Theory: Obama won't return from Asia trip alive

Obama took off in AF1 about two hours ago bound for India and Southeast Asia for the next 10 days. For the past week I've been jotting down reasons why it makes tactical sense for Obama to either have himself assassinated or for the Left to assassinate him on this trip. I of course have no idea how or if this will occur, just that the strategic gains to be made from this are too broad to ignore.

Why India/Southeast Asia

1) An assassination conspiracy would be more difficult to execute on American soil (much more CCTV than India), and the aftermath would be messier politically here at home. Americans would not be torn blaming each other if this happened on foreign soil and a new administration wouldn't want to govern under a cloud of suspicion.

2) India is the largest democracy in the world (~1.1B people). Though officially Socialist, it has been moving to the Right the past 20 years and embracing more free-market capitalist solutions - an unfortunate tragedy for Socialists and Communists the world over. Right-wing Indians would be blamed and the Left would benefit from those suspicions.

3) Indian-Americans are overwhelmingly Republican (they or their parents lived under Socialism in India). Republican Nikki Haley just became the first female Governor of South Carolina and the second Indian-American Governor after Republican Jindal of Louisiana. The Left perceives everyone but themselves to be racist, so they anticipate Right-wing backlash against Indian-Americans, in turn steering some of them to the Left.

Why Now?

1) Obama's presidency is at (or past) a tipping point. There is no greater affront to his agenda and to that of the Communists than the Tea Party and a renewed pride in our founding principles. He is wildly unpopular at home as evidenced by a crushing election defeat for the Left on Tuesday. Florida and Ohio, two VITAL states for electoral votes, have turned completely red. This alone spells disaster for a 2012 run. The redistricting that will occur as a result of the census is firmly in the hands of dark red state legislatures, making 2012 even more difficult. Obama could even conceivably face a primary challenge to his presidency, which could potentially make him a lame duck President for ALL of 2012 - far too embarrassing to even face the possibility. The sooner the air is taken out of the Conservative revolution, the better. An assassination/plane crash* would immediately shift domestic and international focus from the elections to his death and how much he achieved in two years and the greatness he was surely destined for had he survived his first term. This would generate sympathy for the Left, something they are in negative supply of.

2) Senate Minority Leader McConnel has said the single most important thing Republicans need to do is get rid of Obama in 2012 and elect a Republican. Lamar Smith of the House Judiciary Committee is promising a 'number of investigations and oversight committee actions'. The DoJ/New Black Panther Party story (among several others) is already embarrassing and if it is found that Obama, a supposed post-partisan/post-racial leader, ordered Eric Holder to cease prosecuting cases against white victims/black defendants, he would be shamed for the rest of his life.

Bonus Round

1) President Biden/VP Pelosi: The L.A. Times did a story yesterday about how Pelosi is underappreciated for all she did with the financial crisis and Obamacare. This could be Obama's parting gift to her - the first female Vice President. To make Obama a more sympathetic figure, Biden could then push for no new taxes in 2011...because it's what Obama would have wanted.

2) The presidency would be wide open in 2012, side-stepping a potentially embarrassing Democrat primary. Hillary has a clear path to the presidency. However, seeing as how Obama and Hillary aren't exactly chummy, Biden could step aside and give the first female presidency to Pelosi just to piss in Hillary's face.

* a couple of planes have gone down in Southeast Asia the past couple of days, which makes me think that those plans are being hacked from the ground to crash - as test runs. The same could happen to AF1.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter. If this doesn't happen in India, I'm giving myself the benefit of the doubt and saying it will happen at some point on this 10 day trip. Time will tell.

O K . Can you tell me why people keep thinking If the President dies or is killed, everyone in the line of succession moves up by one knotch?

Only the vice-president will assume any higher office and If he wishes, which he normally would, he can appoint a new vice -president.

I can't figure out just why Obama would be so willing to die for some political agenda.

That by it's self don't make no sense.

I think you've got it backwards. He went there to survive - in style and in a palace - while something big goes down here. He'll be on the other side of the world surviving and thriving while we deal with a natural or man made mega-disaster.

Originally posted by hdutton
O K . Can you tell me why people keep thinking If the President dies or is killed, everyone in the line of succession moves up by one knotch?

