posted on Jul, 2 2004 @ 12:03 PM
Ref: Is the Bible "True?" you ask.
In a word, no. At least most of it cannot be taken literally as the MSS now stand. Too many internal "self- contradictions"
And certainly not scientifcally. And not historically either. The texts are hardly morally valid today in the 21st century either.
It certainly does NOT contain what we could call "history in the modern positivistic sense": rather it is a curious mix of Zionist HAGGADIC
MIDRASH, POETRY, LITURGICAL NONSENSE, CLAN-TRADITION, SUPERSTITION, FABLE, MORAL TALES and POLITICAL PROPAGANDA.
Oddly, most people who claim to believe what is written "between the two covers of their Bibles" have never read it very carefully. Let alone
questioned its contents at all.
I suppose we would have to start by asking:
How many people on this thread literally (i.e. REALLY) "believe" that there is any "scientific" truth at all to several of the more outrageous
zionist "Bible stories" that were meant, at the very most, to be moral lessons or plain political propaganda glorifying the socalled Chosen People
(Don't forget WHO wrote the Hebrew Bible, and FOR WHOM....i.e. Israelites, for other Israelites ! And even the New Testament was written entirely by
Jews to prove from Jewish Scriptures that "Iesous" was the "Christos" (and invalid argument for non Jews anyway, since they didn't believe in the
"OT Scriptures" to begin with).
In other words CONSIDER THE SOURCE.
But as to how true much of the material covered actually is: You would have to ask youselves the following questions: and BE HONEST about it:
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE that Joshua commanded the SUN AND THE MOON literally "to stand still" so he could finish a battle "and be avenged on his
enemies" (Joshua chapter 10)?
(for that matter, DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE FROM A PURELY SCIENTIFIC STANDPOINT for the prophet "Isaiah" LITERALLY TO
CAUSE the SUN TO TRAVEL BACKWARDS FOR AHAZ on his SUNDIAL? (see II Kings 20:8-11)
DO YOU LITERALLY BELIEVE THAT EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL SPECIES ON THE PLANET COULD HAVE BEEN PLACED ABOARD THE SOCALLED ARK OF NOACH TWO BY TWO (or SEVEN
BY SEVEN depending on what lines you read)? All the thousands of species of Insects too? Over 100 Billion Birds? Where did he get all the animals NON
NATIVE TO THE AREA OF THE LEBANT e.g. Australian Kangaroos or North American Bison or South American Llamas, none of which are mentioned in the
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE that Real Live Donkeys can "speak" fluent and grammatically acceptable Paleo Hebrew, with or without the Vowels? (The Story of
Balaam's Mule in Numbers 21-22)?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE that the IT IS A TRUE FACT OF SCIENCE THAT THE SUN AND THE STARS were created AFTER VEGETATION (Genesis chapter 1)?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT IS A TRUE FACT THAT THERE IS A SOLID METAL DOME UP THERE IN THE SKY (Heb: "Reqiaq" = "bowl") covering the earth?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ABRAHAM DWELT IN THE LAND OF THE PHILISTINES 500 YEARS BEFORE THERE WERE PHILISTINES (Gensis 21:34)?
DO YOU BELIEVE IT COULD BE EVEN CONCEIVABLE THAT 90 YEAR OLD WOMEN CAN GIVE BIRTH TO SONS?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ELIJAH LITERALLY ASCENDED INTO "HEAVEN" IN A FIREY CHARIOT ? (2 Kings 2:11) If its a literal ascension, where's poor
lost little Elijah floating around now? Perhaps taking some COLOUR pictures of the Rings of Saturn?
What about all the "non Science" in the New Testament?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE MEN LIKE JESUS COULD BE BORN "OF A VIRGIN" WITHOUT SEX THE WAY ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND JULIUS CAESAR WERE ALLEGEDLY BORN?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE SOMEONE CAN TURN WATER INTO WINE LIKE THE GREEK GOD DIONYSIUS ALLEGEDLY DID AT HIS SHRINE IN CANA? Was it red or white wine?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT SOME ONE CAN PHYSCIALLY RISE FROM THE DEAD AND THEN ASCEND INTO HEAVEN? Where's he floating around now? Next to Elijah
with his own camera?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ANYONE (including all you Ethiopian Eunuchs out there) LITERALLY TO BE TELETRANSPORTED TO ANOTHER COUNTRY IN
A FEW SECONDS? (see Acts 8:26-40)
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT MEN WALK ON WATER? THAT BOOMING VOICES FROM RAIN CLOUDS CAN MANAGE TO SPEAK FLUENT FIRST CENTURY ARAMAIC?
