Imagine if you can, everything you begin to see, in the so called"entertainment" industry, including MSM, and used neuro linguistic methods. How many fallacies can you spot?

I think if knowing these things, we can actually begin to see not only motive, but future events unfold right before our eyes. We think that whistle blowers are few and in between, but when you begin to see the "signs" we are more informed than you think.

Peace.

That is too funny, you see this a lost on CNN.

Also, Michael Tsarion has many interesting videos on youtube.

Check him out.

I only watched the last video as it had to do with print design, something that I do myself sometimes making advertising for clubs and I have also written a few published articles for magazines.

The things that this guy describes are just totally unfeasible, first of all a magazine has different departments some people write the copy (the articles for the magazine) someone else writes the headlines, someone else is responsible for the cover image etc etc etc.
If what this guy says is true then the whole of the magazines work force from the copy writers to the photographers to the printers would all have to be involved in a massive conspiracy just so that you think Mariah Carey looks thin, when in reality the people that made the cover of that magazine probably couldn't give a damn if you think she is thin or not, they just want to go home and play with the dog like everyone else.

Secondly when the guy comes up with his 97% transparency in photoshop, it's obvious that he has never ever sent anything to a printers before in his life, printing is a very imprecise thing and colors, tones etc etc change from one print batch to the next meaning if you put anything as subtle as that in an image and then print it the chances are it would only appear on a few of the print runs and would be completely gone by the end.
If I get a print run of 10000 flyers made up for a club then the color variances between them is astounding (and no I'm not just using a bad printer, thats just what printing is like)

He says that "now" is the only word in the paragraph that is right justified, when in reality the whole paragraph is right justified, thats why it is all lined up along the right edge.

I can assure you that you don't need to be part of the NWO to get a job as a Graphic designer on a magazine.

Flagged, as it is an interesting subject of which I think many people are unaware.
I've been paying attention to this subject since reading "Subliminal Seduction", way back in the '70's. (Maybe it's available online, fun read.)
Anyway, it's amazing to watch someone "catch on", once you explain what 'they' have just done to you in one of these instances, be it a commercial or whatever, that 'they' slap you in the face with.
My own opinion of the technique is obviously low, even given the artistic and ingenious methods they employ... it still seems like shooting fish in a barrel, and a sneaky trick, at that.

this is one of the best post ive ever read on ats. ive noticed what reporters do in interviews but never fully analyzed it. but i disagree about what he said about steven colbert.his show is a comedy show not a news program. he is actually a liberal pretending to be conservative in contrast to jhon stewart. so i guess its disinformation for any conservative that watches his show. which is good if your a liberal

Originally posted by davespanners

If what this guy says is true then the whole of the magazines work force from the copy writers to the photographers to the printers would all have to be involved in a massive conspiracy just so that you think Mariah Carey looks thin, when in reality the people that made the cover of that magazine probably couldn't give a damn if you think she is thin or not, they just want to go home and play with the dog like everyone else.

I can assure you that you don't need to be part of the NWO to get a job as a Graphic designer on a magazine.

I too am a graphic designer and could not agree more. He conveniently didn't have high-res scans of the nonsense he was pointing out. He blatantly lied about the right vs left justification. The layout artists have a lot of content to pack into a small space... they just want to get it done and send it off to the printers. They're not plotting mind-control conspiracies on the covers of beauty magazines.

Star for you No Regrets, great post. We should all understand how we are being manipulated, although even that will not make us totally immune.
I am also a graphic designer, and in college one of my required 1st year visual communication courses covered all of this stuff. I found the class wonderfully amusing, as it totally confirmed my suspicions that subliminal techniques were being used by the media.
You do not need to be a member of the new world order to work in advertising. It just pays to understand how to manipulate the audience's subconscious mind in order to sell products (or ideas). Using sex, other primal urges and emotion to convince the subconscious mind is not new either, it is just becoming more insidious. Read "Visual Methodologies" for an in depth intro into the psychology behind it.

The last video posted by the OP is a pretty poor example, unlike the first two. I find it amusing that Broll and Dave have used it to try to discredit the topic. I don't think this one is up for debate. You can deny it if you like. You only have to see what you want to.

