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Inception : Dream Sharing, Political Ideology, and Your Mind...

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posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:14 PM
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*Spoiler Alert - This Thread Contains References To A New Movie*

If you've seen the newest movie, Inception, you might love this thread.

It fits right up there with how many Government's around the world deal with their own people.

Planting a seed into our subconscious, making us believe in something, and then following through.

Think about how warfare is fought, the propaganda used, and you will follow the idea.

Divide and Conquer : Political Ideology of the Power Elite, Selling The Peace, War Is The Motive

The reason it works so well is because it is targeting specific people within the fringe element.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Inception (Film)

Inception is a 2010 American science fiction-action film written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan and starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Ken Watanabe, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Marion Cotillard, Ellen Page, and Cillian Murphy.

The film is inspired by the experience of lucid dreaming.

The film, a variant on the heist genre, centers on Dom Cobb, an "extractor", who enters the dreams of others to obtain information that is otherwise inaccessible.

His abilities have cost him his family and his nationality, but a chance at redemption and regaining his old life is promised when Cobb and his team of specialists are hired to plant an idea in a target's subconscious.

This process of planting of an idea, known as "inception", is less familiar and far more difficult than Cobb's usual job of "extraction".

Development of Inception began roughly ten years before the film's actual release when Nolan wrote an 80-page treatment about dream-stealers.

After presenting the idea to Warner Bros. in 2001, he felt that he needed to have more experience with large scale films.

Therefore, Nolan opted to work on Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

He spent six months polishing up the film's script before Warner Bros. purchased it in February 2009.

Filming began in Tokyo on June 19, 2009 and finished in Canada in late November of the same year.

Inception was officially budgeted at $160 million, a cost which was split between Warner Bros. and Legendary Pictures.

Nolan's reputation and success with The Dark Knight helped secure the film $100 million in advertising expenditure.

Inception premiered in London on July 13, 2010 and was released in both conventional and IMAX theatres on July 16, 2010.

The film was met with positive reviews from film critics, and grossed over $21 million on its opening day, with an opening weekend gross of $62.7 million.


Inception Trailer


It works through propaganda, programming our selective thought-processes, and our conflict with that specific programming, an our own fight with that due to subconsciously knowing better.

The reason this is so important, especially within the fringe element, the community of conspiracy theorists, is because of society, and our interpretation of it, and what we will or will not do to make things right, thereby literally leaving us unaware we might be used.

When it comes to people like Lee Harvey Oswald, Theodore Kaczynski, or Timothy McVeigh, these people are so deeply ingrained into our consciousnesses, due to understanding politics on a different level, due to our often rebellious nature, our lack of desire to agree with the Government, and or even our own comprehensions of how the world works due to being taught to actually think differently than the standard citizen.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Ideologies : Political Ideologies

Many political parties base their political action and program on an ideology. In social studies, a Political Ideology is a certain ethical set of ideals, principles, doctrines, myths or symbols of a social movement, institution, class, or large group that explains how society should work, and offers some political and cultural blueprint for a certain social order.

A political ideology largely concerns itself with how to allocate power and to what ends it should be used.
Some parties follow a certain ideology very closely, while others may take broad inspiration from a group of related ideologies without specifically embracing any one of them.

Political ideologies have two dimensions:

1. Goals: how society should work (or be arranged).

2. Methods: the most appropriate ways to achieve the ideal arrangement.

An ideology is a collection of ideas. Typically, each ideology contains certain ideas on what it considers to be the best form of government (e.g. democracy, theocracy, etc.), and the best economic system (e.g. capitalism, socialism, etc.).

Sometimes the same word is used to identify both an ideology and one of its main ideas.

For instance, "socialism" may refer to an economic system, or it may refer to an ideology which supports that economic system.

Ideologies also identify themselves by their position on the political spectrum (such as the left, the center or the right), though this is very often controversial.

Finally, ideologies can be distinguished from political strategies (e.g. populism) and from single issues that a party may be built around (e.g. opposition to European integration or the legalization of marijuana).

Philosopher Michael Oakeshott provides a good definition of ideology as "the formalized abridgment of the supposed sub-stratum of the rational truth contained in the tradition."

Studies of the concept of ideology itself (rather than specific ideologies) have been carried out under the name of systematic ideology.

