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The reason we haven't been back to the Moon is purely political.
The technology to converting moon dust to oxygen
Well how did we get all those the rocks to experiment with?
Originally posted by Zesko Whirligan
The answer is YES, the odd radio traffic would have been monitored long ago, IF it was there in the first place.
Originally posted by fieryjaguarpaw
NASA isn't conserned with making a profit.
The Naval Research Laboratory is not affiliated in any way with any organization selling lunar property or acreage on the moon. NRL has no involvement, either officially or unofficially, in providing "after-sales service" for the purchase of lunar property from the Lunar Embassy, its franchisees, or any similar organizations. Disputes arising from the purchase of lunar property from such organizations must be resolved with the seller directly.
Originally posted by SarK0Y
are you joking, i hope? what do you call "dust" & how could you transform it to O2?
where is the least evidence that rocks were delivered from the Moon?
ABSTRACT A method and apparatus are provided for delivering lunar generated fluid to Earth orbit from lunar orbit. Transport takes place in an external tank of a shuttle which has been suitably outfitted in Earth orbit for reusable travel between Earth orbit and a lunar orbit. The outfitting of the external tank includes the adding of an engine, an electrical system, a communication system, a guidance system, an aerobraking device, and a plurality of interconnected fluid storage tanks to the hydrogen and oxygen tanks of the external tank. The external tank is then propelled to lunar orbit the first time using Earth based propellant. In lunar orbit, the storage tanks are filled with the lunar generated fluid with the remainder tank volumes filled with lunar generated liquid oxygen and hydrogen which serve as propellants for returning the tank to Earth orbit where the fluid is off-loaded. The remaining lunar generated oxygen and hydrogen is then sufficient to return the external tank to lunar orbit so that a subsequent cycle of fluid delivery is repeated. A space station in a higher Earth orbit is preferably used to outfit the external tank, and a lunar node in lunar orbit is used to store and transfer the fluid and liquid oxygen and hydrogen to the external tank. The lunar generated fluid is preferably 3He.
Your comment on 'liquifying' minerals on the moon is 'right on time'. Our group, presently, is engaged in deep discussion as to modifying the minerals to be harvested, and liquifying (H3, for example) is/has been the subject of much heated discussion. Actually, I suggested (to our group) not so much 'liquifying' ...but 'changing the state' . If you look at some of my patents...you'll note that in these I teach 'change of state' (from liquid to a gas, for example) to accomplish some desired result: Entropy vs Enthalpy, for example. The discussions continue as of this writing, with all suggestions being considered by our group (and others) prior to making recommendations to those within and outside our group.
On the mining-thing. I can only state that in the broadest of senses mining operations have taken place on the lunar surface and are presently being conducted on Mars (and continue on a micro-scale, on the Moon). Although the use of terminology, 'mining' has been downplayed (by NASA) and there exists an 'internal memo'
Use of terminology, e.g., 'mining', could be considered (by some countries) to constitute a violation of the International Space Treaty. Thus, NASA is real-careful about use of terminology that could be considered a breach of 'Policy and Protocol'. I can give you this stuff as it's 'public information'. You have to look between the spaces/lines for more info and draw your own conclusions.
The Northern Centre for Advanced Technologies Inc. (NORCAT), in partnership with Electric Vehicle Controllers Ltd. (EVC), is presently engaged in the development and adaptation of existing mining technologies and methodologies for use extra-terrestrially as precursor and enabling technologies for ISRU and for use as ISSE in support of longer term missions.
More specifically, NORCAT, in collaboration with Colorado School of Mines, has developed, constructed, and tested a bucket wheel excavator. The unit is based upon the design developed by CSM’s Mike Duke and Tim Muff.
Originally posted by zorgon
All you need is a solar furnace to smelt this 'dust' to extract the iron, titanium and thorium ( a nuclear fuel). Also you can make glass for fiberglass using this same method. As you heat the oxides you release the oxygen in the material. Collect that and you get oxygen, which you can combine with the free hydrogen on the moon to make water or rocket fuel
Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts But I also believe there are some big plans for the moon on a lot of drawing boards right now.......
Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
But I would love to know what ever became of our nuclear weapons that we had in orbit. Maybe that has something to do with the classified re-entry weight of some of your shuttles? Hint hint....
"dust" would be lunar regolith. Its all over the surface. It consist of iron oxide, silicon oxide, titanium oxide and thorium oxide. The HE3 is also embedded in the first few meters of this 'dust'
All you need is a solar furnace to smelt this 'dust' to extract the iron,
he minerals being brought home from the mining operation are not rocks... but liquid form of HE3. The rest, as the report says are used in situ
At an intensity of 1366 watts/m2