Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Anyone ever see a movie called The Sand Pebbles? Navy guy gets to his new post in China, and the locals are doing a gross and unmilitary job of running the ship for the American sailors. But whenever he complains that the place is going to hell because of the way the locals are running it, he gets the same rebuke, "Hey! It's his rice bowl".

There have been a number of issues with Open Office not being able to do everything that PowerPoint does, but the most stunning issues have come from intentional compatibility issues.
In one case a teacher used the new version of MS Word to annotate essays and return them to students by email. They did an excellent job of completely destroying the product they had already sold me- it was impossible to edit the file with our version of Word when we got it back from the teacher. They had even disabled copy and paste somehow so that the only option was to transcribe the entire assignment.

So, should everyone in the world have to pursue an education in Information Technology like you did, or would it be easier if we stopped spending time and resources on trying to keep tools out of peoples hands?


The argument I'm hearing is "I eat food while others starve and do nothing to produce food. I have shelter while others don't and do nothing to build or maintain homes, etc etc etc through every necessity of life, but that's what I deserve as long as people are willing to pay money for what I create, regardless of whether my creation helps humanity or holds us back".

We can change our economy so that everyone who is willing to pull their own weight can have the things they need to live, and many of the things that they want as well, AND continue to motivate those who pull more than their share of the weight with a little extra.

Think about it: A bunch of good honest working people go through a lot of unpleasantness to harvest resources and shape them into things that can make our lives longer and better. Among them are plenty of IT guys who make it possible to plan and coordinate that work so that more gets done.

But some of that good stuff doesn't go to make our lives longer and better. It is wasted on a whole second level of the economy that functions almost entirely on error and dishonesty.

Somebody decides the rat race isn't for him- all that making life possible for a living doesn't sound as good as owning an obscene website. So he goes out and gets a loan of useless green paper for which he only has to promise more useless green paper back, goes down to the place where we keep video cameras that are built and ready to go but for some reason are not being used to protect property or record important information and computers that for some reason we aren't allowing to be used by our school children and he buys them. Then he hires people who also aren't pulling their weight, and before you know it there's another obscene destination on the internet.

But there's a problem... there are too many dead beats like that and not enough people willing to pay for it. And there is a solution. You find more deadbeats. A deadbeat to make advertising to pressure people to waste resources on things they don't need. A deadbeat to write a program that spams that advertising everywhere or simply redirects people to the site against their will. A deadbeat to collect debts of people who don't pay the bill when they've been taken... it goes on and on.

There are whole networks of people in this world who consume valuable resources for the sole purpose of producing useless junk, because they either couldn't figure out how to do something meaningful or felt they had no responsibility to. And these people, who would be lepers in any society that knew the value of work, are treated as a productive part of the community because they do ultimately deliver on that promise of more useless green paper than they started out with. They are thieves, far more so than pirates. What they take without deserving becomes physically inaccessible to people who need it. What pirates take becomes more accessible.

Look around at the world. Fewer and fewer people can even be employed, and fewer of those who are doing anything important. The federal government, which produces essentially nothing, is an ever expanding drain on the labor pool. The rest of the labor pool is being told to stay home and not do anything until the useless green paper comes back... in fact until the imaginary stuff that we never actually printed on paper comes back. We messed up and people are hurting. One way or another we either have to start doing real, meaningful work again or eventually a very large number of us will die.

Are all moderator's on here windbags without a creative bone in their body? What exactly do you and those like you (egotistical thieves) contribute to society?

Edited to add I forgot that I asked this last time and no one had the balls to answer.

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Where did your avatar picture come from?

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Originally posted by jokei
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Where did your avatar picture come from?

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It's not a copy written image, but nice try. Not really. And what a surprise you didn't answer my question! Go steal an answer, maybe you can ask your boss.

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Oh I don't do much. I just bounce around from one thing to the next. Defending our country, building schools, publishing college news papers, tutoring English Second Language students, operating red cross shelters...

