Is it a glitch in the Matrix?

reply to post by DGFenrir


Just about everything on ATS could provoke a schizophrenic so there really is no relevance in stating that this thread is any different.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by LightofLiberty]

Originally posted by LightofLiberty
reply to post by DGFenrir

 

Just above everything on ATS could provoke a schizophrenic so there really is no relevance in stating that this thread is any different.

This thread directly states that schizophrenia might be a glitch.

great thread OP...dont mind the debunkers nobody can actually explain the human brain, although they try like hell! and get paid for it! there are things humans dont understand>>>fact.

The religion of scion otherwise known as mainstream peer review science decrees "I don't understand this person his perception is differing he must be insane his work must be unfounded as it doesn't sit with the policy of the policy gods that want to make money" how can you expect any other reply from such indoctrinated drug dealers that continue to comment that "he's just insane" when the very action of the medications they use perturbs normal brain function.
Lab coat wearing frauds.
You're snake oil salesman legitimized by a bunch criminals.
Using poisons as treatments.
So these people have taken a substance or perhaps partially awakened dorment brain function and you in your clearly infinite wisdom can't have that because it doesn't serve to grease the cogs in the machine of the economy.
Now if a person has been traumatized they can have fragmentation created personalities, basically the course of treatment is to kill off or reduce stimulation to certain parts of the brain suppressing creative function and completely altering the normal chemistry with inhibitors or straight out poisons like prozac, talk crap about your little crutch all you like but these things cause brain shrinkage as they kill cells they choke of glands due to being made of almost totally fluoride in some cases. Only those that have been traumatized and are having trouble coping need serious help and not neccessarily drugs as they are a crutch you stooges stoop to in order to avoid actually being doctors. Do you understand what a doctor is? It's a teacher and you are meant to be teaching these people how to cope not to be dependent and in this you are jokes and vampires that suck at your patients for nourishment.
If a person is of no risk to anyone such poisoning is ridiculous, to tell them it is required is just to hook another patient and get a nice bonus.
All you present is worst case scenarios to further your broad bat approach bull#. Generally attested as sane people do ridiculous things all the time you expect to guilt people into accepting your vampirism good luck with that your not helping people your helping yourself. The crazies of the world are the psychiatrists because they are attracted to it out of their own issues they crave someone to tell them how they should be thinking as they are broken. And if their indoctrinated structure of what "should" be is disrupted their world might cave in around them.
I'm sure you would protest but what of these people they need to be cogs they need to work to earn a living, no they bloody well don't that is yet another indoctrination they need to be self sustaining this doesn't involve being a cog in the big runaway gravy train it involves learning how nature provides recognizing the environment they are in causes the problems they are having and reacquainting them with natural living. Do you think you got into this skyscraper prison out of nowhere it just showed up? could you build it yourself with all the nothing you know of the processes of nature. Ofcourse not you think your above that but drop you in the jungle what happens your ability to prescribe drugs kinda doesn't come in handy anymore does it? Your disconnected from life and psychotic how can anyone take such peoples opinions as agreeable which is the closest thing to fact in a mental dimension of reactive motion...

I think I have Schizophrenia figured out. Ironically from a video game.

Assassin's Creed I and Assassin's Creed II have a machine in the game that is primarily used to play through the perspective of the main character's ancestors' eyes, Reliving their moments of life in a virtual world.

My Point? The technology was described as unlocking very OLD and SEALED sections of a person's DNA that contain the entire memory of an ancestor.

I believe Schizophrenia is a disorder in which the individual is unlocking incidentally unlocking these memories inside their own DNA, thus experiencing visuals in the real world, where, what your ancestor saw is "virtually merging" with what wis occuring in the current world. Thus you may see these intelligent individuals speaking (something one of your ancestors may have witnessed in their life). It's called "the bleeding effect" in the game, and the main character is warned not to spend too much time in the machine because it has mental affects after long uses that included your world merging with the ancestors world through your eyes.

Just my opinion as it made sense in a kind of sci-fi way.

Originally posted by LightofLiberty
WARNING: This may be uninteresting to most of you but it is important to me.

So I’ve been watching parts of the matrix and it occurred to me that perhaps schizophrenics are experiencing a glitch in their matrix. Instead of experiencing nothing out of the ordinary as most people or 99% of the population does we have experiences that are bizarre and out of this world. Of course people have odd experiences but not of this kind.

