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Why US Government disclosure on UFOs will never happen.

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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:34 PM
I found an excellent blog that sums it up rather nicely. But here is my personal list.

1) It's more than likely that elements within the U.S. Government has used UFOs as a cover for covert weapons testing and etc.

2) I doubt they know much more than we do. Just a bigger database of question marks upon which to draw upon. Perhaps.

3) This one ties in with #2. The U.S. Government would never admit that there was an enigmatic power out there that can easily bypass our best technology. It's admitting weakness.

4) I doubt "they" are talking to us if "they" are here at all. To quote Michio Kaku:

"lets say we have an ant hill in the middle of the forest. And right next to the ant hill their building a 10 lane super highway. and the question is "would the ants be able to understand what a ten lane super highway is? Would the ants be able to understand the technology, the intentions of beings building the highway next to the ants? Lets say you go down to the ants and you say to the ants "I bring you trinkets. I bring you beads. I bring you knowledge. I bring you nuclear energy. I bring you dna technology. I bring you utopium. take me to your leader." Is that what you say when you bump into ants? No. Most ppl simply, step on a few of them. Now if we are really a type 0 civilization, and beings of a type 3 civilization can soar across hyperspace, they are perhaps millions of years more advanced than us. the distance between us and ants, would be the same comparable distance between a type 3 and a type 0 civilization. In other words, we are so arrogant, we're so conceited, that we say "They MUST visit us." We're so important that they are going to interrupt all their business, just so they can come to us and give us a little bit of super technology."

- Dr. Michio Kaku


But that's what I can think of off the top of my head. Here's the article.
Why U. S. Gov’t. UFO Disclosure Will Never Happen… And Why Not To Trust It If It Does

“To me, there is only one way to test the credibility of any U.S. government official who calls for and announces disclosure, and that is if he or she also calls for our best scientists and metaphysicians to begin examining what is really going on, while also announcing the prosecution of those who have used the phenomenon as a cover or as other means for illegal, unconstitutional or immoral activities.”


To be continued on next post......

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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:34 PM

Though I’ve covered the UFO thing in previous casts, I bring it up again because it’s cropping up in the news right now and causing a bit of a stir on the Web– that is if you follow such things. Back when I was a practicing journalist, I was involved in one assignment to do just that: investigate the subject of UFOs. So I’ll take off my shamanic hat for a moment and grab the old Underwood typewriter to file this updated report.

Right now, the net is all abuzz about so-called “disclosure,” so here’s my headline…

Why US Gov’t UFO Disclosure Will Never Happen…

And Why Not To Trust It If It Does

We’ll start with Disclosure.

This year, a number of high profile proponents, ranging from a former astronaut with credibility to those on the UFO talk-circuit without much credibility, have called for and even speculated about the imminent announcement from the U.S. government, perhaps even from President Obama, that will disclose all of its supposed secrets about what it knows about UFOs.

Oh, it certainly is titillating to think the government will reveal amazing and startling facts about official contact with extraterrestrials and all of that, but the fact is, the government has already made a tacit disclosure at least. And it will probably go no further.

Back in the 1960s, the Air Force said a small percentage of the UFO sightings it investigated could not be explained. That was known as the Project Blue Book, and it certainly provided proof that the government knew something was going on.

Moreover, on countless occasions, the government has obliquely acknowledged some sort of phenomenon by saying that whatever it is, it has so far posed no threat to the nation’s security. I got my own confirmation of that right from a top lawyer in the US Senate. His boss, US Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia was then chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and also had tremendous influence in helping to fund the US Army’s program in remote viewing.

So, disclosure has already happened! And, I believe, any further disclosure would ultimately reveal less about extraterrestrial activities than about terrestrial secrets and shenanigans.

We discovered that at the Human Potential Foundation during the time that its main benefactor, Mr. Laurance Rockefeller, had started his approach to the Clinton White House with a call for disclosure. It became more and more apparent that the government, should it disclose all it knows about UFOs, would lay the groundwork for the potential identification of many within the government who are thought to have used the phenomenon as a cover for nefarious purposes.

And if that should happen, it would also reveal government secrets that probably are best kept secret. Not about aliens or off planet exotic technology, but about the nation’s infrastructure and personnel who legitimately gather information to help protect the nation’s security.

This is a sticky subject, for sure, and touches on the whole area of how much spying the government does, and whether it is maintained within constitutional constraints. And it has to do with how the government may use the cover of UFOs as a way to continue its own research into the development of exotic technology and weapons.

So, despite what is now overwhelming evidence from millions of eyewitnesses, including military personnel, professional pilots, theologians, and average citizens in nearly every country in the world who have actually encountered the phenomenon in one way or another, me included, the governments of many of these countries have used UFOs as a cover for various activities having nothing to do with the subject.

The governments are happy to perpetrate and perpetuate the UFO myth as a way to test exotic aircraft and other technology currently in development while knowing that average people who happen to see them will report them as being UFOs, and that the general population will then dismiss the whole thing as coming from kooks and weirdos. Thus, continued testing may advance unimpeded and undetected.

