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Muslim Demographics

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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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reply to post by Misoir
 


I think that was the most advance thought on ATS that I had ever read..

thank you..




posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 11:19 PM
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reply to post by Misoir
 


I dont think you are being paranoid. We all love our culture and the threat that it may end is concerning, to say the least.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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Well America is about 78% Christian and I do not see Christianity being forced onto you or I. Do you know why? Because Christianity, Judaism, and Humanism are advanced past the stage of Barbarism and totalitarianism while Islam is an ideology of violence, intimidation, and conquest, none of those do I want to have forced upon me.

Look as much as you may hate religion and loath Christianity it does not bother you and is not the equivalent of Islam. Islam is violence, not to say Christianity is a blessing to the world but it is far safer and less violent in principle and in practice than Islam.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 11:29 PM
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Well we have different views on what is being forced on us. I can easily find sources of Christians wanting to make the United States a Christian country. Religion sadly should of been destroyed long ago.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 12:28 AM
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Hah! Primitive?

When Europe was still in the stone ages, Islam revolutionized mathematics.

I'm tired of people like you trying to pass yourself off as not being a racist, not being hateful, etc. It's not working.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 12:44 AM
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I'm sure you can, however you're not going to find those very same Christians blow themselves up in the name of Jesus or beheading you for refusing to convert.

Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc. have grown. They've come to become what they are today. Islam, given the chance could as well. But the problem is, unlike the other religions mentioned, Islam does not accept any outside criticism. They've been around for a long time and still have not changed their ways.

Many Muslims are peaceful people, who want exactly what you and I want. A home to call safe, children to be happy and just an all around peaceful/safe life. But even many of them, sit in silent complacency when the radical Islamists do what they do. Not out of hatred, but simply that many of the peaceful Muslims believe that Islam is the only way. Now of course, not every single one feels that way but I personally know many who do. They'd never raise a hand at us personally but agree that Islam should be the dominant political and religious factor within Europe and the rest of the West.

Look at the rapes that happened in Oslo a couple of years ago. A "rape spree" (something usually unheard of here) happened, a bunch of girls were brutally raped and beaten. People were scared of going out. Then by chance, the perps were caught. They were Somali Muslims. When questioned, they just said, "Raping Norwegian women are like raping dogs, they mean nothing."

Plenty of Imams have said (and went under fire because of it) that they demand that Norway become Muslim, either by choice or other.

They demand that the government fund an "Imam" school.

Two of the biggest gangs in Oslo which has the police running scared are of non-western decent (i.e. Islamic) background.

Norway never had these problems before, until they opened their doors to mass immigration in 1987.

I personally don't mind immigrants. My ex wife was one and my child with her is of course mixed. I do personally have everything against mass immigration.

As Misonir said, only one culture can exist in a country. Mass immigration serves no other purpose but to destroy the host country from within. I see it every day. More and more ethnic Norwegian shops that sold ethnic Norwegian food have been replaced with Kebab shops. (I like kebabs, but c'mon!) You can't go out on the town anymore over the weekend because roving gangs of immigrants (usually Islamic) run a crime ring around here. Stabbing and beatings are becoming the daily norm. 90% of these are due to non-Norwegians.

Norway is losing it's culture. Just stating that fact will get many people to raise an eyebrow and instantly think "Racist!". And like I have said over a million times, the truth cannot be sugar coated to suit your politically correct views. And we all know that the truth can hurt.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 05:06 AM
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No the mathematics are given from Greece or much elder cultures, the totally new invention was to use the own symbols.
That was the only way that the people accept mathematics as God given gift.

The Brightest People "escape" from the Religious sedative to the west.. and we must watch out that we don't become stupefied now. That's all..

I know I am a Nazi and I am such a shameful Racist.. but let's change the topic.
You know Sweden?






Call me a Nazi a Racist.. its o.k ... Maybe you have right with more ehmm.."Respect"..and and "understanding" they would not refuse any more education and maybe we have luck they find a Job and pay taxes.. ...



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posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by Sahabi
a sign of the endtimes would be that the Muslims would be vast and great in number encompassing the world, .

That's because of the muslim preoccupation with sex (look at their afterlife); with having multiple wives and tons of kids; and the call to 'outbreed the enemy'. see this thread about outbreeding the enemy.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
One of the fake videos I have ever seen.



Images speak louder then words. We just need to find truth from facts.


I watched a youtube video mentioned in the picture, about an hour ago. It does not have 20000000+ (twenty million) views, it has 12,506,622 views. So, is youtube lying or are you exaggerating?



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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The video of the blonde haired, blue eye Swede shows the changes within that culture. Genetics influence everything about who we are. Our appearance, talents , our health and even our identities. Maybe for this reason, the topic often provokes strong emotions and opinions.

