It is a dangerous idea on the part of Jobbik sympathizers to connect Gypsies with Jews as "non-Hungarians." The Gypsies ARE a separate ethnic group,
many are bilingual, a tribal nation with two indigenous languages (one is related to Hindi, and the other is an archaic form of Romanian) who
physically look different from average Hungarians (dark skin, dark hair, accent and tribal customs). Whereas Jewry looks at itself as Hungarian,
moreover, a good part of the intelligentsia, media, writers, artists, and a few moneymen but not much.
Sociologically speaking, during the terror times of the Arrow Cross (1944 mainly), Hungary has beheaded its own elite who spoke Hungarian but
professed Jewish religious roots. This should never happen again. And it is debated whether there is any genetic proof to the purported unity of
people descended from Israel thousands of years ago. There are at least two tpes of Jews here: one of Sephardic/Spanish origin, and the Khazar or
Eastern European types that mostly immigrated during the last few centuries as tradesmen. (Plus a few groups in Transylvania that converted to
However, the Roma question is altogether different. Even though both of these groups were targeted to annihilation by the Arrow Cross and the German
occupation at the end of WW2. These tribal folks were almost integrated under Soviet rule, but the system change (1989) pretty much put an end to
that. They usually represent the lowest poverty pockets and extortion mafias, with some aristocratic "musician" lineages. I think there is no solution
to the Gypsy problem unless Hungary adopts a different system from neoliberalism. Under which they became a totally alienated ghettoised underclass
They look at Hungarians as "white people," this is the word they use (fehér or magyar). They are under the dictatum of tribal chiefs who would never
dream of giving up one of their members to the police even if those committed a serious crime, That is how far their tribal ethics extend.
With Jews, it is the opposite. Many Hungarian scientists that won Nobel prizes and those that worked in the creation of the atomic bomb were Hungarian
Jews, usually secular but culturally tied to Jewry. so were famous writers, musicians, media personalities, journalists, sponsors of modern arts
Sociologically, it is frequent that Hungarian Jewry has co-operated with Soviet power for a while, entering the ranks of the Communist Party, naively
believing that "the enemy of my enemy (the Nazis) will be my friend." In fact, one of the most notorious dictators (Mr. Rakosi) in the 1950's Soviet
rule was Jewish (but a secular Marxist of course).
These days sometimes this mixed heritage leads to a sort of paranoid fear of nationalism among Jews and stronger ties to Israel. A resurgence of
religion can be observed among the descendants of Judaism. Our Nobel Prize Winner Kertész is a secular Jew and wrote about the Holocaust and lives in
Berlin. I think his book is great BTW.
All this contributes to the split, and I think Jobbik's policy of posing these two groups as "non-Hungarian" TOGETHER sounds pretty fascist to me,
even though sometimes it is only their portals that give you the truth about some anti-neoliberal agenda issues... the sad fact is that even people
sympathizing with Truthers are cast here as extreme right-wing. In the mainstream media you cannot mention the possibility that 911 was an inside job.
You are immediately branded as an exptreme right winger who hates Jews and thinks that Hungarians are descendants of Attila the Hun (which is highly
questionable historically anyway, and would not be a desirable position in Hungarian history...)
Hungary has no shortage of geniuses - for example Bolyai, the inventor of spherical geometry was Hungarian from Transylvania.
BTW, another trauma that adds to the above is that in the Versailles Treaty, Hungary lost two thirds of its territory, with all the major mines and
railroads going to the enemy's hands, where still millions of Hungarian-speaking people lived. Nowadays, Hungarians constitute the single largest
foreign ethnic majority in Slovakia and Romania... Where else in the EU do you have indigenous millions of inhabitants closed up in foreign countries
that need of must to learn the language of the state they live in (and are sometimes punished if they merely speak Hungarian on the street)?
A complicated question, perhaps only enlightenment can be a solution to these tangled historical insights. What I am sure of is that no anti-semitism
can be a valid doctrine in Hungary under whatever name... This country has not gone through the rigorous self-examination as regards Nazism that
Germany has. The whole issue of killing off Hungarian Jewry by the hundred thousands was swept under the carpet by the Soviet colonial regime (which
lied that it was "Socialist."
A schizophrenic country whre you could never say what was the most obvious collective truth for several generations. A country that needs healing
edit on 9/26/2010 by Kokatsi because: mainly spelling, a couple of clarification clauses