Jesus does not save...

I guess as the judge I would have had to ask the farmer what has been accomplished in praise of Jesus? In the time and effort spent making the sign, what real good was done? Since the message has done nothing but foster anger and cause fighting, what good is being done in the energy spent keeping this going? Could not more good have been done with the same time and energy in order to either spread the word or just spread the love?

Well..

After guy painted the white letters in red and yellow. Court as ruled the text Jesus saves is allowed to stay since only the white letters were ruled to go.

That's a double edged ruling. On one hand, the judges found a way to dismiss the case and allow the man his free speech, but sad in the sense that they didn't actually stand up against the idea of censorship. They didn't toss out the bathwater, they just moved the baby.

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Yes they did.

i think that is called bureaucracy.

He should be allowed to put what ever he wants on his barn, but when it offends the neighbors then the local government gets involved. I bet a number of people complained about the sign. They probably thought it would ruin the property value in the area. These signs are along the interstates and everyone just ignores them, probably rolling their eyes as they pass by them. Same is probably true of this guy's barn.

What the guy should probably be doing if he wants to get the message out "That Jesus Saves" is by getting to know his neighbors and developing a relationship where they have trust in him. By his deeds they should see he is living a kind loving neighbor living by the creeds of Christ. He will get people more interested in why Christ Saves by his own actions. Go and make disciples involves more than putting a sign on your barn. You got to put your feet to the dirt or the pavement.

By the way, the sign "Christ Saves" doesn't explain much into the nature of what really happened. It all stems from Adam and Eve. Everybody's genetic code is derived from them. When they ate of the forbidden fruit they instantly were awarded the death sentence because of what God warned them about: "Eat this fruit and you will die." It was all about free will and order in the universe. The two things had to have balance. They disobeyed and their lives were terminated almost a 1000 years later. God could have just killed them on the spot and made new humans but the free will/order issue still would not have been resolved. It may have repeated once again. He could have made robot like humans will no free will but the point was to make humans in God's image, with pure free will just like him. If all intelligent creatures, human and spirit, were more like robots then God would have been all alone without anyone to relate to.

Back to the point of Jesus Saves. Adam and Eve's tainted genetic code passed on to all of us. The death sentece was spread to everyone. God cannot lie and so all offspring of Adam and Eve had to end in death. Anything God says he has to stick too. That's why he had to lock up the garden of eden because of the tree of life. If Adam and Eve ate from that tree after they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and bad then God would have to honor his original saying of giving life. It was loop hole. God is bound by his own law. I think if he broke his own law one day the universe would implode. The equation would divide by zero and it would be all over.

What Jesus did was replace Adam and Eve's genetic code with his. When he died as a perfect being he cancelled out the error of Adam and Eve. Jesus adopted mankind as his new sons and daughters with eternal life in view. Now God's original statement of the death sentence had a work around. There is a catch, however. This isn't a "Free get out of Jail" card. To be adopted by Jesus there is work involved. You have to live the life like Jesus. His life course is what Adam and Eve should have lived. A self sacrificing, helpful, loyal, loving, caring person; The fruitages of the spirit and so forth. You know what I mean.

Sorry for being preachy. This is what I felt when I read the opening post.

-Lostinspace

Humans should not be denied their right to Expression. In America, we are free to express ourselves. if the homeowner decided that was an appropriate way for him to express himself, he should be able to do it. The message was not harmful to anyone. Some who are in denial of truly how powerful Jesus Christ is may be offended but that comes from their ignorance of who Christ really is.

The message was positive and I feel the homeowner had good intentions when he put it on his roof. He should be able to express himself. I don't call this a form of religion pushed on anyone. it was placed on a roof where anyone can read it. He's not making anyone convert. There is no harm in putting out a message that is positive. In my opinion, Jesus does Save. If a person can't handle the homeowner's right to expression and seek to stifle his message, they are the oppressors.

Jesus is your redeemer even if you don't believe in him.

Here are some great video's on God's grace in Jesus Christ by Kent Mattox. Jesus was not a bastard.






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