Judgement on American Soil

I'm not going to spell out aother doom and gloom message here about an end of the world senario involving comets or nukes, rather I would like to discuss present day America.

I don't consider my self to be a prophet or a saint, but i do believe in Jesus Christ, so my prespective is a christian one.

I'll get right to the point. I believe that very soon, (and no I don;t know when) there is going to be a major shaking up in this country. So major infact that our lives as we know them will no longer be the same. You will have to put on some srt of blinders to pretend that they are.

I have seen (regretably) the terrible pornography on the internet some of which is so vile that it makes my skin crawl. I Have seen how young people have comepletely given themselves over to the most unbelievable practices imaginable.

I feel that if God does not punish this, (and I know that he is patient) that he will have to apoloize to Sodom and Gommorah.

I'm just as guilty as the people I saw on there and deserve the same punishment that's is coming, as I 'm sure as many of those reading this.

As unbelievable as this stuff (porn) is, this is just the beginning of it. We are literally going to be bathing in it in a few short years. So while we can we need to resist it so that when the punishement (after God's longsuffering has wained) finally comes we won't be so shocked.

I know that Al-Queda is evil and a spwn of Satan, never the less I believe God will hand this country over to them to be chastized and to awaken it. God has always used a few to conquer the many. Now I don't want anyone to misunderstand me here Al-Queda does not work for God but God's Soveriegn Hand is allowing them to strike at our heart.

This truely is a time to take an eternal perspective because the wolf is no longer at the door, he is inside hiding behind it!

Mock, scoff, or just pass this off as the rantings of some supposed sexually frustrated man, but I'm telling you, just as surely as I'm rwriting this, its here. Tic -toc tic -toc tic- toc tic- toc tic- toc!

Are l am glad that only Americans will be punished for porn cause the rest of the world see`s it but you believe that America will suffer.Great i`m going to have another look now Whilst you try to find out what the rest of the world is.


By the way god is not an American and Jesus was not born in America

[edit on 24-6-2004 by weirdo]

Originally posted by weirdo
Are l am glad that only Americans will be punished for porn cause the rest of the world see`s it but you believe that America will suffer.Great i`m going to have another look now Whilst you try to find out what the rest of the world is.

By the way god is not an American and Jesus was not born in America

[edit on 24-6-2004 by weirdo]

One thing to consider weirdo, which you have not, is America's Christian roots! Secondly, many more people consider themselves to be devout christians in this country then anywhere else in the world while still engageing in this secretly.

I'm not saying your country will escape; you won't! Just incase you think that, take a good look at all the terreorist activity world wide

So why are Americans so hell bent on starting wars then.Why do all the weird conspiracie theories come from America and why do you guys have it in your constitution that you have the right to bear arms then if you are so peace loving.And why don`t you stop it.And don`t answer its because the devil is at work because America has been doing these things ever since the days of the settlers.

Originally posted by weirdo
So why are Americans so hell bent on starting wars then.Why do all the weird conspiracie theories come from America and why do you guys have it in your constitution that you have the right to bear arms then if you are so peace loving.And why don`t you stop it.And don`t answer its because the devil is at work because America has been doing these things ever since the days of the settlers.

Amaricabent on starting wars???? are you kidding open your eyes man! Who started world war one, not us But we saved all your a##'s though!

Who started world war two, not us But we saved all your a##'s though!

How about vietnam war or Korean war!

Who bombed Pearl Harbor?

Who rebuilt every God forsaken countyry we ever occupied during a war?

Who always forgives to the point of causing ourselves pain- we do, not you or any of your supposed great European Countries either.

Who is rebuilding Iraq right now, not you.

You sound very young and don't really know any thing about this great country, just what your told by your corrupt self seeking polititians (and we got many of them here to) and our Hollywood zombies.

I know this country and love it here and don't want to see it punished, but there is a growing canser in this country (and the rest of the world). You have got to be blind not to see it!

Originally posted by weirdo
Why do all the weird conspiracie theories come from America and why do you guys have it in your constitution that you have the right to bear arms then if you are so peace loving.

have you heard of the Lochness monster---- last I checked it was in Scotland.


Who said we were peace loving. Lets fast forward out of the non-deodorant, bell-bottom wearing, lost in the sause sixties shall we! Does "Give me Liberty or give me death" sound like a hippy love statement to you?

