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In preparation for this conference I re-read Carl Jung's book, published in 1954, called "Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen In the Sky". And to my mind, no one has really gone beyond Jung. He understood very clearly that saying that something is a denizen of the psychic realm no way precludes it's also having efficacious force in the physical realm through the phenomenon he called synchronicity.
The first thing somebody said to me was "I want you to know that this Jungian thing is bull####."
Okay, that's fine. However, this is like beating a dead horse. Has the news from quantum physics not reached the UFO community? Is it not now thoroughly assimilated that an observer is necessary for reality to exist at all? It's all psychological! There's no distinction. So these people that have such enthusiasm for beryllium ships from Arturus or wherever should be informed, you know - same same! That's important news. And where is it coming from? Let's not rush past this here.
Physics has always been the paradigmatic science. All sciences have physics-envy. Why is that? Because it's not unlikely in a physics experiment to be able to predict an experimental result to three decimal points of accuracy. That's science! You don't get that in sociology, you don't get that in psychology, you don't even get that in biology. And physics is the most mathematical of all the sciences. So around the towering edifice of physics, the more frightened and uncertain of the sciences had gathered near her skirts. So what is physics telling us? It's saying "Folks, hold your horses here. It turns out the cheerful world of billiard ball-like atoms, winging their way through Newtonian space, is in for serious revision. It turns out that these particles aren't even particles - they're waves. Well no, not exactly - they're both. Well what I actually meant to say was..."
And you discover the babble of mad people. Science has collapsed. Its' core has given way to contradiction. The cheerful exploration of matter that begins with the Greeks is destroyed by Werner Heisenberg and all his evil grandchildren, who now show that 1) It's incomprehensible. 2) It's self-contradictory. 3) You can't conceptualize it except in some enormously complicated mathematical phase-space anyway.
So this concern for the materiality of the saucers is a completely anachronistic issue. Carried far enough the analysis of this stage will show you that it has no "reality" to it.
In our next issue I will explore specific UFO hypotheses which integrate psychotronic technologies (electromagnetic field phenomena and consciousness research) with interspecies communications possibilities that utilize these psychophysical mechanisms of manifestation.
Originally posted by annella
Can someone tell me HOW Greer earns his money and from whom he gets his money? And his annual income would be another thing Id love to know. Then we can compare it to the salary he earnt as an Emergency room Doc...be great to see the difference.
So lets hear it from the 'ripoff' believers who obviously have info on his financial standing that most of us are not privy to. Dang it!!
Originally posted by IamAbeliever
Greer is a fraud. The only disclosure I would like to hear come out of his mouth is exactly how much money he has actually suckered people out of.
"...one million dollar "Z Prize" for an energy invention that would dramatically decrease the need for fossil fuels.
The Charlottesville, VA based energy company will provide the $1 million prize to the inventor or inventors who provide a testable prototype of an invention that can serve to either replace current internal combustion energy systems or greatly increase their efficiency. The Z Prize is named after the so-called zero point energy field that many physicists claim is a vast field of energy that can be tapped from the space around an object."
Originally posted by corsair00
If you're offended by his Puja religious views and the meditation, you're very close to indicating to everyone here that you are an atheist and not very different than someone who is racist. I think it is very clear that the people who get all worked up about Greer are hardcore materialistic atheists who are totally offended by the mentioning of "mind over matter" or "spirituality"
Originally posted by HAL9000beta1
Oh, and a little more:
"Steven M. Greer, Emery S. Smith and Deborah Foch have been charged in connection with allegedly operating a commercial venture on a national wildlife refuge."