Political ideologies are concerned with many different aspects of a society, some of which are: the economy, education, health care, labor law, criminal law, the justice system, the provision of social security and social welfare, trade, the environment, minors, immigration, race, use of the military, patriotism and established religion.

There are many proposed methods for the classification of political ideologies.

See the political spectrum article for a more in-depth discussion of these different methods (each of whom generates a specific political spectrum).


Treason Via Proxy : It Takes Two To Tango, Refuse To Dance, and Stop the False Flag Operation

You can guarantee people like James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan, and Mark David Chapman play into this as well, all programmed, and or disenfranchised individuals, used as political weapons.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Propaganda

Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.

As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience.

Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented.

The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.

Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare.

While the term propaganda has acquired a strongly negative connotation by association with its most manipulative and jingoistic examples, propaganda in its original sense is neutral, and may also be construed to refer to uses which are generally held to be relatively benign or innocuous, such as public health recommendations, signs encouraging citizens to participate in a census or election, or messages encouraging persons to report crimes to the police, among others.


I am speaking on several levels of our subconscious, in how we might fit into the role of the perfectly programmed Project MK-ULTRA sleeper, as a means for deniability for a Government to pull off the perfect False-Flag Operation, as exampled by another movie where several groups of Operatives might pressure us into committing to an action.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Project MK-ULTRA

Project MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence.

This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used United States and Canadian citizens as its test subjects.

The published evidence indicates that Project MKULTRA involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methods, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.

Project MKULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission.

Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKULTRA files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms' destruction order.

Although the CIA insists that MKULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued.

In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MKULTRA was abandoned a "cover story."

On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an "extensive testing and experimentation" program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens "at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign." Several of these tests involved the administration of '___' to "unwitting subjects in social situations." At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.

To this day most specific information regarding Project MKULTRA remains highly classified.

Bolded by SKL


All of these men mentioned within this thread, the "lone nut", were linked by a pattern.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

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And that pattern was one of not fitting into the social patterns of society, being outcasts, or having a differing political ideology, from the mainstream beliefs in the world.

Likewise, their political targets, had a pattern as well, they were high-profile, having a desire to change the fabric of society, and becoming a metaphorical as well as literal threat to power.

It is our dreams as a nation, a world, and a society that unite us towards desiring peace.

Martin Luther King, Jr.: I Have a Dream


If we are not careful we can and will literally be sidelined by The American Dream, that elusive dream we are supposed to always be chasing, to make our lives "perfect".

There is no such thing as a perfect life, nor a perfect world, Utopia is a lie sold as a dream.

Remember, if you will, our conscious, is supposed to communicate with us, through our dreams.

Pusher : Cerulean Blue, Pushing the Lie, and Psychological Operations

It happens with something as simple as a political party affiliation, "left-wing" or "right-wing", instead of thinking for yourself, Republican and Democrat, or even Conservative or Liberal.

And then becoming disenfranchised with your own party, seeing the same old song and dance, and then certain keywords are said over the phone, posted, or e-mail and you're on some list, and then actions begin happening out of your control.

Getting wrapped up in an idea that might not have been your own is something you might never see happening.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]




posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Sorry SKL - I havent seen the movie, and I am not sure what point you are making here?

Can you post a summary of your conclusions?



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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Great thread Spartan!

I must agree whole heartedly.

We see it constantly in the media.

The media have continually made use of “inception” by planting certain words in people’s vocabularies.

We saw it all too well with the healthcare debate recently, words like Death Panel and Socialist in reference to Obama were clever ruses to instill fear and division amongst the people.

We’ve also seen the same trend with the war on terror. We moved from talking about Al Qaeda to Terrorists and then “Violent Religious Extremist” and now we are in the new age of “Domestic Terrorism” in reference to the very people the government is suppose to be protecting.

~Keeper



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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Love it. It is so true. I am excited to see the movie.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Amagnon
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 


Sorry SKL - I havent seen the movie, and I am not sure what point you are making here?

Can you post a summary of your conclusions?


Okay, it's not necessary to have seen the movie, that is merely a Hollywood portrayal.

What I am referring to is the uses of our own political ideologies, our dreams, and or our unsuspecting nature of listening to Government, telling us everything is okay.

When it quite clearly is not at times, and through different uses, someone, or even something, like an event, say for instance the events of 9/11 are used to unite us, under the guise of "freedom", "security", or "liberty".

The Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive Power




Amazon Review :

The Bush years have given rise to fears of a resurgent Imperial Presidency.

Those fears are justified, but the problem cannot be solved simply by bringing a new administration to power.

In his provocative new book, The Cult of the Presidency, Gene Healy argues that the fault lies not in our leaders but in ourselves.

When our scholars lionize presidents who break free from constitutional restraints, when our columnists and talking heads repeatedly call upon the "commander in chief " to dream great dreams and seek the power to achieve them--when voters look to the president for salvation from all problems great and small--should we really be surprised that the presidency has burst its constitutional bonds and grown powerful enough to threaten American liberty?

The Cult of the Presidency takes a step back from the ongoing red team/blue team combat and shows that, at bottom, conservatives and liberals agree on the boundless nature of presidential responsibility.

For both camps, it is the president's job to grow the economy, teach our children well, provide seamless protection from terrorist threats, and rescue Americans from spiritual malaise.

Very few Americans seem to think it odd, says Healy, "when presidential candidates talk as if they're running for a job that's a combination of guardian angel, shaman, and supreme warlord of the earth."

Healy takes aim at that unconfined conception of presidential responsibility, identifying it as the source of much of our political woe and some of the gravest threats to our liberties.

If the public expects the president to heal everything that ails us, the president is going to demand--or seize--the power necessary to handle that responsibility.

Interweaving historical scholarship, legal analysis, and trenchant cultural commentary, The Cult of the Presidency traces America's decades-long drift from the Framers' vision for the presidency: a constitutionally constrained chief magistrate charged with faithful execution of the laws.

Restoring that vision will require a Congress and a Court willing to check executive power, but Healy emphasizes that there is no simple legislative or judicial "fix" to the problems of the presidency.

Unless Americans change what we ask of the office--no longer demanding what we should not want and cannot have--we'll get what, in a sense, we deserve.


The book above demonstrates through historical precedents how Government uses those events, both to gain power, and to stage coups against America.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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That is correct, tothetenthpower, quite correct indeed.

Most people think the Healthcare Reform is only about "healthcare".

And it is not at all, it goes so much deeper, in fact it goes towards legislating identification.

How Dare You Mr. President and Congress...

But sadly, because American's are so ignorant, the standard citizen, they do not bother to read anything politically, or if they do they do not comprehend it all.

They do not realize, do not know, or are oblivious that all facets of Government work together.

The Illegal Immigration issue is working with the Healthcare Reform issue, which nestles nicely together with the Real ID Act.

Microchip in Mexico Law Enforcement


And through both foreign and domestic legislation as well as international legislation, the above video does not just affect Mexico, but crosses our border.


Quote from : Wikipedia : North American Union

The North American Union (NAU) is a theoretical economic union, in some instances also a political union, of Canada, Mexico, and the United States.

It is loosely based on the European Union, occasionally including a common currency called the Amero or the North American Dollar.

While the idea for some form of union has been discussed or proposed in academic, business and political circles for many decades, government officials from all three nations say there are no plans to create such a union and no agreement to do so has been signed.

The formation of a North American Union has been the subject of various conspiracy theories.


It takes a nations economy collapsing, to do this, Mexico has been bankrupt for decades, borrowing from the United States, our own economy is now failing, and the Bilderberg Group tried, and failed, back a few years, to collapse Canada.

IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market


Many people are seeing it, many are oblivious to it, and many have it in mind.

Bilderberger : The Global Agenda, Eugenics, Global Warming, And Biochiping Sheeple

The problem is not with this endeavor, but the fact it is being hidden from us, shown in bits and pieces, and sold as a means for our own safety, when it does nothing but mark us, permanently, with a microchip, from Biblical dreams.

While it is something ripped out of the Bible, and it can be ripped out of our skin, it will be unlawful to tamper with it, once it has been implanted into our bodies.

And our own subconscious, our dream state, is being used against us through subliminal messaging.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
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Love it. It is so true. I am excited to see the movie.


I loved the movie too.

I have been thinking about this thread, to let the reader understand, it is important to not only know what is going on, but to make sure their mental armor is up.

It is our responsibility to keep our own minds tended.

You might like this book :

Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare




Amazon Review :

From 007 to 2001, from Dealey Plaza to the Apollo Moon Flight, from the barrel of a Bulldog .44 to the corridors of the pyramids of Sirius; from the secret symbolism of Jack the Ripper to the public symbolism of the first atomic bomb blast, this work illuminates the crimes and command ideology of the masonic Cryptocracy, where ground zero meets the zero hour in a bestial crucible of ritual murder, human alchemy and demonic invasion.

Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare takes the reader to the core of a cosmic cryptogram, a dark Oz where the ancient fables become modern memes for the psychological contagion and devastation of humanity, and where the stratagem the author terms "Revelation of the Method" becomes the key to the finale of the mysteries of the ages.


It is like our Government expects us to have zero knowledge, or they just do not give a damn, or they are a total stranger to us, conflicting with how they try to be a Big Brother.

Operating like a predator preying on mankind, we are being slowly stalked.

But we are prepared for the truth because we are smarter than that by far.

We will not allow the Government to keep us in the dark to their illicit and immoral actions.

Not anymore.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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I just watched a video yesterday where these guys in GB were going to different places and just talking to the crowds about the surveillance society, consumerism, work, terrorism amongst other things with a bull horn.

Of course as they were talking more and more LEO's showing up. All this time they were videotaping. Of course the LEO's start telling them that they should not be videotaping because of the oooohhh Terrorists possibly using the video.

They go on to chant terrorists terrorists, consume, consume, consume.

You get the idea. I am going to try and find it. It was great. I think they were able to open the eyes of the crowd to the messages that we are bombarded with constantly. I liked the part where the guy started hugging the officers.

Just threw them for a loop. I will find it and be back to post it.

As always SKL, S&F.

Also I would bring up to the conversation, something you have mentioned before. The use of names of the bills and department names.

Like the coming Consumer Protection Bureaucracy.

Who is going to say anything against protecting the Consumer?

I like to say-Hell they should name every department the Child Protection Agency. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!


edit to add-sorry SKL, I cannot seem to find the video, I must not have posted in the thread. Darnit, it was a good video. Well if I find it later I will give you a U2U.

[edit on 7/25/2010 by endisnighe]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
I just watched a video yesterday where these guys in GB were going to different places and just talking to the crowds about the surveillance society, consumerism, work, terrorism amongst other things with a bull horn.


Sounds like an interesting video.


Originally posted by endisnighe
Of course as they were talking more and more LEO's showing up. All this time they were videotaping. Of course the LEO's start telling them that they should not be videotaping because of the oooohhh Terrorists possibly using the video.


Sorry, it is something we must do, videotaping demonstrations and protests.

It keeps our Civil Liberties safe and corruption at bay.

Only terrorists do not want to be taped.


Originally posted by endisnighe
They go on to chant terrorists terrorists, consume, consume, consume.


This is why our National Deficit is constantly brought out for demonstration.

It is the example of spending and remaining in debt which we are supposed to follow.

Sorry, I lead by example, but not the wrong example.


Originally posted by endisnighe
You get the idea. I am going to try and find it. It was great. I think they were able to open the eyes of the crowd to the messages that we are bombarded with constantly. I liked the part where the guy started hugging the officers.


This part made me think about the Free Hugs Campaign of Juan Mann.

Free Hugs Campaign - Official Page (music by Sick Puppies.net )


Juan Mann, One Man, get it?


Originally posted by endisnighe
Just threw them for a loop. I will find it and be back to post it.

As always SKL, S&F.

Also I would bring up to the conversation, something you have mentioned before. The use of names of the bills and department names.

Like the coming Consumer Protection Bureaucracy.

Who is going to say anything against protecting the Consumer?

I like to say-Hell they should name every department the Child Protection Agency. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!


You're of course referring to the innocuous names and bureaucracy, which is made, on purpose, to make us find it more and more difficult to get things done.

If the Government, take your pick of which one, makes it more difficult, more grinding, and more stupid paperwork, and we demand an easier solution, this is when they can slip in things which we do not always want or understand.

As exampled by the bio-chip, through Verichip, Digital Angel, and Destron Fearing.


Quote from : Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.

Destron Fearing provides a full complement of radio frequency identification products and software solutions to automate the collection of critical livestock production and carcass information.

Individual and herd information can then be easily transferred between all parties involved in the production and retail of meat products.

Information sharing allows the food industry to meet the discriminating demands of the market place.


These companies have been operating since 1945 or before towards this end.

Now fully functioning in 40 countries towards the cashless society and information age.

Spend, spend, spend, work, work, work, chipped, chipped, chipped.

