A message to LGBT people: It gets better.

In this thread I'd just like to share a message that's been going around to all the members in the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transexual and transgendered) community: It gets better. Your life might not be the best right now. You might be struggling with your families and with your schoolmates and your other peers, but it does get better.

Now, I am not a member of this community, but I am a friend of it. Several of my close friends are members, and I had to see them go through a few horrible times because of the way they were treated in school and in society, but it did get better.

It might not even be easy to be a member of ATS as a member of the LGBT community, seeing as some people connect conspiracy theories to very bigoted ideas (I'm not accusing everyone in the community, nor a majority, but there is a fairly vocal part of the conspiracy community that does). So I just wanted to extend a hand of friendship and a message of hope to all my fellow human beings who happen to be born differently.

If you are an LGBT individual who is having some problems in life, send me a PM. I'd love to help out, even if you aren't a person I regularly interact with on the boards, even if you're someone I regularly disagree with. You're still a human being who deserves basic human dignity and basic respect and

And now, a message from the wonderful people at Pixar:

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
If you are an LGBT individual who is having some problems in life, send me a PM. I'd love to help out, even if you aren't a person I regularly interact with on the boards, even if you're someone I regularly disagree with. You're still a human being who deserves basic human dignity and basic respect and

Great message! I would also like to offer any help for anyone who just wants someone to talk with about this issue. Like Madness, I am not part of the community, but I am a friend.

Thanks, Madness, it's a great idea!

Being gay is not Evolutions friend nor religions friend nor philosophys friend and probably not et's friend. . But its okay to be gay . Just dont be flamming about it is all i ask. Dont be afraid to come out of the closet. If your gay just be who you are . . Its 2010 even many of the religions today are okay with the whole gay business. I;ve seen many people in differnt faiths be more open to it these days then before. Being gay is not so taboo.

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I love this message. I'm not LGBT but I feel strongly for their struggle to be acknowledged as people.

Originally posted by seedofchucky
Just dont be flamming about it is all i ask..... If your gay just be who you are . .

What if flaming is who they are? I say flame on! If people are uncomfortable with flaming, then that's their issue.

Here is how I feel about it:

I DONT really give a crap if youre ( meaning human beings at large) hetero, homo, abstinent, like plastic dolls, lgbt.. flaming, non-flaming, whatever. Im not sharing my clothes or make up. get your own. Truly.. I really dont care who you are sleeping with or how. I also dont care to hear about it constantly as well as I dont like to hear hetero BS constantly about exploits. I dont care what you do if its with a consenting *human* adult.

I DO care about who you are inside apart from your sexual preference though it is also part of you. Its NOT all you are. There is much more to you than who youre screwing and how. Youre not special because of your sexuality and its been around forever.. so please, let others know YOU as a human and not judge yourself or allow the only thing you are judged by being solely your sexuality.

I dont agree with homosexuality, you shouldnt be upset about that but you should be considerate as I am with you. I feel its not my place to judge you and thats between you and God. If you dont believe in Him.. no worries, I guess youre off the hook As a human being youll be judged by your character.. and though your sexuality is part of it.. its not the sole defining attribute that people should center on at the expense of the whole YOU.

I might make fun of you if youre a gay friend or family member. You can always make fun of me. I will never walk on eggshells around you. I may not be sympathetic to your plight due to your choices. I might even tell you to stop being so darned nellly if we're out shopping together. Id also get my foot stuck in someone's rear end and possibly arrested if I saw you being bashed or bullied or made to feel sad for no other reason than unfounded hatred or fear.

I'm surprised this thread hasn't received more traffic. Where are the people standing up for are LGBT sisters/brothers?

This is a fairly big community, I'm sure there's a handful of members who are struggling with their sexuality and I want everyone who supports that struggle to come here and show them support. They may not reply to this thread, but at least they'll see it and they will know that there is only one thing that's true about their situation: It gets better.

No matter what you're going through, do not give up or give in, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
I'm surprised this thread hasn't received more traffic. Where are the people standing up for are LGBT sisters/brothers?

This is a fairly big community, I'm sure there's a handful of members who are struggling with their sexuality and I want everyone who supports that struggle to come here and show them support. They may not reply to this thread, but at least they'll see it and they will know that there is only one thing that's true about their situation: It gets better.

