Originally posted by Ryanp5555
1. How can you say Jesus Christ was not the savior when he is a prophet in the Koran...
He is one of the great Prophets, born of a virgin birth, performed miracles in his stay on Earth, led a completely sinless life, gave his people the original Gospel; and did not die but is in Heaven ready to return to us at an appointed time. He is also just a man, and no comparison to God and will someday die like anyone else. Hope this answers where his body is. In a sense he is a saviour because he passed a message of truth to us, just like any other Prophet.
...yet he said himself that he was the son of god. I mean you have to believe he existed to be muslim, but beyond that, you guys recoginze that he is some sort of prophet. To me this says that the people of Islam, during Jesus' time, saw that Jesus was indeed the savior, but were stubborn and feared that it would mean they were wrong all along. Maybe that is just my view point, but anyways.... if jesus wasn't the savior then where is his body?
Muslims believe that while the Bible is a source of some true knowledge, it is also mixed with some possibly false statements (see how much Paul added yet he never even met Jesus) and over time words have changed due to translations from one language to another. We can't say exactly what is changed so instead everything is looked at with some degree of suspicion.
Just look at the differences between Bible versions and you will see what is meant. Look at the statements within the same version of Bible, sometimes there is only one god, sometime there is a son, sometimes everyone is called a son of god. The apostles each give a slightly different story of the resurrection as another example. If you can't appreciate that the Bible has lost some original meaning or is not entirely accurate then I guess we could argue forever.
So you say that Jesus himself said he was son of God. Where did you get this from, the Bible yes? There is only about one place where Jesus reportedly says it, if I remember correctly; and this one place can take on other meanings too. If you agree with the above paragraphs then you would logically consider that particular line in the Bible might also be wrong. Consider also that other verses say there is only one god and others definitely suggest Jesus and God are different, and the line is really in trouble. There is a confusion here and this is what they discussed a long time ago at Nicea. Solution was to invent the Trinity; this is speculation to me as it is based on very flimsy evidence! The Trinity might be seen by God as breaking the first commandment so don't you think it needs some really solid evidence?
You mention that the people of Islam at Jesus' time might have seen him and refused to accept. You've posed this in a difficult way because that is assuming Jesus taught modern Christianity. Muslims believe he taught Islam and not what you call Christianity today, and that his message was corrupted by men (Romans) later on to form Christianity. The Catholic church was around before Jesus, the Romans just mixed religions (their polytheism with Jesus' Islam) together to get everyone under one command. Islam doesn't mean you have to be an Arab or anything, it simply means submission to God.
If there were Muslims (not by name) back at Jesus' time then they already would have been practicing what Jesus taught.
2. Can you just give me a quick over view of your religion? I.E. God created earth in 7 days, he put Adam and Eve on earth. They ate the apple of knowledge, descendants later Earth was a terrible place with only one man worthy of God, Noah, who then was told by God to build a ship that would survive the floods. After the floods humanity was basically reset. And in time God sent his only son, Jesus Christ, to die for our sins, and once the apocalypse happens he will come again. All will be judged.
God is a being unimaginable to man except that He is eternal, infinitely powerful and knowledgable (He knew all that would happen even before He created). Everything in the universe depends on Him and He needs nothing from it.
Angels, Jinn and Man are completely different creations of God, the creation of the universe is similiar to what most people believe. The story of Adam is there, but his sin did not create any Original sin. Many of the Biblical stories including those of Noah and Moses are there. Basically if the word of "submission to God" (Islam) was dying, causing chaos, God would send a Prophet to set things right.
Some time after Jesus returns to earth (and dies), an angel will kill then resurrect all life. Judgement by God will be passed on each man (and Jinn). Some will go to Heaven, some to Hell but while in Hell they can be later forgiven and put in Heaven. Heaven has many levels depending on how good you were in life.
Bit long, sorry.