Biden would certainly move up, and in the interim of appointing a new VP, Pelosi would certainly be VP, letting Hoyer be elected for a special two-month term as Speaker, making it unnecessary for Pelosi to return to the House.

Originally posted by hdutton
I can't figure out just why Obama would be so willing to die for some political agenda.

That by it's self don't make no sense.

There is an element of dying for a political agenda which I think he's capable of, but the root motivation in my view would be simple pride. He WILL be a pinball of shame for the next two years, and neither he nor the Left wants that.

reply to post by obamuh
I don't know about an assassination attempt,but something smells ominous about this whole trip

"For the past week I've been jotting down reasons why it makes tactical sense"

And for the past 36 hours I've been jotting down reasons why it might be time to change the 20 post minimum to start new threads, to 200.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I think you've got it backwards. He went there to survive - in style and in a palace - while something big goes down here. He'll be on the other side of the world surviving and thriving while we deal with a natural or man made mega-disaster.

This reminds me of something else which I completely forgot to include. Something big could go down here in the confusion of his assassination. I have even considered a nuclear holocaust on American soil in the next two weeks.

Originally posted by TWILITE22
I don't know about an assassination attempt,but something smells ominous about this whole trip

Indeed. I've also considered the stories about this trip costing $200M per day, 34 warships, 40 planes, etc. The administration is denying these stories and I tend to agree that they are almost too absurd to pass the smell test. But what if those stories were aimed at conservative news outlets only to discredit them days before reporting on Obama's assassination, to give the Leftist outlets a more credible narrative on the events.

I am not an Obama fan but I pray that you are wrong. I agree something seems off about this trip but everything seems off lately.

mabye thats just a clone they have sent over there

and the other ones in hiding so they can prettend he has come back to life

just think about it obama has ment to have acting strange for the last couple of

weeks i am just saying maybe its because hes a clone _javascript:icon('')

One thing that folks here can rely on for certain, is that when there is some sort of specific prediction made on these forums, it is a sure bet that such will not become an actual occurrence. ATS seems to have a lot of fortune tellers and prophets who just never seem to get it right. Out of hundreds of predictions here every year, you would assume that at LEAST ONE of them would have come true. In addition, when some significant event far from ordinary does occur, a prediction can never be found.

Therefore my reasons for disregarding the "predictions" that I read on these forums.

Originally posted by hdutton
O K . Can you tell me why people keep thinking If the President dies or is killed, everyone in the line of succession moves up by one knotch?

Only the vice-president will assume any higher office and If he wishes, which he normally would, he can appoint a new vice -president.

I can't figure out just why Obama would be so willing to die for some political agenda.

That by it's self don't make no sense.

It would make sense because the US has been gradually insisting on India's compliance and assistance with the war, but India is wary of getting involved in a war in another part of the globe as it already has a civil war raging on, constant threat of hostility from Pakistan, as well as China. So for years they have avoided getting involved. But that proves unsatisfactory to the US needs and wants. Pakistan is very close to cutting ties with Washington, and the US is doing everything it can by throwing billions of dollars and selling high tech weaponry solely to Pakistan in the hopes that Pakistan will remain the US's dog. So far this has been working for the US, but even Pakistan has stated its intention to play its own role in the war and that it has its own interests which aren't shared with the US's. So when you have an ally playing in the shadows, you'll want assurance that that ally is only playing with itself. When it comes to Pakistan, there is no assurance, and in fact, there is more evidence to the contrary. In the case that this ally turns on the US, a major loss of influence in that region takes place. That's where India comes in. India is the older brother of Pakistan, and both have major issues with one another. India is also quite jealous of Pakistan, and for good reason too. Pakistan is unstable, yet they get more gifts from the US than any other country. India has a quite solid history with the US and has been good trading partners with the states for some time. Why should not India get such gifts as these, especially when the threat is coming more from Pakistan than India, if from India at all? Well its because they won't join the war effort. They won't send troops other than personal guards at the embassies, and they aren't allowing US Military cargo to pass through unless its staying in New Delhi. Basically they don't want to spend money for a war that isn't theirs, which is understandable, especially as India is starting to have some power of influence in the world now and would not have been the case if they had such a fast growing economy. They want to get to the top too. A war won't help that. What the US has to do then, in order to get India to fight alongside and be the reassurance if Pakistan fails, is instigate immediate persuasion upon India. I think, that if you were to have a President killed in a foreign country, that country will try to repay the loss in various ways, or be forced to pay in only one way. In order to get them to repay, which is the method you would rather take when you want something from them, you don't point the finger at India at all, you point the finger at the India's immature younger brother, Pakistan. Then India gets upset, it has to, becuase it would mean that Pakistan had infringed upon Indian sovereignty, attacked an ally of India, and tried to instigate war between the allies on Indian soil, and the list of accusations go on and on. From all my talks with Indians during my stay in India, i can tell you that many of them would support attacking Pakistan, if not at least joining America in whatever the hell it wants to do, because the majority of Indians hate Pakistan and love America already. There is more love for Obama in India than there is in the US. Everyone is skeptical when it comes to Pakistan. So with the death of Obama in India, you get India's military and money on your side and a natural enemy to the enemy that is Pakistan. Cause if India does not subscribe to the US in the event of something like this, the US could simply return all the jobs that are in India back to the US, crippling the Indian economy, it could lose support for a seat at the UN Security Council, and sour relations with European nations which India's growth relies heavily upon.

