Halloween is Not "Hallowed"!!!

reply to post by Freedom of Thought


You are right, Halloween is not hallowed. Just like Christmas and Easter it has roots in the pagan world, though Christians scoff (out of ignorance) any relationship between Christmas and Easter to pagan traditions.

No, it is not hallowed, but it sure is fun. Any evil and real debachery are the products of man and a sick culture, not any boogyman called Satan. If there was a Satan, I somehow doubt he is gonna wait and operate on your simplistic holiday timelines. We humans are so dumb and egocentric, we even think all goodness and evil is about us. If there is a God and a Satan, they've both been around for eternity and humans time on their radar would not be even a spec of time across that eternity. That anyone thinks humans are so important God or the Devil cares about you, it is a simple reflection of human emotional weakness, vulnerability and egocentrism.

Originally posted by Freedom of Thought

Originally posted by woodwytch

Originally posted by Freedom of Thought
reply to post by Freedom of Thought
"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image-
any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that
is in the water under the earth" "You shall not bow down to them nor serve them"
Exodus 20: 2-4 KJV

When people dress up like demons, you are calling forth the underworld. When the one third
of all angels were kicked out of heaven for following Lucifer: they became dark angels (demons).
They are disembodied spirits, roaming the skies and earth looking for a home.
When you dress like them, they come looking for you. When you have their image in your
home, they will come there.

But I'm sure that you're an intelligent enough person to realize that, that is neither possible nor practicle ... so I have to ask ... if God existed since the beginning of all things ... because ... well ... he created all things ... who was it that worshipped the Great Creator ... the Divine Architect before the emergence of Christianity ?

"In the beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,

and The Word was God"

"All things were made through Him
and without Him
nothing was made that was made."
John 1: 1 & 3

I can see you are a closed book my friend who is happy in the pit you have dug for yourself ... you have absolutely no interest in how other people perceive the world ... you are just hellbent to preaching (pun intended) ... unfortunately it is people like your dogmatic, inflexible self who give good Christians a bad rep (oh the irony)

Have a nice life but try not to inflict your misery on those around you ... or is that the part you secretly enjoy

Woody

Originally posted by thegoodearth
This is a serious twisting of Christian theology, and one that I personally have to deal with every year, as my children play with other children happily until these festivities come up and their parents accuse my children of being Satanic because of their Trick or Treating...



Where does the Christian aspect of the holiday of Halloween come into practice? In 835, Pope Gregory IV moved the celebration for all the martyrs (later all saints) from May 13 to November 1. The night before became known as All Hallow’s Even or “holy evening.” Over time the name was shortened to the current Halloween. On November 2, the Catholic Church celebrates All Souls Day.

Many people give out money for UNICEF and other gifts for the needy on Halloween in addition to candy.


So trick or treating, really a past-time of generosity and giving to others, began as an outgrowth as nothing more than a celebration before the Holy Day of the Feast of Saints.

How is that unChristian?

en.wikipedia.org...
www.americancatholic.org...

Something I read a long time ago, (therefore don't remember where), the dressing as goblins and ghouls was to protect the children. It was believed that All Hallow's Eve was a night that demons, etc came to take children. By dressing them as such, the demons did not recognize that they were human children and the children were then saved.

Like I said, don't remember where I read it but to me it makes sense. We are used to the concept of "hiding in plain sight".

Originally posted by gallopinghordes
Every person on this beautiful ball of mud and rock we call home has the right given to him/her by the divine being to believe as their conscience or moral code dictates ..

Something seems strange here. Of the thousands and thousands of topics that are posted on ats;
any kind of comment has been accepted; including personal attacks on the poster, other people
who participate in the thread, etc. Approximately 80% of all responses are simply personal
writings, emotions (hatred, vileness, attacks, etc.) with no corresponding FACTS.

On this entire thread, I have not personally attacked any one person. No name-calling, etc.

All that has been presented has been The Word of God as presented in His Holy Scriptures.

Either you believe in God, and what He says; or you don't. It is that simple.

reply to post by Freedom of Thought


Are you accusing me of something? If so alert the complaint feature.

Other then that I do believe in God and God's word just not the interpretation of those who would use it to gain compliance or control of others. I also believe that all faiths are equal and that there are many paths to heaven your is but one as is mine.

Originally posted by Freedom of Thought

Originally posted by gallopinghordes
Every person on this beautiful ball of mud and rock we call home has the right given to him/her by the divine being to believe as their conscience or moral code dictates ..