No matter what you're going through, do not give up or give in, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Probably afraid of being labeled pro-gay ( is that even a term?? LOL!) and its definitely off limits for certain religious folks to participate in anything that might support homosexuality, but the bashing is okay. Of course you already know this I mean Im honestly very "religious", but Im a weirdo within the religious community. Too doggone tolerant I think!

I spent some time on the phone with a suicide prevention hotline tonight.

Suffice it to say I was weighing the best way to kill myself and was absolutely ready to end it when I stumbled upon a video sorta like the one posted.

I have no family to celebrate the holidays with. I have no money for groceries so there won't be a dinner feast. I'm dealing with more medical issues than a person should so finding a job is proving to be impossible. I've sold almost everything of mine that has value and keep dipping into my meager savings to keep my head above water. I'm sick all the time. I ache from severe arthritis and fibromyalgia. My car is going to be repossessed soon. I can't afford my meds so I'm begging samples off my doctor. He doesn't always have them to spare.

My life just really feels like it isn't worth living.

I urge anyone who is feeling the way I do to take advantage of the free hotlines. I wouldn't be here right now if I had not dialed that number.

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too many wingnut psychos blaming everything on obama, supporting the LGBT community plays right into the socialist communist nazi zionist hand of obammerz

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this is another good one

it gets better- when you're older

Originally posted by Advantage

Probably afraid of being labeled pro-gay ( is that even a term?? LOL!) and its definitely off limits for certain religious folks to participate in anything that might support homosexuality, but the bashing is okay. Of course you already know this

I mean Im honestly very "religious", but Im a weirdo within the religious community. Too doggone tolerant I think!

Tolerance is far from acceptance.

I'm "pro-gay", and especially pro "flaming-gay".

This world needs more variety and fewer children.
(I love kids, but we have enough people on Earth already and the population is still increasing. The more people living a lifestyle which makes few babies the better.)

And, I know being gay is not a choice, - I knew a lovely young guy who killed himself because he couldn't handle being gay and couldn't change, - but even it if was a choice, people should be free to make it, and to love, in every way, whoever is the right (adult) partner for them. This whole business of people even feeling a concern about who a stranger is shagging is disgusting, in my book.

Personally, I'm not straight, gay or bi. I just love whoever I fall in love with.


The only time gayness has pissed me off was during an extended stay in hospital, when I was bored silly, couldn't sleep at night, and all the night-nurses were gorgeous, male and gay.
I'd have slept a lot better if those gay hunks had been less gorgeous.

I personally, am a member of the LGBT community. And being gay is not wrong, nor should anyone view it that way, I feel that our struggle is not unlike the struggle the pilgrims, slaves, and african americans went through. Honestly, it does get better with age, but not much, it only gets better because you learn to ignore all the comments and whispers and sideways glances. And for all the haters out there, who are you to say it's wrong for us to be who we are? You are no better than Hitler, and his hate for Jewish people. You hate, because you simply cannot understand.

Y'know... like with a few things, I never really understood why someone else being gay is supposed to be my problem.
I'm not gay, they are, so what?

Here's the deal...I am SICK of all this gay/lesbo bs. Whatever happened to good ol' morality?

Fact 1. Being a homosexual IS a CHOICE. It has been scientifically proven! Look it up! NO GAY GENE!

Fact 2. Most homosexuals don't want anything to do with God/Christ...don't believe the Bible...so as to have noone to answer to at the end of their lives. Or to just make themselves feel better about what they are doing.

Fact 3. In MOST gay/lesbo relationships, there is a "male/masculine" role and a "female/feminine" role. WHY???
I'll tell you why...that's the way God intended it to be!

You gay folks contradict yourselves with that fact alone. One or the other always has to be the feminine partner and one always has to be the masculine partner. Okay...not ALL of you but MOST.

Let's take God/Christ out of the equation for a moment. Let's say everyone on the planet turns to the gay/lesbo lifestyle. One person already said there were too many children on the planet anyway...If we were ALL gay and were loyal to our partners, then the human race will be extinct in...oh, let's say...125 years from now.
You really think it's ok now?

Okay guys, listen...my first post came off as a little harsh or homophobic and I do appologize to you all for that. I really just don't get it. Being a Christian man, I am supposed to love everyone and I think for the most part I do. If one of you were in a life and death situation, I would give my life to save you. That being said, I can't agree with your lifestyle, I abhor it. I also have to admit that being gay does not make you a bad person. Just seriously confused. I understand that you think that you don't have a choice...but you really do. My sister tried the lesbian lifestyle for a couple of years and I can tell you that she was no more happy in that lifestyle than in a heterosxual lifestyle. She has had some really bad things happen to her when she was very young and she really does still need some councelling because of it. I believe it may have been these things that have steered her toward that life style, maybe looking for some real/true happyness.

