US to build £8bn super base on Pacific island of Guam

US to build £8bn super base on Pacific island of Guam

www.teleg raph.co.uk

The US is building an £8 billion super military base on the Pacific island of Guam in an attempt to contain China's military build-up

The expansion will include a dock for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, a missile defence system, live-fire training sites and the expansion of the island's airbase.

Experts agree China does not currently have the capability to challenge US supremacy in the Pacific and Indian Ocean.

The EPA's report said the build-up would "exacerbate existing substan

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I can't say i'm completely surprised, but when you think about it... it's weird.
Let's put it into perspective.

The biggest military power in the world wants to alledgedly contain the military build-up of the country that loans it the most amount of money on the planet?

In any case this is quite alot of money, and so far I only see british and russian news outlets reporting it.

However, Guam residents fear the build-up could hurt their ecosystem and tourism-dependent economy.

Sucks for Guam residents, look what happened the last time the U.S. military came.

In a ploy to rid Guam of its population of invasive brown tree snakes, the U.S. Department of Agriculture is bombing the island with drugged frozen mice

Using Naval Base Guam as a starting point, scientists drop mice packed with acetaminophen from helicopters into the jungle canopy.

Guam’s snake problem began in the 1980s, when the creatures arrived on the island accidentally in military cargo.

This kinda sucks for the residents of Guam, they first got foreign snakes, frozen mice and now another massive military base.

I know some might feel this is necessary, but what are your thoughts ATS?

www.teleg raph.co.uk
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I think a 90% reduction in US military would not endanger the citizens at all. This money could be used to unite countries instead of waring with them. To place another big outpost for our empire just tells the world we want to dominate it, not benifit it.

Isn't that amazing? In another thread on this site a Neo-con fanboy is complaining about the US Government thinking about spending 2,5 bn to build high-speed rail, yet here the military can whip out the checkbook to the tune of 8 bn and no one blinks an eye. What a farce. The military and it's rampant spending owns this country.

our company bid on that project 3-4 months back. we lost the bid by an extreamly lower bidder

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

The biggest military power in the world wants to alledgedly contain the military build-up of the country that loans it the most amount of money on the planet?

Yes, it makes perfect sense...

This base will come to good use once the "the biggest military in the world" becomes unable to pay back its dept.

I'm sure the Chines love the fact that their loans are being used so wisely.

I'm just worried the island cannot handle the weight of the troops and base and might capsize!

Agent orange was used on Guam and still contaminates the drinking water supply on the island.

Many Veterans that were stationed there are denied service connected disablity.
cybersarges.tripod.com...
www.bluewaternavy.org...
mvguam.com...
www.guamagentorange.info...
plus you have arsenic, cadmium, copper, chromium, lead, manganese, unspecified metals, nickel, pesticides, polychlorinated biphenyls or PCBs, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, selenium, silver, thallium, tetrachloro dibenzeno dioxins, total petroleum hydrocarbons, vanadium, volatile organic compounds, trichloroethylene, benzene, toluene, ethyl benzene, xylenes, and semi-volatile organic compounds, contamination in the island water supply from the military
www.guamagentorange.info...

our company bid on that project 3-4 months back. we lost the bid by an extreamly lower bidder

That's how the game is played, Submit a ridiculously low bid, then start charging for "cost overruns". Helps to grease the palms of gubberment officials.

I'm just worried the island cannot handle the weight of the troops and base and might capsize!

Funny because this is what some idiot in Congress actually claimed.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

The biggest military power in the world wants to alledgedly contain the military build-up of the country that loans it the most amount of money on the planet?

Well would you want to collect on a debt owe by a guy who is armed to the teeth and with a bad reputation of shooting first?

Chinese ownership of American debt is actually a liability for China and probably one of the greatest examples of ripoffs in world history. They buy nearly a trillion of American debt and all that investment goes under strain when the Fed prints money.

Besides, the military is a huge welfare program with guns. The jobs provided with such a base is numerous (as well as with other forms of military spending.)

Lost the bid.
Here is likely why, The company that won is planing to use foreign workers from the philippines
www.pinoymoneytalk.com...

The natives of Guam and Americans need not apply.

I even hate to say this but Dan Rahter (now on HD TV) did a pretty interesting report on the story at the beginning of the month.

I could only find this Youtube link:


If you can find the whole segment-it's worth a watch. Of course, he hits it from the Anti-American angle but I think it is done well-showing both sides.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer

our company bid on that project 3-4 months back. we lost the bid by an extreamly lower bidder

That's how the game is played, Submit a ridiculously low bid, then start charging for "cost overruns". Helps to grease the palms of gubberment officials.

I'm just worried the island cannot handle the weight of the troops and base and might capsize!

Funny because this is what some idiot in Congress actually claimed.

That's why I said it. I laughed my ass off when I heard that.

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Sucks for the residents of Guam. Look what happened the last time the US Military Came...

What about the Battle of Guam on july 21st, 1944? You know...when the USMC liberated the indigenous people of Guam who were subjected to forced labor, family separation, incarceration, execution, concentration camps and forced prostitution at the hands of the Japanese.

Andersen AFB has been on Guam since 1941, The title should be "US to upgrade Military Base on Guam".

Originally posted by ANNED
Agent orange was used on Guam and still contaminates the drinking water supply on the island.

Many Veterans that were stationed there are denied service connected disablity.

www.guamagentorange.info...

