Before serious engagement in this thread I must first introduce the name of Desmond Ford, a theological giant in the Seventh-day Adventist
Denomination, a bit too much of a giant to be long tolerated within a parochial group. I bring up his name in order to give him full credit for
"The Apotelesmatic Priciple"
with respect to prophecy interpretation.
Ford has expounded the "apotelesmatic principle" - that there can be multiple fulfillments of prophecy. He no longer supports the year-day principle
of prophetic interpretation, although he had supported it earlier in his commentary on Daniel.
If you read the wikipedia article, you will note the mention of Robert Brinsmead, a lay theologian also from Australia. I was among his group, after
he dropped the perfectionism and was concentrating on teaching Justification by Faith as opposed to concepts of righteousness through sanctification
as taught in the SDA denomination at the time, more similar to Roman Catholic doctrine than Protestant.
"In April a group of church leaders and theologians including Ford met in Palmdale, California to discuss the meaning of righteousness by
faith. Ford was the "center of attention", and the resulting document known as the "Palmdale statement".
In early 1980, on my way to the Philippines, I stopped by the California office of Brinsmead's Magazine and had a chat with the associate editor. A
chat most likely recorded without my knowledge or consent. It consisted mainly of my views on Covenant Theology and certain inconsistencies I had
detected in Brinsmead's Theology.
In 1983, upon returning from the Philippines, I attended a Brinsmead seminar in which his "new and improved" views were presented. Certain notables
were slapping me on the back for being the one responsible for the new views. But to my shock, I discovered the views to not be mine, but rather views
adopted in order to side-step my views. That's the last dealings I had with that group.
Just a little note: underline mine.
He believed Paul tried unsuccessfully to unite the two groups (Romans 14:5-7). This historical approach led him to reject the Sabbath. He published
Sabbatarianism Re-examined in 1981 attacking the Sabbath. This led to a response by Desmond Ford, and then further dialogue between the pair in
Spectrum magazine. Ford described it as the strongest case against the Sabbath he had ever seen, also describing Brinsmead as "a very intelligent
I'm the guy he got that "strongest case against the Sabbath he [Ford] had ever seen" from. And no, my name does not appear in the article, or in
That little autobio should put you on your guard, for I do possess some small skill in polemics, and since I am now an apostate and a pagan
(outsider), I am in a position to direct my skills toward Christianity itself. My intention is not to overthrow Christianity or replace it with
something else, but rather to point out the great danger it is faced with today.
According to Ford's apotelesmatatic principle, prophecies are repeatedly fulfilled, not exactly the same way, so one to one comparisons are not
required or even desired in issues concerned with the present. It is part of the nature of Christianity that each generation views itself as the last
generation, the generation that looks forward to witnessing the "final climax", the "end of history". I believe that Jesus set it up that way, and
intends for it to be that way. With this view, the Church then has a sense of urgency, and should continuously be re-examining itself for the inroads
of harmful error.
Growth and maturity in understanding are to be encouraged
1CO 3:5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe--as the Lord has assigned to each his task.
6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. 7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes
things grow. 8 The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 9 For we are God's
fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.
Corruptions and turning away to other Christ's are to be exposed. It is well that the OP has identified the temple of God as the believers
individually and collectively. For I shall endeavor to point out two false temples. One that calls itself Christian but is not, and the other which
the first is attempting to have made out of stone.
Let's deal with 666 right off the bat. No calculations, no fancy decoding, just a quick word search will do.
1KI 10:14 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents, 15 not including the revenues from merchants and traders and from
all the Arabian kings and the governors of the land."
1KI 10:23 King Solomon was greater in riches and wisdom than all the other kings of the earth. 24 The whole world sought audience with Solomon to
hear the wisdom God had put in his heart. 25 Year after year, everyone who came brought a gift--articles of silver and gold, robes, weapons and
spices, and horses and mules.
In further posts I shall endeavor to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Christian Zionism is the anti-Christ of today, and that their mad schemes of
having a stone temple built in Jerusalem endangers the existence of all life on earth. If you detect my manner of speech as accusatory, you are
correct in assuming that I am the accuser in this instance. But I do not accuse the true temple of God, but rather the false.
With that, I shall retire for now.
[edit on 24-8-2010 by pthena]