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Originally posted by mytquin
Here's the deal...I am SICK of all this gay/lesbo bs. Whatever happened to good ol' morality?

...um....you mean lynching people and bigotry?

Fact 1. Being a homosexual IS a CHOICE. It has been scientifically proven! Look it up! NO GAY GENE!

There is no 'gay gene' but that doesn't mean it's a choice....

And how is it a choice if it's found throughout nature?

Tell me, could you become a homosexual at the drop of a hat? Would you be able to anally penetrate another male? I don't think so.

Fact 2. Most homosexuals don't want anything to do with God/Christ...don't believe the Bible...so as to have noone to answer to at the end of their lives. Or to just make themselves feel better about what they are doing.

The majority of the planet is non-Christian. Therefore most homosexuals are also non-Christian. Of course, homosexuals have also been subject to religious persecution.

There are no statistics to show that homosexuals are less moral than heterosexuals. There are no statistics to show that they have higher incidence of crime.

You think they are doing something wrong.

I'm an atheist, I'm not a homosexual. I don't care about religion because I think humanity and myself are all I need to hold me accountable for that which I do wrong. Homosexuality is not a crime, it is not a choice, it is a state of being.

Fact 3. In MOST gay/lesbo relationships, there is a "male/masculine" role and a "female/feminine" role. WHY???
I'll tell you why...that's the way God intended it to be!

Or it's because gender roles are social constructs...

You gay folks contradict yourselves with that fact alone. One or the other always has to be the feminine partner and one always has to be the masculine partner. Okay...not ALL of you but MOST.

So the exceptions prove the rule? I know quite a few homosexuals, and I see plenty of 'feminine/feminine' couples and 'masculine/masculine' couples.

Your bigoted stereotypes are not what these people need. They are subjected regularly to this sort of excrement.

Let's take God/Christ out of the equation for a moment.

Oh poop, this stupid argument.

Let's say everyone on the planet turns to the gay/lesbo lifestyle.

...nobody is arguing in favor of that and you can't choose to be a gay or a lesbian. You simply are one or you are not.

One person already said there were too many children on the planet anyway...If we were ALL gay and were loyal to our partners, then the human race will be extinct in...oh, let's say...125 years from now.
You really think it's ok now?

Well, yes. Because your example is bigoted stupidity.

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Originally posted by mytquin
Okay guys, listen...my first post came off as a little harsh or homophobic and I do appologize to you all for that.

Well, at least you apologize.

I really just don't get it.

Well, try talking to some patient homosexuals. I'm sure there are a few in your community.

Being a Christian man, I am supposed to love everyone and I think for the most part I do. If one of you were in a life and death situation, I would give my life to save you.

At least you're that reasonable.

That being said, I can't agree with your lifestyle, I abhor it.

1: It's not a lifestyle. Homosexuals come from all walks of life, have different political views, different fields of interests, and come from different parts of the world. There is no 'lifestyle'.
2: What do you abhor?

I also have to admit that being gay does not make you a bad person. Just seriously confused.

The only thing that confuses them is why they're subject to so much hate for who they are.

I understand that you think that you don't have a choice...but you really do.

No, most people don't. There's something called the Kinsey scale. It goes from 0 to 6. 0 is completely heterosexual and 6 is completely homosexual. Very few people actually fall into 0 or 6. The majority are either 1 or 5, with some being 2 and 4 and some being a 3.

If you're a 1 or a 5 it's almost impossible to change.

My sister tried the lesbian lifestyle for a couple of years and I can tell you that she was no more happy in that lifestyle than in a heterosxual lifestyle.

Uh-huh...and what is the 'lifestyle'. Maybe she's a Kinsey 3? Maybe a 2 or a 4? I don't really know.
I do know one person in my life who is a Kinsey 3. She can switch between genders at the drop of a hat, but she's a human rarity.

She has had some really bad things happen to her when she was very young and she really does still need some councelling because of it. I believe it may have been these things that have steered her toward that life style, maybe looking for some real/true happyness.

Or maybe not...you may have changed your tone, but what you're saying is still very ignorant.