Its not just porn.....seems to me the world changed from what it was when I was young to what it is now...

everything is backwards....what was good then is bad now.and vice a versa
so much anger, blame ...w/ out forgiveness.....
i TOO AM CRIMSON WITH SIN....and lust is hard to overcome...and drugs...so easy to fall ......

but theres so much evil going on now....

we are destroying the plannet...with pollution....more than just burning gas

the genetic eng's.....messin with God's creation....

All I can say is yes I believe america will fall......but the rest of the world will change also..... time to give yourself to Jesus and Try to change....


at the end of it..its whats in your heart, your intentions....God , Jesus know whats what.....

You are right Graystar. What America once was - the home of the free and the protector of the weak - she is no longer. The American dream has turned into a nightmare. The words on the plinth of the statue of liberty are no longer relevant. The ideas of the founding fathers are being ignored. The constitution is being systematically eroded.
The PC brigade are interfering so much that discipline has become a dirty word, hence we get little thugs running riot and no way to curb their excesses. Add to that Osama bin Laden and his merry Mullah's and we have a real problem.

Its not Little House on the Prarie anymore - and that's a pity.

The Indian problem you wiped out.The Atom bomb you dropped on innocent people Pearl Harbour was a Military target just cos you got caught with your pants down.Vietnam and Korea wasn`t your problem similar to Iraq you are impossing your believes whilst hidding behind the true reason for the conflict.You rebuild countries with American businesses what about the lives that are destroyed?.World war 1 & 2 you were asked to help when the conflicts were already nearing there conclusion.What about slavery allthought other countries had it you guys took it to the extreme.And the Lochness Monster go to Scotland in the summer and you can`t move for American tourists.

You cannot justifiy Americas actions and hide behind your religion.Do you think God would be happy with the actions of America.To defend your country is your right but don`t use your religion it contradictes you.And to get back to your question America might be judged in your eyes for porn but she`s done a lot worst to the human race to justifiy punishment.We`ve only been on this planet for 0.001% of its time something is bound to happen either earth quake or another disaster but that can happen anywere in the World.

[edit on 25-6-2004 by weirdo]

WELL SAID WEIRDO!

Originally posted by weirdo
The Indian problem you wiped out.The Atom bomb you dropped on innocent people Pearl Harbour was a Military target just cos you got caught with your pants down.Vietnam and Korea wasn`t your problem similar to Iraq you are impossing your believes whilst hidding behind the true reason for the conflict.You rebuild countries with American businesses what about the lives that are destroyed?.World war 1 & 2 you were asked to help when the conflicts were already nearing there conclusion.What about slavery allthought other countries had it you guys took it to the extreme.And the Lochness Monster go to Scotland in the summer and you can`t move for American tourists.

You cannot justifiy Americas actions and hide behind your religion.Do you think God would be happy with the actions of America.To defend your country is your right but don`t use your religion it contradictes you.And to get back to your question America might be judged in your eyes for porn but she`s done a lot worst to the human race to justifiy punishment.We`ve only been on this planet for 0.001% of its time something is bound to happen either earth quake or another disaster but that can happen anywere in the World.

[edit on 25-6-2004 by weirdo]

Once Again that is your version of History: The pilgrams who came here were ruuning from tyrants in Europe they did not wipe out the indians. there is more to that story than you presume.

Oh and by the way there are still indians in America to day but geuss what there lifestyles are deplorible too and its not because of Americanization its because they belong to the Human race.

As for Pearl Harbor we would not have entered the war, except for the unprovoked attack on pearl harbor by the Japanese kamakazies( Who by the way were stoned out of there minds.


Who is justifing America's actions, not me. She ain't perfect, I know!
And who is imposing our beliefs. Stop watchin CNN and get the real story about Iraq. Try Fox instead, or better yet why not go to Iraq your self and ask those people if you think America cares about them (not the few rebels who are given air time every night).

I'm saying, you can't be a beacon of light and hide so many sins beneath the carpet, because eventually the carpet will bulge. In the end all will receive just payment.

Go on and enjoy your last few years of peace, the pale horse is mounting!