But I also had to be a telemarketer for a couple of months once, and the fact of the matter is I'm not good at everything I try, and even when I am I usually either burn my bridges or get bored and move on to browner pastures. Hell I even managed to get myself kicked out of the USMC. I also spend a surprising percentage of my sporadic and usually small income on things that are killing me from the inside out.

I suppose some people think its wrong for a self-styled anti-villain like myself to suggest that we could conduct our business in ways that eliminate waste and injustice when I have not made myself a model of perfect efficiency and selflessness. But I bet most of them are Chevy guys.

Oops - double post.

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Edit to add this first line as well:

Put your money where your mouth is and link to the source of the image if you can?

I never said that I approved of illegal downloads - a little hasty on your judgement. I thought it a fair (tongue in cheek) question, although I'm not unhappy to see you add me as a foe.

If you'd read my previous answers you'd see I have an opinion on this, that has mirrored both sides of the argument. If you're not inclined to review the thread, then I'll sum it up for you again.

I won't comment on games, because it really doesn't interest me or impact my life, as for software, see my signature.

Now, as far as music and film go I do not disapprove of downloading. I see the main problem as quality of product being released - I saw Clash Of The Titans recently and would not dream of parting with cash for that piece of crap, as I wouldn't buy a Coldplay/Keane/Snow Patrol/Lady Gaga/Miley/Billy Cyrus album - frankly they don't deserve my money and are perpetuating the devolution of an already stagnant medium - that medium being mainstream music.

There are very exciting things going on though, that I am happy to (and do) endorse with my hard earned money. I bought the last Silver Mt Zion album, I'm really happy for those guys to have my money and I wouldn't even copy their stuff for my friends - I do take music round and play it to them though and them vice/versa, stuff they play - if I like I buy.

Does anyone honestly think sales are down solely because of piracy? You wonder why children and teenagers would rather have a PS3/Xbox game (that's about 3X the cost) of a cd??? Because the majority of the stuff is boring, very, very boring.

I have absolutely no problem with piracy, I think it works great - because the people that actually care and appreciate the product will still go out and buy it. The morons that just lap up the mainstream crap, further perpetuate the demise of a dinosaur industry that doesn't deserve or seem capable of survival.

I'll gladly elaborate if there's any points you want me to.

By the way, I worked in an independant record store for 5 years. I also played in a band that was just happy to have songs people listened to.

P.S. What did you mean by go ask my boss?

P.P.S. I'm a care assistant, I work with Autistic adults - I don't pirate music either, is that enough of a contribution to society?

Edit: Typo and some other stuff.

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Originally posted by TylerKing
Are all moderator's on here windbags without a creative bone in their body? What exactly do you and those like you (egotistical thieves) contribute to society?

Edited to add I forgot that I asked this last time and no one had the balls to answer.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by TylerKing]

Even more interesting:
Where did you get the Idea that I am a Thief?
I am 100% certain those ads are intelectual property!
Is your derivative work, based on those ads, authorized?

Edit to add:
Ohoh, Tylerking.
Ever heard the name Flak Photo or Matthew David Powell? seems they think that Donkey is

THE FINE PRINT All photographs presented here are the sole property of the contributing artist unless otherwise noted. Published works are protected under domestic and international copyright laws and are not considered to be public domain. No photograph may be reproduced, copied, manipulated, or used whole or in part of a derivative work, without written permission. All rights reserved.

www.flakphoto.com...

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Good for them.

See I think the internet should be free. It should be a basic god given right to have fast internet and access to the sum total of human information.

We should abolish schools and just have E-ducation via the internet coupled with after school programs for socializing. like sports clubs etc.

We should all do direct voting via the internet, representative democracy has failed. Curruption and lies have made a joke of our political system. We need a one for one vote where every citizen has a say. Fire all those old bastards in DC, what a bunch of useless middlemen. die.