You seem like a reasonable and caring individual. I suggest you find a gay-straight alliance and talk to some patient homosexuals to clear up some of your misconceptions.

madnessinmysoul...uh, yeah, it is a choice. I could choose to have sex with another man ...or not. I choose not. It's that simple. I could also choose to put a cigarette in my mouth and smoke it...I choose not. Nobody is placing a gun to my head and forcing me to do these things or to not do them. Therefore it is my choice. Oh and the " you find homosexuality in nature" card (yawn) does not work for me either. Many animals eat each other...would you eat another human? C'mon man...that's the best you've got? You call me a bigot? Well that's typical for a lost (athiest) individual such as yourself to stoop to when you when your faced with the facts I've layed out. And you make up these, again, typical responses to defend homosexualism.

I am curious though...
If you don't believe in God, you must have a very lonely existance. Not having anything to look forward to when you die.

Do you really believe you evolved into what you are today from a primordial mix of bacteria or protiens? That we were just the result of some astronomical accident?

When I say astronomical I'm talking about the odds of it happening at all.
C'mon...you seem much to intelligent to believe THAT fairytale.

Seriously, it would take much more faith for me to believe that we are all an accident than it does for me to believe that I was created by an intelligent being.

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Originally posted by mytquin
madnessinmysoul...uh, yeah, it is a choice. I could choose to have sex with another man ...or not. I choose not. It's that simple.

Ok, but can you choose to be attracted to that man?
I can't choose to be attracted to a man anymore than I can choose to find certain food appetizing (I'm tired and cannot think of examples)

I could also choose to put a cigarette in my mouth and smoke it...I choose not. Nobody is placing a gun to my head and forcing me to do these things or to not do them. Therefore it is my choice.

The action is based on choice, but the desire isn't.
Just like you and I cannot choose to be attracted to a man, a homosexual cannot choose to be attracted to a member of the opposite gender.

Oh and the " you find homosexuality in nature" card (yawn) does not work for me either.

So it doesn't matter that the animal kingdom is full of cases of natural homosexuality?

Many animals eat each other...would you eat another human?

...stupid comment much? I'm saying that homosexuality is natural. Animals can't really choose their desires, unless of course they are conditioned by humans. They simply are or aren't something in nature. Some of them are homosexual.

C'mon man...that's the best you've got?

No, the best I've got involves a string of profanities in a language you don't understand.

You call me a bigot?

Yes, you make broad, sweeping statements about a group of individuals you don't know anything about to justify your own personal prejudices. You are a bigot.

Well that's typical for a lost (athiest) individual such as yourself to stoop to when you when your faced with the facts I've layed out.

...you didn't lay out a single fact. Please, show me some sort of scientific research that supports anything you said.

And yay, I'm lost. I must be with Jesus, since people seem to need to find him.

And you make up these, again, typical responses to defend homosexualism.

...they're not typical, they're truthful. The only reason they're repeated is because they hold weight.

I am curious though...
If you don't believe in God, you must have a very lonely existance. Not having anything to look forward to when you die.

I'm not that lonely. I have my family, friends, countrymen, fellow atheists, fellow Europeans, fellow Americans, fellow humans, fellow mammals, fellow animals, and fellow life forms to keep me company until I die.

As for death...well, I didn't seem to mind the 14 billion years of not existing before I was born, did I?

Do you really believe you evolved into what you are today from a primordial mix of bacteria or protiens?

...gross misunderstanding of evolutionary theory and misapplication of the word 'evolved'.

I didn't evolve from anything. I was born. Species evolve, individuals don't.
I do accept that life started out in a 'primordial soup' and that evolution took effect when life came into existence and that, after billions of years, humanity arose and eventually I was born.

That we were just the result of some astronomical accident?

More or less.

When I say astronomical I'm talking about the odds of it happening at all.

No, they aren't. Here's something crazy, the odds of anything happening at all are astronomical. I made a thread about it using a game of poker as an example of astronomical odds.

C'mon...you seem much to intelligent to believe THAT fairytale.

It's not a fairytale, it's scientific fact. If you'd like to discuss it further, there's a whole forum devoted to that on ATS, this is a thread that attempts to give hope to a people that you are oppressing.

Seriously, it would take much more faith for me to believe that we are all an accident than it does for me to believe that I was created by an intelligent being.

Not really, there's science behind one and nothing behind the other. But again, we should really be discussing that over here.

Just wanted to bump this seeing as it is World AIDS Day and the LGBT community has historically been blighted by HIV/AIDS.

To the LGBT people out there (and everyone else too), play it safe.