Originally posted by thumper76
would have been a different outcome? The Germans were on the cutting edge of several things and it seems that time and money just ran out.

The allies were on the cutting edge of a lot more things than the germans...

if memory serves me right last time i looked at a history book the germans were trying to develop a atomic weapon and either the us was tryin to do the same thing or got wind of it and created the manhattan project to build an atomic bomb and i believe albert einstein was involved in building it to

Nowadays we have a similar situation with SCALAR WEAPONS, EMP weapons, quantum potential weapons, etc.... much more powerful than those child-size hiroshima nuclear weapons.

No one speaks officially about these, but at least the major world powers have them.

During the fourties, both US and Germany were running to produce bigger weapons, in secret. People only discovered the existence of nuclear weapons when hiroshima happened. It's the same with scalar weapons, if someone uses them, then everyone knows and will want to have them. Since the destruction potencial is too big, no one risks to use them, having no defence systems against such attack. It's also the same situation for advance spacecraft. I think the US, Russia, China already have some kind of these spacecrafts.

you should read the books by joseph p farell. he talks about how the nazis not only tested atom bombs but air bombs on the eastern front. go buy...go read!

Originally posted by ewokdisco
you should read the books by joseph p farell. he talks about how the nazis not only tested atom bombs but air bombs on the eastern front. go buy...go read!

Yah read his book Reich of the Black Sun years ago, it makes for good fiction but almost all his assertions are works of fantasy.

Originally posted by sy.gunson
At the centre was placed Lithium Deuteride (a hydride of Lithium using heavy Hydrogen) and various other compounds. Boron acted as a nuclear moderator.

Boron cannot act as "moderator". It's an absorber of neutrons and would inhibit the fission process. It's like putting extra water in the fuel tank of your car.

It worked on a principle of artificially inducing what we nowadays call a Deuteron beam. If you collide Deuterium with superheated Lithium under high pressures then you can generate a rush of neutrons. Sufficient to trick the fissile material to react as if it was part of a larger critical mass of Uranium or Plutonium.

Seems like you are talking about essentially a thermonuclear weapon, which is of course impossible to detonate using conventional shaped charge.

I do have to agree there dereks... the Jumo 004 turbojets had an average service life of 25 hours
not only that but they were sensitive to rapid directional, altitude, or speed changes... Hence why it started life as a Bomber and attack aircraft but hitler intervened like with many projects and forced a fighter redesign which delayed it's entry into service by almost a year... without this delay it would have entered service soon enough to make a difference (late 43)

Still this actually proves the assertions many of us have been making in this thread and others like it. That is that it was bureaucracy and Poor decisions that kept the advanced technology from being built and used effectively not an absence of said advanced technology and research efforts... In addition the sheer AMOUNT of research being done in the Sheer amount of fields actually worked againstthem as they had so many projects going no single one had the consistent backing and resources dedicated to it to bring them to a point where they could be employed on the battlefield.

In that respect dereks and the rest are correct in that in quite a few fields by mid 1942 even allied technology had eclipsed German equipment in many areas... this was due to bureaucratic decisions and a sense of overconfidence that led groups like the luftwaffe to abandon it's original plans to continuously upgrade it's air force incrementally that left them flying late 30's designs throughout the war for the most part like the BF 109 .

But just to make it perfectly clear ... that doesn't mean the technology wasn't there it just means it WAS NOT EFFECTIVELY IMPLEMENTED or implemented at all in many cases. There are several examples even in mainstream histories of weapons and prototypes captured that were in working condition and not used which is quite perplexing...

The biggest example of this I find is the V2 tow pods that would have allowed nazi subs to attack the US East coast with SLBM's several intact and ready to use prototypes were captured... My personal theory is that much of the high command and engineers etcetera KNEW the war was turning against them by as early as 42 and started deliberately keeping certain projects from ever being used to attack the states so there was at least one fallback nation they could ask for mercy who hadn't had their homeland bombed by them.

Regardless of your view on the technologies and etcetera of this war it cannot be disputed that there was more going on behind the scenes than will EVER be admitted on ALL SIDES...

Originally posted by sy.gunson
The lined cavity (Munroe) effect though known since 1792 was not given any practical application in warfare until developed by the Nazis.

Once again you are very wrong, the British developed it before the Germans in the British No. 68 AT Grenade anti-tank weapon of 1940

Some people refuse to accept the facts and claim the Germans developed everything before the allies.

Originally posted by sy.gunson
I have previously explained that the driving of superheated Lithium into Deuterium (in this case a deuteride) forms X-rays. Those X-rays create sufficient neutron flux to mimic the equivalent effect of critical mass.

How do X-rays create neutron flux? Pray tell.