Corporations say artists are losing money when someone downloads an album but thats a lie. The artist makes money touring. The corporation makes money selling the albums and digital files. What the pirates do is listen to all this music they get for free, and then tell their friends what they thought was good, this increases a bands popularity and increases ticket sales for their concerts putting more actual money in the ARTISTS pocket. The corporations are just pissed they aren't getting as huge a cut of the proceeds. They didn't do a goddamn thing but they want 80% of the money for doing it. So they turn around and sue all the 11 year old boys who downloaded some Metallica songs, for thousands of dollars in retribution for 'stealing' a song they would sell online for $1.99

The evil corporation demands 4/5ths of the profit for it's artist creative work, and if they don't get it they will financially ruin you for life, you and your whole family, as a warning to anyone else who would dare try to cut out the useless middle-men.

money is the root of all evil and the middlemen who profit on the exchange of money for goods, without providing anything of value to the process, they are the evilest among us. I encourage all middlemen to commit suicide. You guys are useless, just die, just jump off your record companies roof and go splat on the concrete, because the only good you can do this world is to feed the pigeons with your splattered entrails on the hot noonday sidewalk of your office building.

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Ever watch Golum? Made for $5000 dollars and is an EXCELLENT sci fi/fantasy movie.

edit to add fantasy to descriptor

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S+F!

This is a great idea and I wish someone could do this in the US without fear of retribution. Sadly it's only a pipe dream here.

I've thought about moving to Europe for a little while now to get away from some of the # here in the US. This is just another reason for me. Plus I'm about 95% Norwegian/ 5% Swedish! And to the poster who said they will not be offering tech support: perfect as I went to school for IT, maybe I could actually get a job and put my degree to use.

Btw: No worries Tyler King. Everybody does it.

French Anti-Piracy Organisation Hadopi Uses Pirated Font In Own Logo

fontfeed.com...

Watching this thread slowly turn into a file sharing thread I have to state my opinion that the RIAA don't really care that much about piracy at all in fact I believe it actually makes them sales but what they really don't like is Individual Free Artists being able to get their stuff out to the masses without them as a go between.

This whole war on file sharing is about controlling the musicians, piracy is just a convenient front. They can't afford to let people get popular without them getting their cut from it and the Internet has threatened to make them irrelevant.

Their philosophy is they will control what we listen to or we won't be allowed to listen to it any artist who isn't with them will not be heard.

What I've never understood is how patents, the IP type pertaining to IMPORTANT, LIFE-CHANGING devices and compounds which take hundreds or thousands of man-hours to design, last seven-to-twenty years, barely enough to recoup expenses... while copyrights, the IP type pertaining to LAZY ARTISTS (*cough*), lasts until death+50yrs or something.

Doesn't it seem rather absurd to anyone? Someone could cure cancer and barely make a profit (which is fine, we need those cheap generics ASAP, right?), but some joker writes a single good song and his children never have to work again.

Copyright law is awful. Art should be protected furiously for like two years, then become free domain.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by Pinke
I sort of don't mind this idea ...

But then at the same time not all of this information at an ISP is used to track mostly innocentish people. What about the more dangerous criminals or child sex offenders?

That's a VERY good point. I certainly don't wanna see the resurfacing of the GNUTELLA network or have a place where sex offenders have free reign with child pornography and the likes.

Although I am sure in this day and age, nobody would mind if this ISP kept track of sex offenders signing up or had some sort of security protocol in place.

I'm all for tracking of IP's and that sort of thing if there is a legitimate reason.

~Keeper

You both demonstrate your COMPLETE indoctrination. The internet is full of perverts and pedophiles! Perverts and junkies and queers, oh my! Please track all of our IPs. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?

Those who trade liberty for safety deserve neither, and will get neither.

At the beginning of July, the Pirate Party surprised again. Not only would they be The Pirate Bay’s new host, but they would use Parliamentary immunity to run the site from inside the Swedish Parliament.

Now the Party have made another interesting announcement. Together with technology partners, they will enter the broadband market with Pirate ISP, a new service designed to deliver consumer Internet in line with the Pirate Party’s ideals.

From: torrentfreak.com...

About The Pirate Party:

The Pirate Party (Swedish: Piratpartiet) is a political party in Sweden founded in 2006. Its sudden popularity has given rise to parties with the same name and similar goals in Europe and worldwide, forming the international Pirate Party movement.