Some feel they are being racial when they speak of these things but they are not. RACE is a traditional social method of identifying people from various regions based primarily on their appearance and various physical characteristics.

Take the Sicilian’s for example. Many females had black hair and brown eyes, unlike the Northern Europeans who were blonde and blue eyed. Today Sicily still has more blue eyed blondes than in ancient history.

It’s too soon for Sociologists to determine the effects of this recent (migration, colonization and amalgamation). I think most of us wonder if this is Colonization or Colonialism. A huge difference with different outcomes.


Colonization (or colonisation) occurs whenever any one or more species populate an area. The term, which is derived from the Latin colere, "to inhabit, cultivate, frequent, practice, tend, guard, respect,"[1] originally related to humans.
of colonialism, because whereas colonization refers of settler colonies, trading posts, and plantations,



Colonialism deals with this and the ruling of new territories' existing peoples.



Amalgamation is the term for the interbreeding of people of different ethnicities and "races" en.wikipedia.org...


This happened many times throughout history but not the sheer volumes we’re talking about now. In the 13th century a mass exodus of Siculo-Arabs, that had lived in Sicily for generations and knew no other country, would have seen the migration of about a half million people. Eventually, most Arabs and Jews in Sicily were Christianized. We see the opposite occurring now. I’m not sure if Muslimized is a proper word.

Today I believe white Caucasian's are the minority in the United States. No one would have thought it was possible 50 years ago. Now we all live in a multi-cultural society and a black President. We are witnessing a sociological migration that will truly change the way we view the future.

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posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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The video has been uploaded by many different people.
The quote still stands.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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I'm just wondering if the future projections of the muslim population are accurate. They may be a little high, as so many muslims die at a young age while trying to murder women and children.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by astrogolf
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I'm just wondering if the future projections of the muslim population are accurate. They may be a little high, as so many muslims die at a young age while trying to murder women and children.


I'm hoping the projections are wrong. The numbers may be off a bit but the same outcome will happen I think. There arent that many young radical Muslims blowing up each day. I dont count them.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by Sahabi



"It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience." [Prophet Muhammad]




"There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way." [Qur'an Suratul Baqarah 2:256]




"Say: O you Infidels [disbelievers]! I worship not what you worship. Nor do you worship that which I worship. And I will not worship what you worship. Nor will you worship what I worship. To you be your way [religion], and to me be mine." [Qur'an Suratul Kafiroon 109:1-6]


Please quote and use these Islamic evidences as your tools to combat the ignorant Muslims that seek to convert by force and impose Shariah Law in your non-Islamic country.


Ok but how about these quotes

"Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite."

That comes from Maktba Dar-us-Salam's publication of Sahih Al-Bukhari, the translation of the Hadith by Bukhari.

Or how about

Qur'an 58:46 "Obey Allah and His Messenger; and do not dispute!"

That one says you must obey Mohammed

I've read both the Hadith and the Qu-ran and Mohammeds early comments are peaceful his later stuff is violent and make sit clear good muslims kill and enslave non muslims. And since later "revolations" from Mohammed over write the earlier ones that means they are the ones muslims should and do follow.


Qur'an 4:97 "Verily, when angels take the souls of those who die wronging themselves (by staying home), they say: 'In what (plight or engagement) were you.' They reply: 'Weak on the earth.' They say: 'Was not the earth spacious enough for you to move.' Such men will find their abode in Hell, an evil resort!"


of course Mohammed was "provided" with the following littles gems of wisdom which have been a thorn in the side of all non-muslims since.



Qur'an 8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words, 'Wipe the disbelieving infidels out to the last."

Qur'an 8:39 "So fight them until all opposition to Islam ends and all are obedient to Allah."

Ishaq:618 "Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them. Lie in wait for them, ambush them, overwhelm them. I have ordered you to kill them."

Tabari VIII:141 "The battle cry of Muhammad’s Companions was, 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'"

Bukhari:V4B52N196 "Allah’s Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight people until they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."'"

Muslim:C9B1N29 "When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates Umar said: 'Why would you fight against these people? Bakr replied: 'I would definitely fight against anyone who stopped paying the Zakat, for it is an obligation. I would fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withheld it now.' Umar remarked: 'Allah had opened the heart of Bakr for understanding the justification of fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat.'"

Muslim:C9B1N30 "The Messenger said: 'I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.'"

Muslim:C9B1N33 "The Prophet said: 'I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'"

Muslim:C20B1N4597 "The Prophet (may peace be upon him) said at the conquest of Mecca: 'There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.'"


The Qu-ran makes it very clear that killing those who don't want to convert is the only way to get into heaven, otherwise your a bad muslim and goto hell.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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I see that Muslims uneducated in the religion are making more problems by the day. I'll get to work on presenting a good thread to hopefully shut some of them up. But for now:

The Qur'an was not revealed in full at one single moment, nor in the chronological order we see it written today. Each individual verse was revealed separately throughout the span of 22 years. Each verse was revealed at specific moments to address specific issues. All of the Jiahd and killing infidel verses were revealed during battles, and only related to the openly hostile enemies at that time.