I could keep going, but I think I've opened up enough points for now. As for "scientific" knowledge, I could write a book about the pseudo Science
in that "book":
Let's start at the beginning (e.g. Genesis chapter 1). Firmament? I've never seen one of those....oh you mean that blue coloured expanse up there
that looks like it has "water" above it making it blue?
Newsflash: There is no "Firmament" (Heb: Raqiaq = "beaten metal dome") above the (presumably flat) earth. There is no "solid anything"
surrounding the earth. So right there in chapter 1 verse 6 is, well, a lie. Certainly NOT a scientific fact. Despite the fact that Israel's more
sophisticated neighbours like Babylon and Egypt believed it. That's no excuse for them either...
Another Newsflash: there is no BLUE WATER above any "Firmament. "
And Stars and the Sun were not "created AFTER" Vegetation as it states in plain paleoHebew in Genesis. The P writers of Genesis chapter 1 had no way
of knowing that stars are suns, and that vegetational life appears only long-after planets are formed, but that's no excuse for him.
We are NOT dealing with scientific facts in the "Bible" here.
The TWO contradictory Genesis versions of Creation Genesis 1:1 to 2:4a and 2:4b to 4:26) suggests at least two schools of writers are at work here,
both of them not interested in "pure rational scientific knowlege" and the two of them wrote texts that were clearly wholly ignorant or unmindful
of each other, and ignorant of the facts of nature and astronomy, not to mention the true age of the earth.
Another Newsflash: the Earth is not merely 4004 years old, which is the approx age of the earth if you trace back all the Toledoth in Genesis
("generations" of xxxx who lived, begat and died etc.): it is over 4 Billion years old.
The Bible writers were pre-scientific, pseudo historians. So get over it already.
Let any secular writer today write such an unscientific book as "Genesis" or let a modern day "historian" write a book like the book of II Kings
found today in the Jewish Bible--- with so many ommissions, pre-scientific superstitions, internal and external contradictions of the basic facts of
science, geology, biology, morals or anything else for that matter, and the academic world would laugh you out of business.
No contradictions, you say? We can start with Genesis: the order of creation in the two Creation Myths of the book of Genesis is reversed from each
other: compare them for yourselves (Gen 1:1 to 2:4a and 2:4b through 4:26); even the very style of the Hebrew language is different. Certainly not the
same writer with any kind of a single theology or world-view.
Read: Eliot Friedmann's book, Who Wrote the Bible? for a layman's approach to this complicated subject. But get your highliter out!
Some Christians and Jews would say, in looking so closely at the text of the Bible, aren't we opening a Pandora's box here?
And the first thing they say to that, is:
"Then where do we draw the line if we start doing that? The foundation of our religion will collapse if we start tearing that book apart.."
So be it. Would you rather perpetuate the LIES that so many generations have foisted on their children for so many years?
And what about all the questionable "morality" of the clan god of the Bible YHWH, the post exilic god of the Israelites, who seems to have had quite
a taste for Genocide and Extermination Policies, even worse than Adolf Hitler?
"Now go and genocide the sons of Amelek and exterminate all they have, and leave nothing of them alive; but genocide both man and woman, both infant
and suckling babies, oxen and sheep, camels and asses" (1 Sam. 15:3).
Are you SURE you want to worship this bloodthirsty clan god who was a perfect role model for the atrocities in Mein Kampf?
Reflect for a minute exactly what was Samuel's order for Saul originating from YHWH.
Here is what M. J. Gauvin wrote :
"What "God" is telling the Israelites to do, basically is:
To genocide the old man with trembling hands and silvered hair; murder the mother who shields with her body the life of her child; rifle the cradle,
and plunge the glittering sword of death through the frail form of the smiling babe ...and know, ye fiends of ruthless slaughter, ye but fulfil the
command of the Yahweh, whose 'mercy endureth forever' ?"
And you're worried about whether the vomit placed into this god's mouth is TRUE?