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Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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And we are sticking it to legitimate ISPs because... ?

The amount of law-breaking that is heartily endorsed on this site sometime appalls me. Sure, there are criminals and fascists and agendas.. but not everything, everywhere, is a super-secret agenda to take over your life. Seriously.

I try to buy products from companies that don't try to stick it to the common joe. I enjoy the occasional strategy game on the computer, and I buy Stardock's game. Why? They have no copy protection on their software. ZILCH. You can simply copy a CD and give it to anyone. You can run it without the CD. Because they realize it's futile to try and fight pirating, and so they cleverly offer continual content updates for legitimate customers, without screwing them over. THAT is a model for a good company imo. Not... well, we can't get this done how we want, so we'll just steal it.




posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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Torn between privacy and safety?
Until someone can shoot me over the net, I'll just worry about my privacy.
And any educated person will tell you that security and safety are not a real item, they are a feeling that you are sold.
Pirates rock good for them.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:54 PM
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man the sweden people really are cool!
if i was there i would be the first to sign on!



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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Wow! That's great news! Thanks for the OP! I wish them the nest and hope for somebody with the same cajones and will to stick it to the scum that has stolen our government from us in the US and start a similar service here!

Fight TPTB everywhere! They mean to take away our freedom and our free speech on the internet because they are afraid of those of us who have used the internet to see past their constant spew of propaganda and are now trying to take this freedom from us. Services like this are a step in the right direction to allow us our God given freedom! S&F!



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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dont worry about hackers being bad and "ruining the economy" most of the hackers are actualy good people who would buy what they really like as long as they have normal salary. if i had money to spend,living in a normal country,i would have bough assassins creed 2. even though the protection was a giant middle finger to us,but the protection was worth the QUALITY of the product. it was so great that you couldnt afford to loose money to pirating.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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I think this is not only great, is is also very smart the way they are doing it, ISP in Parliament, so full Diplomatic Immunity will apply, and no logs, so no one can be tracked by zealous US prosecutors on the Microsoft payroll. Want to hear a funny one? A few days ago I had a Dell computer to fix, an older Dimension, so generic hardware still fits and works. I upgraded the RAM and installed a bigger HD. this one has the PS2 ports for mouse and keyboard, instead of the USB ports on modern Dells. I borrowed a copy of a Dell Windows XP Restore disc from a friend, installed it, and when I went to update, it informed me that the software was not genuine Microsoft! It came with a Dell Dimension PC! So, went to Pirate Bay and downloaded Windows XP Activated, it went right in, and Microsoft saw no problem with it. Now explain that. A pirate copy is genuine, and a genuine is pirated. Now when Windows 8 come out, we can really put the screws on Microsoft. Why pay for it when it can be had for free?

By the way, I am a member of The Free Software Foundation



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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Who the feck put the yanks in charge of the internet and you can have your google back too


Hear, Hear, but unfortunately Iceland and Sweden are still both constrained by the fact that the Yanks own a BIG chunk of the Internet infrastructure.

As I said they can pull the plug on any ISP at the backbone or satellites and that effectively restricts it to being routed within it's own country or such areas that are not routed through US owned equipment.

Believe me it would be very difficult, and unfortunately the WiFi nets whist an excellent idea not requiring any ISP again are stymied by the fact that they don't have the range and thus are restricted by the final jump point where it hits the fibre backbone or the satellite link.

if you have windows run this command at a DOS prompt:

tracert www.abovetopsecret.com

You will see exactly which nodes your request passes through - you might be surprised at some of them.

for me it is

Tracing route to www.abovetopsecret.com
over a maximum of 30 hops:

cust.westnet
westnetdns
packetexchange.net
cr01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net
cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net
cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net
pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net
softlayer-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net
po5.dar01.sr01.dal01.networklayer.com
static.reverse.softlayer.com

Trace complete.

That is tonight. Other nights it is routed through Dublin and London and then out to the States.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:41 PM
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This is a great idea.

This is truly a step in the right direction: free information and media to all people.


The corporations, not surprisingly, want you to pay more and more money for these things. They want to divide the internet so you have to pay separately for news, games, music, movies, etc. What they REALLY want is humanity's boot up their cancerous asses. And this is delivering it. Kudos to the Swedes.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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I think there most definitely is a right answer, and it's no. Free speech and privacy are natural rights. They may not intrude in our homes, open our mail, or record our phone calls to make sure that we aren't guilty of a crime they didn't even know about, and I see no reason why our computers should be the exception.

Pirate ISP is an excellent idea and one that needs to be put into practice widely. The only way online privacy will ever be allowed to become firmly entrenched as a legal right is if widespread civil disobedience makes it impossible to deny.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Pinke

What about the more dangerous criminals or child sex offenders?



See, that was my first thought. What about pedophiles? This sounds like something they would flock to in order to anonymously find and view child porn, and god knows what else....


A disgusting thought... One that needs to be considered for all who think a pirated ISP is a good thing... I guess it depends on your intentions....

Mixed feelings here I guess.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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I agree with this concept. If you want to live in a monetary society thats fine and dandy, but in todays age, millions disagree, and are willing to do what it takes to change it.

If you have information, good luck keeping it for profit. 10 years ago you could win $10 000 for a funny video. Today you get 10 000 views. A hint that this is no society for money. Yet we try, and the poor suffer the back lashes.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Privacy is one issue. Stealing copyrighted material is another all together. One is desirable, the other is just criminals acting like criminals.