And one fianl point America isn't a Christian nation today but it once had a majority of them, and like anything else only the bad is reported. There is still a remnant here of which I am proud to be. One not touched by the politicaly correct thought police. And let me say this we are not represented by the likes of T D Jakes, Benny hinn, etc who enjoy pulling rabbits out of there hats

Originally posted by tad6015
Its not just porn.....seems to me the world changed from what it was when I was young to what it is now...

everything is backwards....what was good then is bad now.and vice a versa
so much anger, blame ...w/ out forgiveness.....
i TOO AM CRIMSON WITH SIN....and lust is hard to overcome...and drugs...so easy to fall ......

but theres so much evil going on now....

we are destroying the plannet...with pollution....more than just burning gas

the genetic eng's.....messin with God's creation....

All I can say is yes I believe america will fall......but the rest of the world will change also..... time to give yourself to Jesus and Try to change....


at the end of it..its whats in your heart, your intentions....God , Jesus know whats what.....

You are the Audiance I was trying to capture. Thank you for your responce. That simple admittance of guilt it is the beginning of salvation.
Jesus Christ can change you never give up! If you fall get right back up!

Originally posted by Pisky
You are right Graystar. What America once was - the home of the free and the protector of the weak - she is no longer. The American dream has turned into a nightmare. The words on the plinth of the statue of liberty are no longer relevant. The ideas of the founding fathers are being ignored. The constitution is being systematically eroded.
The PC brigade are interfering so much that discipline has become a dirty word, hence we get little thugs running riot and no way to curb their excesses. Add to that Osama bin Laden and his merry Mullah's and we have a real problem.

Its not Little House on the Prarie anymore - and that's a pity.

Thank you pixy, not because you agree with me, but because you understand my point even if you were not to agree.

You understand what we were and what we could be. But we are content like Frogs slowly boiling to our own death completely unaware that our comforts are becoming our shackels

Originally posted by Adian00
WELL SAID WEIRDO!

So that' s it. That's your only comment. Are you another young blood who doesn't appriciate the freedoms you are afforded by those who died in your place here in America or abroad

I once heard that if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything.

My reason was to post was not to have a fight with Americans just to point out that there is alot wrong with American society porn is a very small part of the problem.

Originally posted by weirdo
My reason was to post was not to have a fight with Americans just to point out that there is alot wrong with American society porn is a very small part of the problem.

My point was not to fight with non Americans but to awaken those who are slipping down the slope . Those who are willing to recognize there own sin and their part in this mess so they can change the future. Those who recognize this have half of the battle won. our weapons won't stop Al-Queda, but if we change our lives, then God can reverse the damage done. that is the theme throughout the entire Bible. why should it be any different today? By the way no offence taken to your stand.

Greystar

Please don't assume that I stand for nothing. I stand for many things including Truth, Liberty, Justice and the persuit of Happiness....the last of which our current administration is systimatcially destroying. That isn't to say that I don't stand for America...and maybe I don't but I do stand for what America once invoked. However, those days are obviously long gone. I replied to Weirdo because he made a good unbiased point and if you were to interview other people from outside our country, I'm certain that their responses to your post would reflect the same sentiment. America isn't the only babylon on earth today and America still has some of the strictest pornography regulations out there (though this is hardly a good point of discussion.) I have traveled the world a bit and have seen things that would make even the nastiest American pornography appear G rated.
However, I do agree with you on one point. I foresee that America, nay, the entire world, is headed for a major paradigm shift. So major, that nothing we see today will be like anything we will see and I can only hope that this shift is for the better. I see this comming into completion within 30 years. But, even still, the america of today is nothing like it was yesterday. When I read your post I did recognize it as somthing i've felt for a while...that this change IS comming. I've seen it in the eyes of my other christian friends as well as my pagan friends. It's quite startling as well as exciting. Moreover, I feel that this change needs to happen. We cannot continue living the ways we do now. America is gluttonus (not that other countries aren't) and we abuse our Earth as if it were our play toy. She will retaliate one day and soon and it's gonna be hell to pay.
Another thing, I seriously hope that your judgement of Al Queda isn't part of a larger condemnation of Islam. Islam is a beautiful religion. Al Queda is then only comparable to Christian Militants.