Real world ID solutions?

Sounds more like a controlled society where they can shut off your identification.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Okay, it's not necessary to have seen the movie, that is merely a Hollywood portrayal.

What I am referring to is the uses of our own political ideologies, our dreams, and or our unsuspecting nature of listening to Government, telling us everything is okay.

When it quite clearly is not at times, and through different uses, someone, or even something, like an event, say for instance the events of 9/11 are used to unite us, under the guise of "freedom", "security", or "liberty".


Good point here. It's a recurring theme in many of your threads and it is important not to forget that while "you are watching them, they are watching you" so to speak. It's always wise to remember that one can be used or pushed a direction without even realizing it's happening. Of course, it's much easier to do when you're dealing with "group mentality" phenomena and controlling masses with ideology/religion/nationalism/etc. is an example (on a larger more general scale) people really aren't that hard to read - when you're dealing with them en masse...



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by LadySkadi
Good point here. It's a recurring theme in many of your threads and it is important not to forget that while "you are watching them, they are watching you" so to speak. It's always wise to remember that one can be used or pushed a direction without even realizing it's happening. Of course, it's much easier to do when you're dealing with "group mentality" phenomena and controlling masses with ideology/religion/nationalism/etc. is an example (on a larger more general scale) people really aren't that hard to read - when you're dealing with them en masse...


Agreed, the groupthink mentality goes several ways, not just the citizenship.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Groupthink

Groupthink is a type of thought within a deeply cohesive in-group whose members try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas.

It is a second potential negative consequence of group cohesion.

Irving Janis studied a number of American Foreign policy 'disasters' such as failure to anticipate the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor (1941); the Bay of Pigs fiasco (1961) when the US adminstration sought to overthrow Cuban Government of Fidel Castro; and the prosecution of the Vietnam War (1964-67) by President Lyndon Johnson.

Studying these events that it was the cohesive nature of these important committees which made these decisions and which prevented contradictory views being expressed.

As defined by Janis, “A mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' strivings for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action”.

Individual creativity, uniqueness, and independent thinking are lost in the pursuit of group cohesiveness, as are the advantages of reasonable balance in choice and thought that might normally be obtained by making decisions as a group.

During groupthink, members of the group avoid promoting viewpoints outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking.

A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members of the group.

Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s balance.

The term is frequently used pejoratively, in hindsight.

Additionally, it is difficult to assess the quality of decision making in terms of outcomes all the time, but one can almost always evaluate the quality of the decision-making process.


A simple example of it happens in the Lord of the Flies, a great book.

Lord of the Flies




Amazon Review :

William Golding's classic tale about a group of English schoolboys who are plane-wrecked on a deserted island is just as chilling and relevant today as when it was first published in 1954.

At first, the stranded boys cooperate, attempting to gather food, make shelters, and maintain signal fires.

Overseeing their efforts are Ralph, "the boy with fair hair," and Piggy, Ralph's chubby, wisdom-dispensing sidekick whose thick spectacles come in handy for lighting fires.

Although Ralph tries to impose order and delegate responsibility, there are many in their number who would rather swim, play, or hunt the island's wild pig population.

Soon Ralph's rules are being ignored or challenged outright.

His fiercest antagonist is Jack, the redheaded leader of the pig hunters, who manages to lure away many of the boys to join his band of painted savages.

The situation deteriorates as the trappings of civilization continue to fall away, until Ralph discovers that instead of being hunters, he and Piggy have become the hunted:

"He forgot his words, his hunger and thirst, and became fear; hopeless fear on flying feet."

Golding's gripping novel explores the boundary between human reason and animal instinct, all on the brutal playing field of adolescent competition. --Jennifer Hubert


Lord of the Flies (1990) - Trailer


It happens all across America, which is why we have an apathetic country now, however it is not limited to the citizens, even the F.B.I. is vulnerable to it.

There were several F.B.I. Agents who were told to shut up when they had prior knoweldge of the events leading up to 9/11, not necessarily through any ulterior motive, although that is a possibility, but through the groupthink mentality.

The Bureau: The Secret History of the FBI




Amazon Review :

An assiduous journalist, Kessler has written numerous books about behind-the-scenes stories at the national security agencies.

His reportage on the abuse of office perks by ex-FBI director William Sessions, for example, precipitated Sessions' exit in 1993.

His latest book is a history of the FBI since its origin in 1908 and is structured around directors' tenures.