And UFOs also have propaganda value. A country could gain a psychological advantage over rivals if it leaks out that it is in possession of powerful new technology that any other country should be wary of, with the potential result that it may have preemptive strength and force projection.

Now, beyond acknowledging the existence of some sort of phenomenon by telling us that the phenomenon has not posed a threat to the national security, what else could the government say? Outright disclosure, should it involve the dual acknowledgment of the ET hypothesis and a superior technology that could seriously challenge or even overwhelm the country’s defense systems, could lead to societal chaos and the breakdown of its institutions. According to a Brookings Institution Report from way back in the 1960s, disclosure could reveal that our science is next to worthless, so the first institutions to implode would be the scientific ones. And let’s face it, to many people, science is today’s religion.

As a sidebar, it is interesting that many people thought disclosure would destroy religions first, but it’s apparent now that at least one religion has made a preemptive public relations strike against that thought by announcing that it is open to the possibility of the existence of off-planet intelligent life. That is courtesy of the Vatican. It recently sponsored a conference on astrobiology, and once again hinted at the possibility of alien life. It made similar announcements back in the 1990s and in 2001.

It is apparent from history that successful religions are those able to change and morph over time in order to survive, even if it requires changing its most cherished doctrines and dogma, and perhaps even if it requires changing what was thought to be the unalterable word of God.

Fact is, most of Earth’s largest religions originated around a central concept of sky gods to begin with, so one would expect them to be able to eventually acknowledge that fact!

Here’s the final reason, related to the previous points, as to why I don’t think disclosure will ever happen:

In studies undertaken at Rockefeller’s now defunct Human Potential Foundation, publically available research indicated or alleged that U.S. government research into mind control and associated weapons development, the so-called “crown jewels” of off-books black projects, as well as possible duplicitous involvement in any number of untoward activities stemming from that research by some upper level officials in both the government and private sectors, was also cleverly incorporated into the UFO arena for the convenience of obfuscation and camouflage.

I have no direct knowledge of who or what programs may be involved, other than what is publicly available, but there is no doubt that if this is correct, whoever they are, if there is a “they,” don’t want to get caught.

So, even partial disclosure, i.e. official direct recognition of the phenomenon, is unlikely, as it would invite scrutiny of many associated areas that could reveal “a truth too terrible to bear.” Only when the last of the perpetrators have died will disclosure be possible, and that is assuming that no such activity is going on now, an unlikely prospect.

Thus, the UFO phenomenon and the “big lie” exist as parts of a whole, never to be separated, and always in stasis. To reveal one invites the revelation of the other.

Please note: This is not intended as a blanket condemnation of all people in the American or any other government. Only a very small cabal is involved in these activities, and I believe the good people in our government, the true Americans, will eventually root out these “perps.” Then, perhaps, can true disclosure occur, but only if it will include the revelation of all of these Dark Side components.

Okay, so What If Disclosure Occurs?

No matter what form it takes, whether referring to old UFO encounters like Roswell, or something newer, one must maintain the highest skepticism, should a disclosure announcement be made. The phenomenon has simply been used too often to camouflage other things not involving UFOs.

And, assuming that at least five decades of U.S. government and quasi-government mind control research has produced certain methods/technologies/approaches to influence populations, one should be highly skeptical of any official acknowledgment of disclosure, especially if it is accompanied by an active demonstration of alien sentient or technological presence on the planet.

Manipulative technology certainly exists on planet Earth which could convince the eye that ET is flying the skies. Holographic special effects have existed for decades and is commonplace. Like, can you say “Avatar?” What a movie, eh?

And it sure seems the so-called Roswell “crash” had far more to do with the Cold War than with ET.

So, unless or until ET visits your neighborhood and sips tea with you, you do not have to believe what CNN or the “cabal” within the U.S. government or any other government wants you to believe. And who knows, it could be that non-governmental groups are attempting to stage an event in order to influence governments. It’s all pretty murky.

And if you have already encountered this phenomenon, then you already know that it is vastly more complicated than what an official announcement will likely acknowledge, even if such an announcement may bring vindication to some of what you’ve already known. Simply assume that disclosure is occurring for more reasons than altruism, and is serving more purposes than we can know.

To be continued.....

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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:36 PM

To me, there is only one way to test the credibility of any U.S. government official who calls for and announces disclosure, and that is if he or she also calls for our best scientists and metaphysicians to begin examining what is really going on, while also announcing the prosecution of those who have used the phenomenon as a cover or as other means for illegal, unconstitutional or immoral activities.

And when do you think THAT would ever happen?


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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:51 PM

That was an interesting post. Thanks.

Were "disclosure" to ever happen though (0% chance), it'd still be a major event. Either way you look at it (ETs or conspiratorial cover-up), people would be running around, setting their hair on fire like crazy. Can you imagine the traffic in the new ATS forum devoted to our new friends and/or the conspiracy that it's not real? Actually, I guess it would be business as usual.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:51 PM
Thanks for your line of honest reasoning. For the most part I agree with what you agree with. Especially the notion that it's an almost certainty that the perception of "aliens" as being one that constitutes some form of relative or mutual, albeit advanced, intelligence.

