Ron Paul Brilliantly Breaks Down Foreign Policy Madness Regarding Saudi Arabia & Iran

This is one of the most interesting threads i've ever posted in my opinion.

The Saudis are very much the most oppresive regime in the world run by a family owned religious oligarchy, yet we needed to prop up other less oppressive sovereign nations with puppet govts. and we must invade them in the name of democracy.
Saudi Arabia however, we arm them to the teeth!

Obviously we all realize how little sense this makes.

I especially liked:

Some will argue that these arms deals are international trade which we should encourage and applaud. Sadly, the United States does not build much that we can export these days. But the fact is that the US weapons industry is underwritten by the American taxpayer. From research and development to acquisition by the US military, the costs of the US arms industry are borne by American citizens. But, as so-called “private” companies, the enormous profits they make selling weapons to countries like Saudi Arabia are of course privatized. So the costs are socialized and the profits are privatized. There is a word for this arrangement and it is not “capitalism.”

paul.house.gov...:saudi-arms-deal-is-about-iran&catid=31:texas-straight-talk

Even those that are against Iran should realize the hypocrisy of arming the Saudis, you are arming the most oppresive family owned dictatorship on the planet.

Thoughts?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


I tried getting someone to mention in another thread what he is talking about. But the commenter did not want to go there.

Socialized losses and privatized gains controlled by the government. Can anyone else say what this is called.

S&F by the way. I hope they use Sarah as the canary and run Ron. Perfect strategy IMO. We have had this discussion a few months back at another site, strategy for the next election I mean. Allow them to attack others and then bring in the big gun.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


It seems like the US, Saudia Arabia, and Israel are all Sleeping in the same Bed Politically . In the case of the Saudi's, their Anti Isreali Rhetoric just seems to be paying Lip Service to the rest of the Arab World in order to Cover Up their Real intent of Securing their Rule Militarially not just over their Own people , but also to protect themselves from the more Dangerous Threat of Islamic Militants in the Middle East influencing a possible Revolution in order to Topple the Royal Regime . I guess the U.S. and Israel figure they can Control the Saudi's Political Agenda in the Middle East by Proping them up as a Serious Threat to not Only Iran , but to all the other Arab States that are trying to cause Civil Unrest in the Region . A Dangerous game indeed that Mr. Paul is well aware of , and sees the Folly for the U.S. if this continues to be the case in the Future .

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


That is usually referred to as lemon socialism, no?
What really worries me, what the hell is SA asked to do in return for this arms deal? I would seriously doubt they were not asked for something in return.

He makes some on the dot points. This man is not afraid to say anything, and he is a critical thinker.

S&F for you.

reply to post by gandhi


" He makes some on the dot points. This man is not afraid to say anything, and he is a critical thinker. "

Which could also be an Impediment to any though of Presidential Aspirations he might have in the near future. Men like Mr. Paul Scare more people with his Cool Calculated Logic than have them Rally around his Just Cause . A Pity really .........

I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the Bank. ... You are a den of vipers and thieves. ~ Andrew Jackson

Privatizing profits and socializing losses is what is occurring here, this is a form of Crony Capitalism and Corporate Welfare. Those whom wish to push such radical and corrupt policies should be in a prison cell not the Oval office. Those whom claim to be Conservatives and endorse this sell-off are not Conservatives, they are Neocon Marxists.

American politics has decided to enforce ‘capitalism’, ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’ at the barrel of a gun yet will not enforce this on the worst of anti-capitalist, anti-freedom and anti-democratic dictatorships in the modern world. A country which has given us most of the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 (for those who believe that story) and what do they get in return? They receive top military weapons to isolate and agitate a nation which has done nothing to us directly or indirectly.

It is not the job of the American government to sell weapons to foreign nations and especially not to such a hostile and oppressive regime such as KSA. The Neocons preach spreading Democracy and human rights but that appear to be only to regimes which oppose them, those who support them shall never face any hostility. These Neocon Marxists make me sick. Good job Ron Paul on calling out the criminal mindset of these groups!

S+F

reply to post by ModernAcademia


rons got it wrong

yes the saudi regime is oppressive but saudi arabia sits on oil wealth that is the combined total of iran and iraq

saudi arabia holds the most significant amounts of oil in the middle east if not the entire world.

so if you dont want $500 a barrel oil and that money going to fund radical islamic fundamentalism whats the alternatives?

do you let saudi fall to a worse form of government a government comprised of radical islamic fundamemtalism much like iran and others in the middle east.

if paul has a solution to this i am all ears.

reply to post by neo96


I believe his idea is to get the hell out of the ME, let them deal with their own crap. Use the money saved by not spending cajillions on wars to pay our debt down and develop clean natural energy solutions.

Bravo Ron!
Does this mean we have to sell more arms to Iran now?
It would only be fair.
Did the US Navy ever come up with a counter to the Soviet missiles Iran has?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Mr. Paul is absolutely right. And we do have a world built on the consumption of oil. It is a sick game of control and greed by worlds ruling elite.

We support SA because they play ball and because they are actually stable politically, not because we like their politics or social structure. We will continue to be in bed with SA until we don't need oil anymore. It's ugly and nasty and sadly necessary at the moment.