A majority of this overview is devoted to J. Edgar Hoover's 48 years in the saddle, and Kessler does dig up some new tidbits.

Yet much of the Hoover-era material will be old hat to readers of Kessler's The FBI (1993).

What's new here?

A cascade of criticism of Louis Freeh, the director from 1993 to 2001.

Despite Freeh's positive public persona, Kessler says insiders rankled under his leadership.

They felt that Freeh neglected management issues such as a systemic computer problem, preferring to unwisely intervene in individual investigations such as the botched Wen Ho Lee case.

Kessler's access to reliable sources results in a richly detailed overview.

Gilbert Taylor Copyright © American Library Association.

All rights reserved


There is a pattern of "do not rock the boat" within all Law Enforcement.

Sadly, this is exactly how most major crimes are missed, especially terrorism.

Jonestown - When Groupthink becomes a 'Lemmings' Effect


That is as well why Jim Jones suceeded in his monstrocities.

That and poisoned Kool-Aid.

And the charismatic charms of a sociopath.

It has been spoken of in conspiracy theory circles he was C.I.A. trained.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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Awesome thread SKL! As always, I admire your dedication and interesting topics of choice that you choose to elaborate upon. In many ways the movie hints upon much of the mind control techniques that are still being used today and from the past. In fact most of our history is dictated by those who are excellent storytellers and propaganda machines. And this paralells with an old thread of mine, Mind Control: The True Tale of Manipulation. And to think that these programs were stopped when they were producing success results after successful results is an outright fallacy. These actions are still happening today and the old propaganda tricks are in full swing.

Again excellent thread SKL



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by TheMythLives
Awesome thread SKL! As always, I admire your dedication and interesting topics of choice that you choose to elaborate upon. In many ways the movie hints upon much of the mind control techniques that are still being used today and from the past. In fact most of our history is dictated by those who are excellent storytellers and propaganda machines.


Of course, it keeps on coming out, daily with this information.

It is like the Central Intelligence Agency is cleaning house.

Take the movie Shutter Island as another perfect example.

'Shutter Island' Trailer HD


It is about the early years of MK-ULTRA.

And the "ghost's" that program created, deniable assassins.

And look, Leonardo DiCaprio is playing the part, again.


Originally posted by TheMythLives
And this paralells with an old thread of mine, Mind Control: The True Tale of Manipulation. And to think that these programs were stopped when they were producing success results after successful results is an outright fallacy. These actions are still happening today and the old propaganda tricks are in full swing.

Again excellent thread SKL


Glad you brought up your thread.


Correct, these programs were "shut down", but only on paper.

It went from a grey project, where questionable actions were done, to black.

Complete deniability.

Blank Check: The Pentagon's Black Budget




Library Journal : Amazon Review :

In this book based on his Pulitzer Prize-winning series of articles for the Philadelphia Inquirer , journalist Weiner probes the way the Pentagon has used secret budgets to fund huge military programs.

This has grown to the point that there are now more than 100 multimillion- and multibillion-dollar weapons systems, many of them nuclear weapons designed to fight and win World Wars III and IV, built without the awareness of the public or even the Congress.

Weiner takes a close look at programs such as the Stealth bomber and provides fascinating detail from Congressional testimony.

The thesis of the book--that secrecy in government military programs is antithetical to democracy--is well documented and hugely important.

As the Cold War draws to a close and military budgets come under attack, the public and Congress may tend to forget the defense establishment's inclination toward secrecy and self-perpetuation.

Weiner's book serves as a timely reminder that this would be unwise.

Highly recommended.

- Jennifer Scarlott, World Policy Inst., New York Copyright 1990

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When they become a Black Box Operation, a Black Project, it comes from immense slush funds, created to keep our country completely in the dark.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Slush Fund

Slush fund is a colloquial term which has come to mean an auxiliary monetary account or a reserve fund.

However, the term has special meaning within a context of corrupt (including but not limited to) political dealings by governments, large corporations or other bodies and individuals.

Slush funds can have particular elements of illegality, illegitimacy, or secrecy in regard to the use of this money and the means by which the funds were acquired.

Political dealings with slush funds tend to create suspicions of quid pro quo (buying political favors), and can be viewed on the surface as corrupt and subversive of the democratic process.

For example, Richard Nixon's "Checkers speech" of 1952 was a successful effort to dispel a scandal concerning a rumored slush fund of campaign contributions.