Starting in 2007 Veterans Affairs has started approving Agent Orange Claims for Veterans that were on Guam. DOD admitted Agent Purple was on Guam, after this VA had to approve the claims. Guam was a Logistics hub running Agent Orange,Purple, White....all over Asia. It was used on the island. A retired Air Force Sergeant, now a Federal Employee on Guam has been vocal on Guam that Agent Orange/Purple was used there. He's still alive because he's the head of the local AFGE union.

Originally posted by PWDrifter
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Sucks for the residents of Guam. Look what happened the last time the US Military Came...

What about the Battle of Guam on july 21st, 1944? You know...when the USMC liberated the indigenous people of Guam who were subjected to forced labor, family separation, incarceration, execution, concentration camps and forced prostitution at the hands of the Japanese.

Andersen AFB has been on Guam since 1941, The title should be "US to upgrade Military Base on Guam".

edit on 27-10-2010 by PWDrifter because: (no reason given)

The people of Guam were not considered Americans during World War II or even decades afterwards. They were NOT given War Reparations from Japan for the death marches, beheadings, rape, enslavement, torture.

The United States "forgave" Japan for it's war crimes on the people of Guam in exchange for Japan not claiming the United States committed War Crimes by sending all the dead Japanese soldiers back to Japan from Guam without their heads. The Navy JAG was scared crapless the Japanese were going to claim we had committed war crimes and that was the deal that was struck. To date, the people of Guam still have not received War Reparations for what they endured in WWII. A Bill has been submitted to Congress every year for years to get Congress to pay the people of Guam War Reparations....since the US gave Japan amnesty over their war crimes on the people of Guam. Congress has never passed the bill.

The people of Guam always have been....second class citizens. And still are. They are still mad as heck the US knew Japan was coming for Guam and allllll the military dependents were evacuated along with most of the military....We knew Guam was going to be taken by Japan. The United States wanted Japan to take Guam to drag isolationist America into the War. After we stopped supplying Japan with crude oil....we knew they would take Guam. (we don't own it)

If you go to the Andersen AFB EPA Superfund website and scroll down to where it says "Marbo Annex" you will see the paragraph that says the Federal EPA just issued a Waiver to the Department of Defense for the Trichloroethylend in the bottom of the Guam water table.

There is no way to clean it out. It's from the prior military build ups on Guam, mainly the Vietnam War. The dumps on Andersen AFB are full of munitions and hazardous waste. They were on the Superfund. They were just pencil whipped off of Superfund in 2008 and DOD refused to cap them. They are the only munitions/hazardous waste dumps on Federal soil/prior military dumps....that weren't capped. Why did they do this?

The Draft Environmental Impact Study for the military build up says DOD plans on putting dozens of drinking water wells.....right next to those old dumps. IF they were capped there would be land use restrictions.

Chlordane was detected in the public water system and Naval wells exceeding the allowable levels in 2008. It's half life has came and gone several times but it's still popping up exceeding Federal Levels. By Federal law they are supposed to filter the public water system with charcoal. They can't afford that and was never done. DOD built most of the water infrastructure after WWII and the lead water pipes are still in the ground. Nobody can afford to replace them. They haven't tested the public water for lead since it blew past allowable levels in the 1980's. The EPA has been screaming bloody murder and threatening to fine Guam because the sewer pipes running the tapwater/toilet water into the ocean.....exceed Federal Law in the amount of lead you can have in waste water. It's from the lead water pipes all over the island.

There's 100+ military dumps all over the island. Chemicals weapons have been dug up in peoples back yards. Munitions are all over, the place was heavily bombed in WWII. We vaporized entire villages in WWII.


DOD is planning on taking the race track on Guam along with part of Route 15 for the mortar/shooting range. People ain't happy about that. DOD has contractors building lots of stuff and the subcontractors are using illegal alien Chinese laborers making pieces of concrete structures then trucking them in to be assembled by legit laborers. Those chinese slaves ain't even getting paid. They had a bunch of them march to the Guam Dept of Labor mad they weren't getting paid.

What's going on in Guam is criminal. Do we own Guam? No. In 1898 when we beat Spain they ceded their military forts/roads in the Philippines and Guam to the US. They didn't cede the people or countries. Hence why Guam is one of the 16 countries on the UN Decolonization list waiting to be decolonized. We don't own it. Never have. Lots of things have been going on in the UN and the United States thinks Guam may be lost soon. Hence if you get close to their military bases on Guam you will see LARGE blue painted lines outlining their military base boundary. Why would they do that?

177 countries at the UN voted for the last 16 countries on the UN Decolonization list to be freed. The US didn't vote yes for that. They submitted a letter saying Guam is part of the US and they won't give it up.

The world is thinking otherwise. China/Russia along with the world may be mounting a mission to liberate the last 16 countries still occupied. Maybe we are going to use Guam to drag America into a fight against China.

We did it before.

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As they said the charm offensive is over. No more being Mr. Nice Guy trying to conquer the world, its time to be badass. Hence why the U.S. is planning ahead. The Chinese ain't the only ones that can think in long term interests. And if we got to war with China, heck we don't have to worry about defaulting the loans.

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We fought tooth and nail for those islands against the Japanese and we aint about to give them up. Besides, we have pumped hundreds of millions if not billions over the years into the economies.

It's time for the long term payoff.

I posted a thread on this two weeks ago ...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and there's more info from the locals here ..

weareguahan.com...