Something seems strange here. Of the thousands and thousands of topics that are posted on ats;
any kind of comment has been accepted; including personal attacks on the poster, other people
who participate in the thread, etc. Approximately 80% of all responses are simply personal
writings, emotions (hatred, vileness, attacks, etc.) with no corresponding FACTS.

On this entire thread, I have not personally attacked any one person. No name-calling, etc.

All that has been presented has been The Word of God as presented in His Holy Scriptures.

Either you believe in God, and what He says; or you don't. It is that simple.

You don't think you've been insulting to those of Pagan beliefs ... As you sow, So shall ye reap

Woody

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FOT, while I disagree with your quotations as they pertain to Halloween, I have to ENTIRELY agree that all you have done is quote scripture and many people have been entirely offended by it and drawn all kinds of assumptions from it, and taken it very personally.

That must be very entertaining to you? I would be cracking up at the offenses taken by people when you have simply posted verses with no commentary to qualifiy it.

I read the same quotes that they read, I found them irrelavent and thus ignored them, but others seem to have been deeply and personally offended. How can one be offended by a bible verse?

Very entertaining. Good Play. Keep it up and see how far they will look into themselves and apply blame to you. When one reads something, and takes offense, and lashes back at the poster, it indicates deep-seeded guilt or heightened sensitivity due to personal experience in that area. I think you are providing much needed introspection, catharsis, and therapy without saying a word. Very entertaining.

reply to post by Freedom of Thought


That doesn't even make sense in the context of what I said. Apparently, all you can do is quote scripture. It's nice to know the church has not changed in the 15 years since I left it.

You are the type of christian that isn't even capable of listening to other's arguments because you think in some twisted sense of morality that only your opinion is right because you think you can back it up with scripture. Not everyone takes the bible as seriously as you do and many believe it to be nothing more than an important anthropological text through which to study a previous culture. So, your quoting it means nothing other than you cannot formulate your own argument.

I'll state it again. You don't like Halloween, don't celebrate it, and I promise not to show up on your doorstep on Easter morning with a pamphlet exposing just what it is that you are celebrating.

What a shame. I love Halloween. My favorite holiday.
Self righteous bible thumpers...not so much.

"Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable in your sight."
Psalm 19:14

See, I can quote random bible verses too!
Are you confused why I did it? Welcome to our world.

Originally posted by gallopinghordes
reply to post by Freedom of Thought

 

Are you accusing me of something? If so alert the complaint feature.

Other then that I do believe in God and God's word just not the interpretation of those who would use it to gain compliance or control of others. I also believe that all faiths are equal and that there are many paths to heaven your is but one as is mine.

What is with you people.? This is the second time someone thinks they have been accused of
something.
Aaaahhh. the complaint department. You know, somehow I think there are a lot of people who use that:
especially if they have been on the ats site for a long time; perhaps the moderators pay more attention
to them than a 'newbie'.

Now: back to the accusation of yours . Nowhere did I "interpret" scripture. All that was done was
The Word of God as it is written in The Bible was presented.

Your personal reaction and/or response to what God Almighty has written is just that. It is your response.
I did not attack you, nor call you names. I simply presented what God has written through the Holy Spirit.

Now, if you are at a restaurant, and order a filet mignon. The waiter brings it, serves it to you, and lo and behold
you don't like it. The person of interest there would be the cook; not the messenger.

You are welcome to check out all Scripture presented and verify, that indeed, they were presented
accurately. There were no add-ons, no 'personal' interpretations. Just simple facts.
If you are upset by what God is saying, then perhaps you should be speaking to Him about why you
are upset with Him.

reply to post by Freedom of Thought


Ahh my friend I see where this is going. Quote the bible all you want and enjoy it. Have a wonderful day.

I love God and if I had issues with God well that's between me and God. I just don't like hypocrites.

OK, I have to revoke my support of Freedom of Thought after re-reading the 1st page.

Those first couple of posts were pretty kooky! Katrina was God's punishment for Mardi Gras? Demons are invited into your home if you dress up like a Fireman or a Skeleton or a Princess on Halloween?

Where are all the yearly catastrophes for NoLa? They have Mardi Gras every year and only 1 Katrina.
Where are all the possessed children? Halloween comes every year, and I don't see an onslaught of Demonic possessions?

