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Originally posted by Ryanp5555
1. How can you say Jesus Christ was not the savior when he is a prophet in the Koran...
...yet he said himself that he was the son of god. I mean you have to believe he existed to be muslim, but beyond that, you guys recoginze that he is some sort of prophet. To me this says that the people of Islam, during Jesus' time, saw that Jesus was indeed the savior, but were stubborn and feared that it would mean they were wrong all along. Maybe that is just my view point, but anyways.... if jesus wasn't the savior then where is his body?
2. Can you just give me a quick over view of your religion? I.E. God created earth in 7 days, he put Adam and Eve on earth. They ate the apple of knowledge, descendants later Earth was a terrible place with only one man worthy of God, Noah, who then was told by God to build a ship that would survive the floods. After the floods humanity was basically reset. And in time God sent his only son, Jesus Christ, to die for our sins, and once the apocalypse happens he will come again. All will be judged.
Luke 17: 20 -21
Now when he was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of GOD will come, He answered them and said, "The Kingdom of GOD does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of GOD is within you"
Mathew 4:5-7
Then the devil took him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, sand said to Him, �If you are the Son of God, throw your self down For it is written:
�He shall give his angles charge over you� and, �In their hands they shall bear you up Lest you dash your foot against a stone.�
Jesus said to him, �It is written again, �You shall not tempt the Lord your God�
Mathew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, �Away with you, Satan! For it is written, �You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.�
Mark 2:10
But that you may know that the Son of Man has the power on earth to forgive sin
Matthew 5:45
That you may be sons of your father in Heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and sends rain on the unjust.
Mathew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God
Mathew 23:9-10
Do not call anyone on earth your father; for one is your father, he who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for one is your teacher, the Christ.
Matthew 26:39
He went a little farther and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, �oh my Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will�
Matthew 10:40-41
He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.
-Mark 10:18
So Jesus said to him, Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is God.
- John 8:28
Then Jesus said to them, when you lift up the son of man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My father taught Me, I speak these things.
John 5:37
And the father himself, who sent me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard his voice at any time, no seen his form.
Matthew 7:21
not everyone who says to me, Lord Shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, lord, lord have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness
John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of him who sent me
John 7:16
Jesus answered them and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his who sent me
John 13:16
Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who was sent greater than he who sent him. If you know theses things, blesses are you if you do them
Matthew 13:57
so they were offended at him. But Jesus said to them, A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house
- John 14:28
You have heard me say to you, I am going away and coming back to you If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, I am going to the Father, For My Father is Greater than I
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
1. How can you say Jesus Christ was not the savior when he is a prophet in the Koran... yet he said himself that he was the son of god. I mean you have to believe he existed to be muslim, but beyond that, you guys recoginze that he is some sort of prophet.
To me this says that the people of Islam, during Jesus' time, saw that Jesus was indeed the savior, but were stubborn and feared that it would mean they were wrong all along.
Maybe that is just my view point, but anyways.... if jesus wasn't the savior then where is his body?
Originally posted by Byrd
Jesus never actually says "Hey, dude! I'm the Son Of God!" He's quite coy about it ("Who is it that you say I am?" and so forth.)
Matthew 26:63-64a But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, I charge you under oath be the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ(Messiah), the Son of God." 64"Yes, it is how you say," Jesus replied...
Originally posted by KSoze
Its the same old song to a different tune. Our prophet is the only one. Our book is the only one. Everyone else is wrong. That sums up this religion along with the rest of them. It is nothing more than pure selfishness.
[edit on 25-6-2004 by KSoze]
[edit on 25-6-2004 by KSoze]
Originally posted by KSoze
Where are you sources for such information outside of the "corrupted" bible? You must use another source besides the bible because you have stated that source isn't reliable.
Mithras, has once again shown the ridiculous concept of hell that Islam has. Everyone is getting out of hell if the people in heaven will it...So what is the point of becoming of a part of islam. If you have a get out of hell free card then forget it...don't convert and you'll still be saved (yeah right). This proves that your own religion is absolutely pointless.
Muhammed wasn't even sure of his own salvation. Which totally contradicts the logic of this. If everyone is getting out of hell then he could have been 100% sure of his salvation. Was muhammed saved?
Islam supports 25 named messengers in the Qu'ran. Yet, not a one of these messengers had a message that was anything like Muhammeds. Buddha didn't even teach god. Muslims teach buddha's, jesus', krishnas' and everybody elses messages were corrupted. Everyone but muhammed.
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
All im saying is that if people just disappear, REPENT! Please repent.
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
There is a difference about Jesus' body and Socrates body. Finding Jesus' body would prove this religion wrong, and they should know relatively where it is. The claim of the Shroud of Turin is, again, a point in which one can again show that Jesus did rise from the dead. Did you guys ever think that Muhammod was the Anti-Christ? Think about it. He has gathered over 1,000,000,000 followers in the world right now. He claimed to be the salvation, and was also quite violent. Maybe how we interprut the book of revalations is completely wrong. Here is some food for thought, why are things starting to happen as they can be interpretted in the book of revalations. All im saying is that if people just disappear, REPENT! Please repent.
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
REPENT! Please repent.
Originally posted by Jakko
Oh and Christianity was not based on another religion or set of ideas such as Mithraism and paganism. That lie has been debunked a couple of times allready.
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
To me this says that the people of Islam, during Jesus' time, saw that Jesus was indeed the savior, but were stubborn and feared that it would mean they were wrong all along. Maybe that is just my view point, but anyways.... if jesus wasn't the savior then where is his body?
Originally posted by Valhall
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
To me this says that the people of Islam, during Jesus' time, saw that Jesus was indeed the savior, but were stubborn and feared that it would mean they were wrong all along. Maybe that is just my view point, but anyways.... if jesus wasn't the savior then where is his body?
There was no Islam when Christ was alive. There was no Islam for another 600 years.