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Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by saabacura
I'll read up on that thread!! Thanks for the link..
duality needs intelligence.
The title of your thread is duality creates logic and intelligence and now you state that intelligence is needed for duality to exist??
Either one is the product of the other.....
So duality doesn't need intelligence. Intelligence needs duality....or better intelligence is the result of duality
Peace
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by saabacura
Awareness is something and therefore cannot exist in nothing.
That's a pretty hard paradox to shake.
Originally posted by saabacura
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by saabacura
Awareness is something and therefore cannot exist in nothing.
That's a pretty hard paradox to shake.
Yeah... I thought so too like you.
But i came to realize that Awareness is not something.
Originally posted by muftanan
reply to post by saabacura
I kind of agree with you here that awareness is not "something." This awareness transcends our notions or time, space, even existence, etc. Therefore, in a way, the awareness is infinite, yet one, everywhere, yet nowhere. I'm not trying to say there's duality involved. Our rules of logic begin to break down at this point I guess. It kind of goes back to your idea of this awareness being before the beginning of everything/anything. It just isn't like anything else--even nothingness.
I don't know if that makes any sense.
Awareness comes before duality and "inteligence".... Intelligence is only a mean to chooose between Yes or No..
Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by saabacura
saabacura,
Awareness comes before duality and "inteligence".... Intelligence is only a mean to chooose between Yes or No..
Shouldn't that be "perceived intelligence"??
Awareness indeed comes before intelligence but duality.....
Imagine a thought. Before this thought manifested in your head it belonged to an infinite string of thoughts and non-thoughts. All options are open as long as the thought does not manifest. We are not aware of this non-thought because it is still everything and nothing.
When we become aware of a thought a decision on the form of this thought was already made unconsciously (how else could we become aware of it?). We are free to play with and re-form this thought but the initial thought that you became aware of was already formed on the basis of duality.
At least that is how I imagine it....
Peace
PS: reading my own incoherent babbling I have come to the conclusion that the title of this thread should:" Before the beginning of everything, there was just an unawareness"
[edit on 29-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]
I am drunk
Originally posted by heyJude
Originally posted by saabacura
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by saabacura
Awareness is something and therefore cannot exist in nothing.
That's a pretty hard paradox to shake.
Yeah... I thought so too like you.
But i came to realize that Awareness is not something.
Awareness is perceiving.
Originally posted by blujay
reply to post by saabacura
Before Awareness there was Infinity.
Infinity became aware. Infinity/God/All that Is wanted to experience It Self. We are that Infinity, experiencing our selves objectively. Now do you see how truly magnificent you are ...... as you observe your self, from the form of your SELF, that your self is observing?
We are God also. Done. Enlightenment at it's very simplest.
Divinity is Simplicity.
Originally posted by spy66
Originally posted by blujay
reply to post by saabacura
Before Awareness there was Infinity.
Infinity became aware. Infinity/God/All that Is wanted to experience It Self. We are that Infinity, experiencing our selves objectively. Now do you see how truly magnificent you are ...... as you observe your self, from the form of your SELF, that your self is observing?
We are God also. Done. Enlightenment at it's very simplest.
Divinity is Simplicity.
Infinity is a constant. If infinity is a constant how could awareness come second?
How can infinity have developed Awareness if it has no reason to change?
Originally posted by 547000
I like the materialist explanation better: first there was nothing, which exploded.
Originally posted by heyJude
Nothingness is hard to imagine.
Most people think "darkness", but it's not.
Darkness is something.
Think before you were born, that was nothing.
Originally posted by saabacura
I can live with thinking that an awareness is something. Then my title should be "before the beginning of everything, there was just something/awareness"
Originally posted by spy66
Originally posted by 547000
I like the materialist explanation better: first there was nothing, which exploded.
I have a question for you:
Can nothing exist
If it does, what would it look like and what would it be able to do?
I know what nothingness looks like, can you display a image of nothingness to us here on ATS?
[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]