My house is full of skulls and biker gear and ominous looking stuff. You know what my 4 year old told me this week? He said his "pet monster" was afraid to come downstairs, because he was afraid of me! This happened because my 2 year old didn't want to sleep in his room because of monsters. I took him by the hand and said, "lets go talk to them." We marched into the room, and we said, "Monsters! This is Jasper's Room! If you want to stay here, you better be nice, otherwise you will have to face me!" Then Jasper (the 2 year old repeated, "Monsters, this is my room! Be nice, or leave, or I will get DaDa!"

What seemed like a stupid thread is getting more entertaining by the minute! Stupid conclusions drawn on all sides of a stupid argument? I can't wait to see where this goes. BTW: Halloween is still just an entertaining event for economic gains in an economically controlled environment where "religious" holidays just happen to fall once per month and come equipped with lots of customized seasonal merchandise.

Originally posted by Freedom of Thought

More children are abducted and killed on this night than any
other night in the year.

Do you have any stats to back this up? because I couldn't find any!

You really think that the best time to kidnap a child is when they are with big groups of other children and parents and theres more people walking around at night then usual?

At the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, based in Virginia, the phones ring every October with calls from parents saying they've heard there's an increase in child kidnappings around Halloween. Not so. The center says stranger abductions are particularly low in October.

source

I think maybe you should brush up on how to correctly post here.

However, I do thank you for reiterating my last post twice. Means I struck a nerve.

I am noticing all these Holier then thou, threads are coming from semi, new users. I mean what the heck, your posting Op, that we are not Christians or believe in god, because we go trick or treating? Or goto a Halloween party? Ok fine so what.. All these people on ATS nowadays when it comes to the truth of Religions seem so hellbent on beating it down our throats, from members swearing up and down the truth in life is love, lead with love everything will be fixed in life, "Including the primal animal Kingdom" To the lacerations of the tongue denouncing people's goodness over a holiday in October.

A very wise person would have never posted this thread.
a wise person would have learned after the first page.

Just another cat's meow.

I love Halloween and was worried when I moved to my current community that is heavily full of church folk that it would be less popular here. I was happy to see that was not the case at all. Halloween like Christmas, Easter and Valentines day are a mix of Christian and Pagan holidays taken over by commecialism. At this point it is only less popular the Christmas. I am already preparing for tons of ticker treaters and looking for a costume for some parties. I wish the op a happy Halloween, maybe you should give it a try.

Originally posted by glitch88
reply to post by Freedom of Thought

 

That doesn't even make sense in the context of what I said. Apparently, all you can do is quote scripture. It's nice to know the church has not changed in the 15 years since I left it.

You are the type of christian that isn't even capable of listening to other's arguments because you think in some twisted sense of morality that only your opinion is right because you think you can back it up with scripture. Not everyone takes the bible as seriously as you do and many believe it to be nothing more than an important anthropological text through which to study a previous culture. So, your quoting it means nothing other than you cannot formulate your own argument.

Well, Pal, I'm glad to hear you left 'the church' 15 years ago. Whatcha been doing in the meantime?
Seriously, it would do you no good to hear any 'opinion' of mine. I am not the one who is going to be
standing at the judgment gate when people depart this world; and the determination will be made where
they will spend eternity. Actually, there is no human being on earth whose opinion matters.
There was, a long time ago, one. His name was Jesus. He is the only one who matters, and that is why
all that is important for all time is what He says. He is the only one who ever came down from Heaven,
and then returned there.
As I said in one of my posts: I have lost many friends to the forces of darkness. Their lives will never be
the same. As I look back, it all started with 'little'' things. The things that 'society' says are harmless.
All I have done is present what Jesus has said. No add-ons. No personal attacks to anyone. If HIS
Words offend someone, then they need to take that offense up with the person who said it: JESUS
Personally, I'm not going to fight with the man.
I have no "argument" with you. All I am doing is presenting what The Creator of the universe has said He
would like to see His children do.

reply to post by Freedom of Thought


I love Sacred Scripture and the Bible.
However what you are doing right now is taking exact verses of the Sacred Scripture and then interpreting them to suit your purposes. Your fallible interpretation of a select few verses of Biblical text to advance the theory you present, and no doubt, the theory of your congregation.
This is also why when one Googles the word Halloween, there are dozens of differing opinions on the matter. Everyone's fallible interpretation of the Bible, all coming from the same good Book, the Bible. Everyone says their interpretation is the correct one. Who is right?
Same thing happens with Rapture theory, in my opinion.