The site should accept full culpability if it allows people to steal copyrighted material. Otherwise its just another crime group.

Interesting how people use anger at the government as an excuse to commit crimes, when in fact it makes them just as bad as the government.

YES to fighting for privacy, NO to providing a vehicle for people to commit crimes on purpose. One is noble the other is just catering to thieves.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 06:59 PM
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Yarrrrr!

Perhaps the Swedes are finally making karmic amends for ghoulishly culling wild rabbits to burn as fuel.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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What about my house though? There's privacy at my house, and I haven't noticed any pedophiles flocking in. But there's only one way the government can be sure I suppose, but they better tell the stakeout guys to bring enough Chinese food for me too.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Privacy is one issue. Stealing copyrighted material is another all together. One is desirable, the other is just criminals acting like criminals.

The site should accept full culpability if it allows people to steal copyrighted material. Otherwise its just another crime group.

Interesting how people use anger at the government as an excuse to commit crimes, when in fact it makes them just as bad as the government.

YES to fighting for privacy, NO to providing a vehicle for people to commit crimes on purpose. One is noble the other is just catering to thieves.



Stealing stealing stealing... There are those words again.

I don't think you quite understand how filesharing works, and how it pertains to the concept of "stealing"... but this is a very old argument.

I stopped caring about the plight of the "poor rich artists" when I saw Metallica in front of the RIAA, crying their eyes out on camera... because they couldn't buy additional private islands with castles on them and gold plated Rolls Royce's, all because a few people might be downloading their music. I applaud bands that have the cojones to release their own torrents, like Nine Inch Nails have done. If you love music / art, the money is nice but real people know that's not what's important in life. The RIAA and specifically the people that support it just separate the phonies from the genuine.

Which side are you on?



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Pinke
I sort of don't mind this idea ...

But then at the same time not all of this information at an ISP is used to track mostly innocentish people. What about the more dangerous criminals or child sex offenders?

I'm always torn between my privacy and my safety on this issue - I'm afraid there is no correct answer.


That sort of behavior goes unchecked already. People assume that child pornography is extremely rare and super "underground invisible" on the internet, but it's not.

I hate to say it, but if you think otherwise, then you're a bit of an amateur. There is virtually no stopping it, it's only pushed away to the back alleys of the net, which is how it's always been, and always will be, barring any drastic net changes in the coming decades.

Of course, players in the societal control game will surely use "children" as their ammunition against this sort of thing, and people will buy it. Anonymity has always been a common rule of the internet. Going off the grid on the net, is very easy. This party is simply providing an outlet for people who want to avoid being exploited by corporations and corrupt government loopholes.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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As soon as one of these starts in the UK I'm signing straight up it's a lot more to do with privacy than Piracy though in the UK ISP's at present are arranging to have all data routed through a third party called phorm to watch everything we do and target Ad's at us.

Phorm allegedly used to be a spyware company and the big ISP's are basicly going to sell everything we type or click on in real time to them this is not what any of us signed up for and is actually in my opinion outrageous.

It's got to the stage we need ISP's like this just to be able to click a link without it appearing on a database somewhere, We are basicly paying them to spy on us at present, Call me old fashioned but when I click a link I want to be directly connected not routed through a third part I don't want snooping on me and slowing me down.

I'll definitely pay extra for an ISP that simply does what it's supposed to .



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by Pinke
I sort of don't mind this idea ...

But then at the same time not all of this information at an ISP is used to track mostly innocentish people. What about the more dangerous criminals or child sex offenders?

I'm always torn between my privacy and my safety on this issue - I'm afraid there is no correct answer.


Is that REALLY worth YOUR privacy?!?!?!?!? REALLY THINK ABOUT IT!!! Its the same old rhetoric ! Take my privacy away but you will catch a handful more child molesters each year. Im tired of people like you and the others who are bred to be sheep decide whats good for me and other people its OLD.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by Interfacer]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by Pinke

What about the more dangerous criminals or child sex offenders?



See, that was my first thought. What about pedophiles? This sounds like something they would flock to in order to anonymously find and view child porn, and god knows what else....


A disgusting thought... One that needs to be considered for all who think a pirated ISP is a good thing... I guess it depends on your intentions....

Mixed feelings here I guess.



Some drivers on the road may crash into you. That is why we should institute automatic cars controlled by a satellite. Since there is a minimal amount of risk involved, that means no one should be trusted and everyone's ability to freely do something should be taken away.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by LieBuster
Don't trust so called free proxy servers but do trust the Tor network because it's the best i've seen.



No don't trust TOR, there are a number of vulnerablilities in TOR and there are rumours that various nodes have been set up by intelligence services. There are also some vulnerables regarding the websites you visit using scripts to track you. Somewhere online there is a PDF named "peeling the onion" which talks about TOR vulnerabilites. It only deals with two specific ones but you should check it out.


While ICANN is a private corporation their ties to the US government are sickening as they basically control all domains. No matter who you are and what you're doing online you end up dealing with ICANN.

I think back in the late 90's there were rumblings from the UN about regulating ICANN and making things more public and globally controlled but once again the US put a stop to that.

We have to ask ourselves, do we want one country to have control over a global system of communication, a system which allows free flowing of information.

So i say good on the pirate party



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