Don't believe me about Muhammad and true Islamic Peace with non-believers? Simply research the Islamic Army, and the Islamic Nation while Muhammad was alive. Muhammad and the Muslims only went to war with people that were openly hostile to them, or were the military / political allies of those hostile enemies. Muhammad and the Muslims NEVER attacked any peaceful people. In fact, Muhammad had numerous treaties with non-Muslims.

There is a whole branch of Islamic Study called "Tafsir." Tafsir answers the "who, what, when, where, and why" about each specific verse, putting it all in proper context. Ignorant / Extremist Muslims fail to study Tafsir and just quote out of context to fit their hate, anger, and political ideologies. Anti-Islamists do the same. There is no Extremist Muslim versus a Moderate Muslim. There are only Educated Muslims versus Ignorant Muslims.

For a bit more in-depth understanding, please check out my replies in these 2 threads:

True Islamic Jihad and It's Beauty
To the Ignorant Masses Stop Defending Islam
Tafsir



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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To be honest I dont understand your Holy book. We have the old and new Testament that clears up violent conflicts. Why do some kill in the name of Allah? God is good, never evil and doesn’t condone killing. We both have the same God. There are not 2 Gods or one right and one wrong. Just different interpretations from the sons of Abraham..It is Satan who keeps us fighting. Satan affects all of us not just the United States. He has no borders.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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Wrong! totally wrong, I admin the most of the Video's are made from Racists its important to show this grimace too.. And you show everyone can identify them and you understand this uncensored message? See, you think you know from where I come from and who I'm but even if you know, you will never know how I feel or how I think!

I have a friend from Iran, he lives since 4 Years in Europe. He fears.. the same people as I.. and I talk about "fear" not about hate. I ask you something.

1."Every Western (Caucasian) Guy is literally spoken Good, Educated and not violent" Right or Wrong?

2."Every Middle East (or Muslim) Guy is literally spoken Good, Educated and not violent" Right or Wrong?

Logic:

It would be good Idea to let the Western Guy in your Country without an proof for presumption 1?
So why I must think about the Guy from Middle East different. Why you blame me for presumption 2?

You are a Part of an disinformation campaign?



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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How else would a video like this become so popular? Fear! I guarantee you many of you would play different cards on what they believe and who they do and don't support. Still the outcome is fear through the unknowing of what is true.



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 07:50 PM
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Actually Mohammed had lots of treaties but was usually the one to break them. I do know that it was "delivered" over 22 years and I do know it's not in the order it was recieved. It's why you must study the Hadith to get the full use of the qur'an otherwise you won't know the context of the message. If yyou read the stories you'll see that Mohammed is like our modern politicians when ever the treasury ran low on funds he just picked some random tribe, found an excuse to go after them and then slaughtered them. In 73 of his first 75 raids the qur'an clearly states that Mohammed was the aggressor.


Ishaq:288 "Allah divided the booty stolen from the first caravan after he made spoils permissible. He gave four-fifths to those He had allowed to take it and one-fifth to His Apostle."
Ishaq:289 "Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, 'This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey."



Tabari VII:29 "Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah’s Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty."



Qur'an 8:7 "Behold! Allah promised you that one of the two parties would be yours. You wished for the unarmed one, but Allah willed to justify His truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the unbelievers."



Ishaq:294 "The Apostle was afraid the Ansar would not feel obliged to help him fight without the enemy being the aggressor and attacking in Medina."



posted on Nov, 18 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by thewarehouse

1."Every Western (Caucasian) Guy is literally spoken Good, Educated and not violent" Right or Wrong?

2."Every Middle East (or Muslim) Guy is literally spoken Good, Educated and not violent" Right or Wrong?

Logic:

It would be good Idea to let the Western Guy in your Country without an proof for presumption 1?
So why I must think about the Guy from Middle East different. Why you blame me for presumption 2?

You are a Part of an disinformation campaign?


I'll give you a answer to your question.

Neither 1 or 2 is true. The answer is which is more likely to be true? If two men wander into a market which is more likely to be there kill others in the name of there god? Which is more likely to be a suicide bomber? Is it the Western guy talking about the word of god or is the Muslim yelling Allah Akbar? Statistically Muslims 17-34 are more likely to be suicide bombers than any other age group or religious group. It's a problem that effects westerners. Unfortunately it's a problem that has to be solved by Muslims, they need to come up with the solution internally to the fact that they are radicalized. Most muslims won't even speak out against terrorism because more than 50% of the ones polled in England believed suicide bombing was a good thing. Unfortunately Muslims who are peaceful are the minority.



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