I have noticed that especially lately it is hard to figure out what is real or not. To me, it appears as if all of our values are now tied into the entertainment industry and media. Critical thinking is a thing of the past, I'm afraid. Will anyone actually know the real truth ever again?

I'm not necessarily talking about subliminal messages, but the insane rate at which illogical thoughts are blasted at our heads. It becomes impossible, at least for me, to stop each one and analyze it because they come too fast.

Look at the newscaster in the 9/11 video for example, he is shaping public opinion by stating as fact his opinion that the evidence is evident to the conspiracy "nut" as he calls him because he is a conspiracy nut. This short-circuits our brains into thinking illogically and not considering the evidence. And there is more, he mentions anchoring.

I notice things like this happening way too often in our media.

I believe at this rate, in the future, fads will become like morals. I say at this rate because things always have a way of changing. I prefered things the way they were naturally once.

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Thank You ! Great post ! I am constantly telling people they are being shafted and what they see and hear is not what it is... This is used by all media and advertising on a daily basis ! Education like this post is more needed !

Debate is not a conspiracy. Hannity / Fox isn't News, it's a debate channel. The only reason the get away with their crappy debate tactics is because they control the medium. If Hannity were ever in a real debate with a controlled forum with educated judges, he would lose.

The show is designed this way because that's production. That's entertainment. The only "conspiracy" is to make fans of the show happy and turn a profit.

Hannity is not some master mind magician sorcerer. He's an arrogant jerk who's got a knack at bossing people around in his own forum.

Subliminal messages are worst thing i can imagine , yeah true there are much worse crimes at first, but let's think little about it even God gave us freedom to choose what we think is right and to think for ourselves and now MSM is trying to take away , hopefully i don't live in USA so i am not so much exposed to this but i have fear of HAARP.

So someone thinks that FOX don't use subliminal messages ? If they don't then nobody uses.

Documentary is great i hope to see full version of it

Great thread one of better lately S&F

I kind of like this kind of stuff, like a guy is teaching conspiracy theory and somehow, there's a conspiracy to cover a conspiracy that couldn't have been a conspiracy in the first place, and something to do with "thermite", yadda, yadda, yadda. If you've ever handled thermite you'd know that if you used enough thermite to take out the twin towers, that place would still be hot!. Here's the big conspiracy, we're all angry monkeys and just don't feel to good about the world the way it is these days, but cheer up people, we're living in the good times! It's going to get REALLY bad here, REALLY soon, and it doesn't really matter cause the human race is a walking dead man that doesn't know it yet! Go outside, drink a brew with the folks next door and forget about it for a while. A new monster, a new crisis, a new worry is coming with the next sunrise, just like always, and just like always, the human race will find some way to hose that stuff up too!, aw forget about it!

I'd like to react to that last video, where some guy points out hidden messages in Glamour magazines. Now, I do not live in the US, but nevertheless I instantly grabbed two Glamour magazines we had in our language, one from 2006 and one from 2008. When I started to inspect the front pages more accurately, I saw the word 'sex' spelled out as well.

However, I doubt the extend to which these words can influence us. The voice-over uses words like 'mind control' and 'manipulation' for example, but I've carried out experiments that used subliminal messaging in a laboratory setting. In those situations, subliminal messages work, they excert their influence. But I do not believe that my nonconscious mind picks up the words pointed out on Glamour magazines. There are too much distractions.

I understand why such a magazine would do it. It's worth the try, isn't it? But in my opinion, the influence of these messages is overstated. I don't think there is much influence from them, if any. And besides, I don't think that subliminal messaging is as commonly used as the voice-over sais. Daily life isn't filled with subliminal messages, and even if it is, it's hardly working.

I quote John A. Bargh here:

SOMETIMES, subliminal messages are not perceived at all, in which case they have no priming effect. Just because a stimulus is not consciously perceived does not mean that it was, in fact, subliminally perceived. Subliminal effects can be demonstrated in a laboratory in which a subject's attention is carefully focused and no distractions exist, but the busy, noisy world outside of that laboratory is a very different story.

John A. Bargh is a professor of psychology at New York University and the author of The Automaticity of Everyday Life (Erlbaum, 1997)


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