reply to post by obamuh

Biden would certainly move up, and in the interim of appointing a new VP, Pelosi would certainly be VP, letting Hoyer be elected for a special two-month term as Speaker, making it unnecessary for Pelosi to return to the House.

Pelosi is no longer the Speaker of the House!!! She isn't even on the list anymore.

He had to go over there because new E.T. not avarage aliens are here to discuss the current Earth standards. He has taken his team of back up to boast the power of the american military to the E.T. in order to show them our strength. They just wanna talk but he wants to be secure in showing how very powerful Earth can get. To go further I think they took some unknown high power weaponary with them that most no nothing of.

ok my 3 cents

Originally posted by tooo many pills
Pelosi is no longer the Speaker of the House!!! She isn't even on the list anymore.

She will be Speaker for two more months. The new Congress will be seated in January.

reply to post by obamuh


Here is my thoughts. Nothing unusual will happen in India, HOWEVER, nothing odd will happen hear in the states. Then all the people who said something was going to happen will ignore the "I told you so's" and start making the next predictions.

reply to post by amc621


I think you are right, but many posting here and there sense somthing MAJOR and this is something that pulls their our attention. So the I told you so are good for they show nothing happened. Still something is in the air.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Yes, something is in the air. Lots of dust from the leaves falling. The hoiliday season is coming. Nothing unusual now from any other November.

reply to post by obamuh


So, it must be Pelosi's plan to take out Obama while she is still technically the Speaker of the House. When Congress reconvenes she will drop out of the top 10-20 places in line to the throne of America. She will never get that power back. Watch Pelosi! Is Biden vacationing with Obama's Asia entourage?

There aren't many people on this side of the world who are willing to give up their lives for some political agenda, unless of course the person is one of those fanatical, brainwashed Muslims. Obama would have to be coerced under the threat of something happening to his family, as most men would. As far as his being assasinated goes, this trip to India would be the ideal time and place to take him out, and because of the mass protests I'm sure will be taking place, even with the high security it would be relatively simple to accomplish, especially in a country that's always sitting on the edge of political turmoil, and assasination is almost an art. I've never liked Obama, but I still would not want to see him killed. It isn't so much him the country should be concerned about. It's those hidden in the shadows who choose men like Obama and G.W. Bush as leaders of the U.S.A.. Men such as those two have such high degrees of self importance they are blind to the fact they are being manipulated, and are actually no more than pawns on the political chessboard of the New World Order.

well, well, well:

Security Alert

A policeman guarding Mr Obama's Mumbai hotel set off a major security alert after accidentally shooting himself in the leg last night. The gunshot sparked chaos as Secret Service agents rushed to protect the U.S. president. An alert was sounded as Mr Obama, his wife and daughters were preparing for a private dinner inside the hotel. The injured officer, Suhas Chowdhury, 49 - a 20-year veteran of the Mumbai police - had been guarding the perimeter of the hotel when his gun went off at the end of his shift. Speaking from his hospital bed, he said: 'I was changing my uniform when my revolver got stuck in my trousers and misfired a round. 'The bullet brushed my left thigh, luckily it didn't cause any major injury.' An investigation has been launched. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

Emphasis mine. A 20-year veteran that doesn't know how to take off his pants?