The term "slush fund" is also used in accounting to refer to a general ledger account in which all manner of transactions can be posted to commingled funds and "loose" monies by debits and credits cancelling each other out.


This is where people like Oliver North come into play with weapons sales to Iran.

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 07:28 PM
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Indeed Spartan! In fact I have some information that you can use with MLK Jr. In my Case Review thread: Martin Luther King Jr. The Case Reviewed. I discussed in brief how it is possible that the assassin, Ray, could have been programmed to assassinate MLK. Even though it is only mentioned in one sentence it is indeed very plausible. With Ray retracting his statements later on and then stating that he did not remember any events of that day. It is possible that he was a Mind Control patsy, but I honestly doubt it. In fact the one that I find most intriguing is actually JFK, RFK and the Lennon Assassinations, which all three had the markings of MK-Ultra. A Lennon review will be coming soon, but that will be after school lets out



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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I discussed in brief how it is possible that the assassin, Ray, could have been programmed to assassinate MLK. Even though it is only mentioned in one sentence it is indeed very plausible. With Ray retracting his statements later on and then stating that he did not remember any events of that day.


Well, no one can say with any degree of certainty, unless they have his dossier.

The kind that would be redacted to the point of uselessness.

James Earl Ray, strikes me more as a cut-out, someone with a questionable background.

This is someone who is given something, cash for family needs, guarantee of a loved one having the best medical care, or perhaps reinstatement.

Like clear their criminal record.

Just a few examples of course.

If you've seen the movie The Domino Principle it is that simple.

In other words, they had leverage, to essentially guarantee his cooperation.

This game of shadows through conspiracy goes deep.

Whoever did order it got deniability, King was murdered, and Civil Rights gained a martyr.

Personally, I believe J. Edgar Hoover, had a hand in the entire assassination.

Through criminal connections in the underworld, the Mafia.

The U.S. Federal Government used the Mafia during WWII so it's not far of a stretch.


Originally posted by TheMythLives
It is possible that he was a Mind Control patsy, but I honestly doubt it. In fact the one that I find most intriguing is actually JFK, RFK and the Lennon Assassinations, which all three had the markings of MK-Ultra. A Lennon review will be coming soon, but that will be after school lets out


Patsy, plausibly, yes, whether he definitely an MK-ULTRA assassin is unclear.

No matter what, his role was to make certain no one knew the truth, ever.

Oswald, I believe was a misguided individual, thrown into the mix as a patsy.

I do believe the people behind the Federal Reserve at that time order J.F.K. assassinated.

Robert Kennedy was taking up his brother's cause and was killed for it.

Both Kennedy brothers were seen as a threat as well as double-crossing the Mafia.

Whether the C.I.A. was involved is in question, but they sure have the training, facilities, and slush funds to have pulled it all off, and the motive.

Mark David Chapman, I feel, was definitely an MK-ULTRA programmed assassin.

Because of Yoko Ono being a Communist spy acting as Lennon's "handler".

In other words, she turned Lennon, against America during Vietnam.


Partial Quote from : Wikipedia : Double Agent

Double agents may be agents of the target organization who infiltrate the controlling organization, or may be previously loyal agents of the controlling organization who have been captured and turned by the target; the threat of execution is the most common method of turning a captured agent (working for an intelligence service) into a double agent (working for an foreign intelligence service) or a double agent into a re-doubled agent.

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Turned via seduction and the drugs both Lennon and Yoko Ono smoked.

Lennon was a weak link, for both Britain and America, with the Beatles.

Due to Lennon's notoriety because of the Beatles, he was a prime candidate.

Communist Russia tried a different kind of warfare against America.

Political influence through a well know singer and his political views.

Chapman was probably controlled via the C.I.A. conducting covert warfare.

Due to the C.I.A. having an international charter, meaning they are not allowed to operate on American soil, an MK-ULTRA programmed assassin would give them complete deniability, with their hands technically clean.

Chapman fits the perfect profile of a target for recruiting for MK-ULTRA.

A loner, a former drug user, and he was as a abused child, and he was suicidal.

The perfect individual by criteria for that program.

All of those individuals involved with all of those assassination's fit a profile and pattern.

The perfect "lone nut" role.

There are clear patterns through deniability actions taken.

No papertrail, necessarily, but that would be insane to expect.

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