Also, Saudi Arabia is the geopolitical center of the Sunni Muslim world and also hosts many key locations in Muslim religious and cultural history. As such, in combination with it's roughly 35% of Arab Oil reserves and it's strategic location in relation to the Gulf and Red Sea (Suez Canal) and Israel, it would be a Prime target for aggression from Shiite nations which have a long standing ideological conflict with the Sunni.

Guess who the largest and wealthiest and most outspokenly aggressive Shiite nation is?

Iran.

Originally posted by Fiberx
We support SA because they play ball and because they are actually stable politically, not because we like their politics or social structure.

They are stable politically because we didn't destabalize them.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Fair enough, the rules of engagement still apply to the current relationship though.

It's very much the same reason we never do more than give lip service to actions by Israel that we don't find convenient. The value of these relationships super-cedes our social or political values.

We are looking at what may become the center of a global war, possibly even a religious war. We need a couple of things in our pocket, in case TSHTF. Oil for our fuel and lubricants and a beach head in a nation that we can trust.

All of these nations have a common enemy although in part for disparate reasons.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like this game or most of the players.. but I have come to believe that an Islamic expansion is inevitable and that whether it's religious or financial or political or all of the above, we are going to be fighting massive wars in the decades to come, with the very existence of our western societies hanging in the balance. Now that we are neck deep in the S#!T we are gonna have to swim to the other side. If that means taking favors from some sharks, oh well. War is hell.

reply to post by neo96


Islamic revolutions happen because the people are oppressed.
No sensible person regardless of religion wants to start wars.
The Mullahs can only seize power because there is no working democracy.
The vast majority of Muslims are capitalists too and enjoy peace, have work to do, raising families, you know - normal living.
True Democracies are the enemies of Crony Capital.
Fortunately, there are less Muslim extremists percentage-wise than there are Christian or Jewish.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

Islamic revolutions happen because the people are oppressed.

yes they do the iranian revolution comes to mind and just how bloody was that and what methods did they employ and what methods do they still employ?

No sensible person regardless of religion wants to start wars.

radical fundamentalism is insanity at its pinnacle

Fortunately, there are less Muslim extremists percentage-wise than there are Christian or Jewish.

seriously? i cant believe you said that there are over 1,500,000,000 muslims and the percentage tell me and every other person out there that there are millions of them MILLIONS.

First view/read this - www.usatoday.com...

Now consider that just 1% of the 1.3 billion Muslims world wide would be 13,000,000.

I don't think it is much of a stretch to say that there could be more Muslims that either already support or would be willing to support or are willing to turn a blind eye to the "extremist" agenda that is infecting pockets of territory all over the world, than there are Americans in total.

When you bring in the religion clowns, things can get WAY out of control, REALLY quick.

When you are talking about the Koran, which is considered the literal word of Allah, traditionally.. even more so.

It's like the crazy extreme right wing, snake holding, let your baby die rather than seek medical treatment, women are supposed to be subservient, Christian cults.. It's as if David Koresh had tens of millions of followers and 100,000 times as many guns and explosives and a mission from God to enslave the world.

Sound fun?

Sharia Courts are operating in the open in the UK and France already. Religious Courts!

It's gonna get really ugly in the next 50 years, unless you want to praise Allah.

I am wondering how many millions of Europeans are going to flee the impending oppression in the next 20-30 years.

Better find your next Charles "The Hammer" Martel guys!

as always Paul is spot on.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Saudi King

we here in the US need to acquire
approximately 20 terrorists patsies
for an upcoming false flag we are
planning. These assets will not be
returning to the kingdom and will
most likely be terminated in this
suicide mission. thank you

the CIA
Dec 2000

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

This is one of the most interesting threads i've ever posted in my opinion.

The Saudis are very much the most oppresive regime in the world run by a family owned religious oligarchy, yet we needed to prop up other less oppressive sovereign nations with puppet govts. and we must invade them in the name of democracy.
Saudi Arabia however, we arm them to the teeth!

Obviously we all realize how little sense this makes.

I especially liked:

Some will argue that these arms deals are international trade which we should encourage and applaud. Sadly, the United States does not build much that we can export these days. But the fact is that the US weapons industry is underwritten by the American taxpayer. From research and development to acquisition by the US military, the costs of the US arms industry are borne by American citizens. But, as so-called “private” companies, the enormous profits they make selling weapons to countries like Saudi Arabia are of course privatized. So the costs are socialized and the profits are privatized. There is a word for this arrangement and it is not “capitalism.”

paul.house.gov...:saudi-arms-deal-is-about-iran&catid=31:texas-straight-talk

Even those that are against Iran should realize the hypocrisy of arming the Saudis, you are arming the most oppresive family owned dictatorship on the planet.

Thoughts?

As an independent I like Ron Paul. Always have. I'd vote for him in a second. But his son is a nut. Never is when I will vote for him.

reply to post by trailertrash


His son is a carbon copy of Ron Paul.

There is no policy difference between Rand and Ron, the only differences come in how their views are expressed publicly. Rand is much more politically adroit.

The word Ron Paul is referring to in his article is "Fascism" - it is not crony capitalism.

Fascism is a system of government imposed cartels of industry, where the cartels use the power of the State to regulate competition out of the industry and socialize losses on to the tax payer through the use of subsidies, grants, government contracts, bailouts, and other mechanisms of largess.

Fascism is the word.