One almost has to start thinking in concepts rather than linear reason to speculate as to what the vast differences that are possible with respect to various beings. Simply put, we just don't have a clue UNLESS we choose to "believe" non verified sources of information.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:54 PM
Interesting theories, with an equal chance of guessing right as any other.

Most of these have been postulated many times in the past here and elsewhere.

Along with your conjecture I might add that visiting aliens may simply be so disgusted by our collective behavior that they abhor even the thought of helping us evolve out of our own morass.

Consider a benign, curious, altruistic race of sentient travelers coming upon humanity for a quick look-see. The way we treat each other and our own planet Earth must nauseate them.

Like the proverbial ants-on-a-hill, they may just shrug their delicate shoulders and move on. Perhaps one day, another race of more malevolent beings will decide to stomp on the ant-hill of Earth, putting us out of our misery before we can announce our destructive tendencies to the galaxy.

Maybe, just a reach here - but perhaps they prefer to let us alone to see if we can grow beyond our current primitive, belligerent status into something more "agreeable" and productive.

The government?? Don't make me laugh. They are the most ignorant, hostile, narcissistic agents of the human race that we have yet produced. They don't know they're own behinds from the holes they've punched in their own planet.

If were a gambler, I'd bet any visitors, if they exist, would, upon very short observation, completely bypass the world governments in favor of another, more worthy institution - such as in academia.

When the ants go marching two-by-two, hurrah, hurrah...

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:07 PM
I think it's not a simple thing. There are probably a lot of reasons why. The lies over the decades, admitting when you think you are the mightiest military the world has ever known, that we are unable to stop these visitors from doing whatever they please. The "people will panic" angle, and the intelligence agencies long standing policy of adhering to a "need to know" basis. We don't NEED to know after all. We just really want to know. Knowing won't accomplish any positive results, in their mind. There would be negative repercussions however.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:12 PM
reply to post by Hadrian

Then the conspiracy that "they" are secretly out to get us. Etc etc etc etc ad nauseum.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:14 PM
reply to post by Outrageo

That would be still far more thought than most of us gives ants as a species really.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:15 PM
reply to post by MasterOfSparkz

I prefer Socrates view on "knowing".

I only know that I know nothing.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 06:34 PM
Disclosure has nothing to do with any government of the world.

Disclosure is about the people of the world. As with all things in life it is all timing when we are ready to be disclosed to it will happen regardless what the government thinks or says why for the government are made up of people like you and me.

Disclosure is about freedom from government and systems to live a life of free will and chose, as soon as we the people come to understand that we are in control of our own destinies as a world, not as a world separated by government and rules.

Disclosure will come soon enough and not a seconded sooner.

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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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And all of this would just magically happen if the US government released all it's files if it has any about UFOs? How?

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 06:44 PM
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

maybe disclosure is in history channels ancient aliens and zecharia's earth chronicles books, the bible and the book of the law...everything is all in our faces everyday...rasheed wallace's tattoo...some other celebrity tattoos

it's a way to let those who are inclined to figure it out to know...and hidden in such plain sight that those who couldnt handle which are those not capable of figuring it out themselves who wait around on the edge of there seat waiting on "experts" paid by the gov. to acknowledge aliens and ufo's

when infact they play both saides for the people that dont believe or cant figure it out they take there side by saying what they say now...they side with the people who do by the clues given and thrown in our faces everyday...its win win and divide and conqour....

disclosure happens everyday just not the way you want it to!

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 06:47 PM
reply to post by metalholic

Rather self congratulary viewpoint to take don't you think? And I don't think you really read the article that was offered for discussion and instead are ranting about what you think I mean.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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pretty much i was replying to the title! so ur right...but i was also giving some food for thought...logically what i said makes more sense then it does illogically!

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 06:59 PM
Well, the ants would notice something.

Except (recently, I'll admit) humanity has gained some light-years of insights in to the Cosmos.

I'd rather liketo think that there are a infinite amount of other lifeforms out there. Some "type 3", some type 0, and everything in between.

And some may have contacted us. Some may have seeded us. Some may be benevolent and want to defend us from the not-so-nice lifeforms that see us as livestock.

Or...we are all alone in the infinite vastness of the Universe. A magical singularity which defies all logic and reason and completely goes against ...well...everything.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 07:00 PM
reply to post by metalholic

If you believed in a altogether unrealistic world view that requires more organizational and cooperative skills than mankind has thus far illustrated. But, the argument as you present it is not logical as it requires a leap.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 07:01 PM
reply to post by __rich__

I take the "Let's wait and see." option. It's the only sane one IMHO.

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 07:04 PM
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

how do you get that...are you inquiring it would take an advanced gov. to scheme what i have theorised? your wrong! it wouldnt take advancement then we are now!

it doesnt take a genius to be a 2 face...

posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 07:10 PM
reply to post by metalholic

Um, no, and the word you are looking for is infering. I was refering to us as a species, thus the word "mankind". How you got that confused with speaking about a government is beyond me. We, as a species, aren't very good at keep secrets, are VERY fractious, prone to constant heirarchal infighting, etc etc etc etc etc. All things about the human animal that argue against your stance.

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