By Kilgore trout in response to Orangetom
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Very few women or females I have ever known are interested in a man who is not at some point in control of themselves. For if he is not in control of
himself how can he do anything other than be a liability to them and their children. Life requires discipline...for a woman to have a man who has
discipline...or another word for it is gonads...a pair hanging...means she has options. Her RISKS are now lower..her options greater.,,for herself and
children or future children. This is also called in a male.."Potential." The "P" word.
What both you and Edrick do not show in your posts is Potential.
Are you a woman? Or perhaps, Bobby Brown?
You are not qualified to make any of those judgements!
That may be what the women you have known may like in a man, something they can work with, you know, 'You', but not every woman is going to go for
'You', just as, you have clearly stated, you're are not interested in all women. Kind of stands to reason, really, doesn't it? As a woman, and
from a purely personal perspective, I wouldn't want to speak for all women, that The Quiet Storm is intriguing and potentially quite adorable, at a
pinch judgement based purely on his posts, similarly, Mr Edrick there, if I wasn't a confirmed Spinster, I'd be feeling myself coming on a little
Elizabeth Bennett I am afraid. I daren't even reply to his posts for fear that I say something unbefitting a lady and completely offend his
In short, I can see absolutely no reason why those two gentlemen are bereft of female attention and you are not. If it was my choice, I know whose
company I would choose, but then I doubt any of the women that you spend time with would like me either. I may not be Piece, but, I certainly am not
Peace either, you can therefore, be assured that you wouldn't like me either. See? To each their own, rather than, your way or the highway.
Bear with me here as I have no idea who or what is Bobby Brown also this Elizabeth Bennet.
As to what women I have known may like in a man...I don't worry about it but so much. I know what I like and appreciate in a woman. I will not try
out for their approval but so much. I simply do not have much interest in changing the settings and beliefs on my dial for theirs..along with all the
RISKS on my part to so do. At least without something truly valuable in exchange from them. And it is not beauty and sex/sexuality of which I talk.
I agree..not every woman is going to go for me. No problem here with that concept. It is not a point over which I am want to lose sleep.
As to offending Edricks sensibilities or TQS..I wouldn't worry about it but so much. If they cannot withstand what is happening on these boards I can
assure you they will never make it in the world of men nor women.
I can also assure you that they are not nice guys. They are not even good bad guys. And both are over rated.
In short, I can see absolutely no reason why those two gentlemen are bereft of female attention and you are not.
I'll tell you a little something here about a well rounded man nor woman both. They are ok with a partner or without a partner. They will not melt
into the background clutter in disarray if they don't have a partner. They are comfortable with themselves either way. They don't spent inordinate
amounts of time on on the phone or text messages trying to be a player or looking for confirmation of who and what they are. They don't spend alot
of time calling their mothers or others et al.
With women when I detect that they spend alot of time calling mom with their problems...I often conclude that they have problems for which they don't
want to take responsibility. It is worse to me with a male.
Getting women to come over here is not difficult for me Kilgore Trout. Getting women to come here and bring me Peace is difficult. Piece is not. It is
I am not here Kilgore Trout to be a nice guy..nor a bad guy. I am also not here to change the settings on my dial for someone else's without
something of value to me in exchange.
I will illustrate you something about a Nice Guy and how this works for a male who knows as I have posted this before in the Relationships section.
My friend finally learned what it is to be a nice guy and what was wrong with the template ...it was he himself..who was wrong and or imperceptive
about many things to do with women/females. He learned that he spent to much time trying out for their approval. As I have stated..as if trying out
for the baseball team...Try outs.
When His wife passed away..and he came back on the marketplace...he dated numerous women. Most of them with children.
While visiting him one weekend we did some "Guy Talk." and compared notes so to speak. What he told me was very profound and in line with what I was
learning but expressing in different words.
He stated that he finally figured out what it was which was so stamped out in so many of the women he dated or was dating.
They were coming over to his house and looking at what they could get for themselves and their children. They were not looking at what they needed to
bring to him of real value. They assumed that beauty and sex values were real value to him. That they should be all he needed. They were stereotyping
and thinking that if they played their cards correctly he would buy the package and they would be off to the races in consumption rates for themselves
and their children. It was not difficult for him to see that in the process they would be putting him in last place while taking first place with his
RISKS. After all..he would be getting their body once in awhile..what more could a man possible want and expect from a woman/female??? You know..the
"Best years of their lives!!"
They were incorrectly assuming that their pet beliefs and stereotypes were all that there was and so too their default settings. There is no other
belief system out here with which they should be aware.
They were not asking what kind of RISKS he takes for his monies/living. They were assuming that the settings and beliefs on their radio dials is all
that there is out here. They were also not perceptive sufficient to ask what was missing from his life. They incorrectly assumed it was sex and access
to sex and beauty.
In other words they were willing to give the "appearance of value, the appearance of commitment" to him in exchange for his goods and services in
lieu of what was really valuable to him. Subtly exchange his beliefs with theirs under the cover of beauty and sex.
It did not work. When he explained it to some of them..they were outraged and some dumbfounded that a man could even ask or propose such an concept.
That a woman should have to work think and operate outside standard female default settings.
That somehow they were cheated...they gave him something of extreme value in the marketplace..they RISKED so much and he had cheated them. Therefore
outrage and insult was now justified. He owed them much more.
He did not give them sex and beauty ..only they did this.
This Kilgore Trout is what happens to Nice Guys who don't catch on or educate themselves outside of the classroom. You will never see such an
explanation outside of Victim programs/programming so popular today.
Fortunately for my friend he finally caught on after three failures. He finally got the pattern down.
He learned about Peace verses Piece.
More men should know this and not be nice guys...nor should they be bad guys.
They need to be men and expect more from women than the standard default settings so popular today.
Kilgore Trout. I can enjoy the company of women or leave them behind. No problem by me either way. I am comfortable and at Peace.
I hope you can understand now the concept of Peace verses Piece. To many not so nice guys settle for Piece when they could have Peace in their lives
with or without children. Now if one did this to a woman ...they would scream "Victim" and be using the term Door Mat. But it was ok with the women
if they did this to my friend under the cover of Marriage..because no one would see what was really happening..except the most perceptive women..and
they wouldn't talk..except among themselves.
Hope this helps about what is wrong with the nice guy default setting. The bad guy setting as well.