The party strives to reform laws regarding copyright and patents.

* The agenda also includes support for a strengthening of the RIGHT TO PIRACY, both on the Internet and in everyday life, and the transparency of state administration.

[1] The Party has intentionally chosen to be block independent on the traditional left-right scale[2] to pursue their political agenda with all mainstream parties.

From: en.wikipedia.org...

This is Not about security. It is about piracy. Sure they will have rules for anonymity in place that will offer a side benefit for privacy issues BUT this is foremost about being able to PIRATE software and movies and music from the internet without getting caught.

They are trying to use a legal loophole to STEAL. That is this companies bottom line. Not security.

I just thought we should all be Clear on that with so many of you touting the praises of this company as the saviors of free unrestricted internet. That is not what is going on here.

Until they can change the laws on Piracy these people are criminals that advocate the criminal activity it would seem. Juts because they have immunity does not make then any less guilty.

But the best part is... There are going to run this from within the Swedish Parliament !!! LOL

Perhaps laws on piracy are not as strict in Sweden as other places, I do not know.

I personally feel I hope they can change the laws. I support piracy in that all information should be shared if it's in a copyable form. Companies do not have the right to complain when something gets copied if they intentionally make the thing in a form that is unprotected. Like recording songs off the radio for personal use.. this is not illegal but back then they never thought that people would be downloading whole albums off of the internet. These things also do not hurt the company financially. Companies base their projected income on numbers of physical items sold at market, CD's DVD's etc. If a truck load of these things on the way to market goes off of a cliff only then do they lose money. For every pirate there will still be 10 people to go into the store to buy the CD. They do not base their income on copied material, thus they should have no right to it. It's their own fault for being stupid and making an unprotected product.




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Originally posted by TylerKing
Are all moderator's on here windbags without a creative bone in their body? What exactly do you and those like you (egotistical thieves) contribute to society?

Edited to add I forgot that I asked this last time and no one had the balls to answer.

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I don't know about mods but i'm someone who has provided a few software bits and pieces for free online, using the age old hacker ethos of seeing a problem and providing the solution for free

I won't say which tools i have created because that would give away my ID, but they're out there. I haven't updated such things in a long time as i moved on but they were popular once and if i had the energy i would create a few new things.

Free can be good

There was a rather amazing guy who wrote drivers for all the web cams available to be used in linux, he did that for free, i forget his name but he has my complete respect.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Like recording songs off the radio for personal use.. this is not illegal but back then they never thought that people would be downloading whole albums off of the internet. These things also do not hurt the company financially. Companies base their projected income on numbers of physical items sold at market, CD's DVD's etc. If a truck load of these things on the way to market goes off of a cliff only then do they lose money. For every pirate there will still be 10 people to go into the store to buy the CD. They do not base their income on copied material, thus they should have no right to it. It's their own fault for being stupid and making an unprotected product.




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Oh, you missed a bit there, back in the mid 70ies to 80ies.
I don't know if its that way in the US, but over here, in Germany and most other european countries, a small part of every sale on empty cassettes, and later CDs, DVDs, HDs, even printers, USB Sticks, erm... there was something other entirely absurd, it escapes me at the moment, goes to the local equivalent of the IRAA. They managed to pass that into law by whining enough about the death of western society if everybody stopped bying records and just copied songs from the Radio.
EMI even had patented a technology that would disable casette recorders if they were connected to a radio.
There are newspaper articles from the 70ies you could reprint word for word today, you would just have to replace casette with MP3 and Radio with Internet.

Edit to add:
The other thing you are missing is that one of the basic principles of international law is that a crime gets punished according to the laws where it took place.
No law in sweden requires of an ISP to keep records. So it isn't a crime not to keep those records.
Nobody will stop you for going faster than 55Mph on a german autobahn. The same principle applies here. Also copyright inringement is not theft. Different laws, different judges, different procedures. You might as well claim theft is murder, or arson is rape, or driving too fast is a war crime.

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