Adian

I think people are missing the point when it comes to great change on the planet and the reason behind it.I am not a bit religious but l have an open mind and if anything in the future happens to me personnally this may change.
The History of the planet and the Human race are two differant arguements that are similar in so much that at this point in time we only truly understand the past as far back as we can remember.If we truly think what the past has really been we can then understand why change is inevitable and is beyond our control.Christ was around 2004 years ago but if you look at the 9th century did the human race follow the teaching of god as we do now?.The Church has changed through the centuries as the planet has, the human race as been around on this planet for such a small period of time we cannot judge the changes and have never experianced large scale distruction that has happened in the past.A large scale disaster will happen to the planet as it has in the past,we all no about the ice age.Will this happen again or something similar of course is this because of the way we live our lives l personnel don`t think so as l didn`t arrive on this planet with a set of instruction and just because a book or scriptures tell us how to behave in my opinion is wrong.I am not trying to tell you how to live your lives l respect all religions and view points, that is your right and l am not about to try to change that .I believe it is a good thing to ask question and listen to answers.I do however havwe strong objections to anybody telling me that l should live my life to a religion it would take a personnal appearance from god if he excists to convince me.I believe that all humans should live as peacefully and respectfully together unfortunatly this will never happen.If there is a judgement day let us all be judged on our on merits from our own beliefs and ideas.

Yes, there is a change coming. The Human Race is growing up. We're being forced to by technology that has outpaced our social evolution. It doesn't matter as grow up we shall. As all do when coming of age, we are making many mistakes. It is inevitable that we struggle on this road. It's how we learn.

You religous guys are losing your franchises though and maybe that is what you are seeing that horrifies you so. Now that world history is available to so many, we can start to see the patterns of control. We can see what your churches have been up to. It is a slow process taking centuries, as humans vary as to how much freewill of their own they actually want to excercise. Some would rather have decisions made for them and that is fine for now. Those numbers are dropping in places where a higher standard of living gives the thoughtful time to take a good look around. The rest will follow eventually as they continue to be lied to, stolen from, and sent to die by those who claim to speak for God.

As we see the atrocities of fanatical Islam, we are reminded by their defenders of the atrocities of other various religions and we begin to face the undenyable truth. No religion is correct. No religion is sanctioned by God. All Religions do evil in God's name and the sooner we all give up ancient unprovable fables as justification for how bad we treat others, we'll all be a lot better off.

I'm amused that you presume to judge me (Hey! I look at porn!), as you are neither qualified nor have the authority to do so. I know right from wrong and trying to impress me with how grand your cathedral is isn't going to make me think you know better than I. You guys have been running that scam a long time now.

I'm comfortable with my spiritial well being. I wonder if you can ever say the same. Do you really think you are a sinner? Do you think you are evil and need to be forgiven? Ever thought about taking responsibility for your own actions and thoughts? Ever think about choosing not to sin? You dim your own light and entice others to do the same when you teach them this self-destructive mindset. I am sad for you and them. Have you tried forgiving yourself?

I'm glad the day is coming when people will stop letting others tell them what to believe and therefore what to think. Unlike weirdo, I don't respect Religions. I do respect your right and freewill to believe what you want, though, no matter how wrong I think it may be.

As you compose your flaming responses, if you bother, please keep in mind that you have predicted Judgement on American Soil. That is pretty flaming in itself. Getting mad at me won't change what I think. Throwing a bunch of scripture at me that I don't believe is the word of God anyway won't prove anything except that you know how to type some other human's outdated words. You seemed to be asking what was going on. I think your real question was why do fewer people believe what you believe? I thought I would tell you.

Originally posted by Adian00

Another thing, I seriously hope that your judgement of Al Queda isn't part of a larger condemnation of Islam. Islam is a beautiful religion. Al Queda is then only comparable to Christian Militants.

Adian

thanks for your reply. didn't mean to make it sound that you stood for nothing.

But no, i don't condemn Islam and I know that there are bad seeds in the Christian circles too. we need not elaborate, I'm sure you know.

I too would hope that the change coming will be good, never the less, I fear it won't. I truely feel that this punishment will be a two part but not neccesarily two seperate events- to refine the christian, like gold in fire and secondly punishment for unrepentant destructive lifestles here in America. I'm not saying that other countries will not suffer, I just believe it will begin here.