When I experienced my first episode there was a singularity about it that I cannot explain accurately to those who have not been there. All through my life I’ve experienced these glitches, I’ve had gut instincts about things that were going to happen before they happened. And in my first episode of schizophrenia the events were overshadowed by something more powerful than I can contemplate. I’ve heard (yes, I actually heard it) and seen a footprint in a stream of water flowing through a gutter with no one around, I’ve seen five Indians in a hallucination, I’ve heard what sounds like demons talking to me, I’ve also heard brilliant music in my head and snippets of intellectual conversations that I could not fathom on my own consciously. Where do these things come from?!?!?!? I want to be as intelligent as the people holding the conversations in my head or at least hear more than snippets of their conversations.

What do you think? Do you believe schizophrenic individuals are experiencing some kind of glitch in the matrix? I’m interested to know your opinions.

Thank you for your future thoughtful reply.

reply to post by LightofLiberty


well until we stop imprisoning and admiting, our highly intelligent people. You might be onto something.. I have learned that most times people who are sensitive and speak out, get ridiculed and laughed at, for their keen senses or what have you. The majority of people still have that mindset that the World is flat..

Allot of things are bad now, and its the sensative that pick it up first...

to hell with all that would rather think the world is flat.. they are just jealous...

reply to post by LightofLiberty


Thanks for the reply LightofLiberty. I was no way insinuating any of the above applied to you. Of course I know nothing about you, I was just making my observations from what I have seen.

I obviously would not be qualified to diagnosis your condition, and it sounds like you're already convinced of your mental disorder, so you've been to the doctors already. And I would never try to dissuade you away from believing anything that is not true. As one poster here stated, it would be wrong to try and dissuade a mentally disabled person to believe they were not. That would be like telling a man who lost a limb, that it's still there, and then have him try to walk like a normal man. It seems to me, the most horrible disabilities are the ones that are invisible, for you appear to be normal to others, and they may not just grasp the struggle you are going through on the inside.

Now, with the above-mentioned in mind, I also know that the modern-day college educated mind is more apt to believe in itself, and disbelieve in anything else. That is the more educated a person is, the more materialistic their world-view, and the more skeptical they become of anything spiritual. But their is a spiritual reality, which many doctors and professors overlook, and there are, without a doubt, a large number of people with demonic problems, even possession that are incorrectly diagnosed as mentally ill.

On another thread I posted my personal experiences with the demonic while I was growing up. And that's one other thing I would like to add here. If you have dabbled into the occult in any of its many forms (such as fortunetellers, talking with the dead, meditation, yoga, Ouija board, witchcraft, amulets, spells, charms) etc. it opens you up to demonic attack. Demons like to use these things like a fisherman uses different bait to attract fish. If you've dabbled in any of these things, or live with anyone that has, or even have possessions that were once used in witchcraft or spirtistic practices, you may very likely be experiencing real life demonic problems. Whether or not you have a mental illness, they certainly can make you think you are mentally ill, and if you are, exacerbate the problem tenfold.

It would seem to me that if this disease is of a disassociative or disconnected nature. . .from what's deemed "normal", then it should only balance itself by being associated or connected to something else. We must remember that it is the nature of humanity to identify/label things that are not completely understood. Humanity itself being the imperfect perfection, habitually must re-evaluate some things they have previously defined. Bottom line. . .how do we really know anything at all? Just because someone defines this disease doesn't mean they know everything about it.

I honestly have been thinking the same thing. I don't know what you mean by the "Matrix" but most my family (Even I am starting to show signs of it) have some sort of schizophrenia/Bi-polar disorder. I honestly just thought that it's a possibility that they could be hear or seeing things that are actually there. Their minds might be somewhat unlocked. . . to me, I think you might be onto something.

On thread

When some one say : hey budy, whe are in a matrix ! I have a tendency to ask them if they need my spair change and smile back

I was going to laught at this thread I dicided to indulge myself, ATS being a nice place to read and reconsider stuff on many subjets.

On this one I'm pretty supprise with what some of you guys showed me.

Originally posted by LightofLiberty
Furthermore, this is interesting. www.simulation-argument.com...

Originally posted by xspinx
media.abovetopsecret.com...

"Adrian P. Cooper - The reality matrix" as explained in a brillant way what as alway been my perception of reality, matter and energy. Intuitively whitout using deep math algo. I alway thought that the universe was all about vibrations/frenquecies, not particles. Is analogie of matter being "light cooled down" is pretty facinating... and more!

Thanks a lot for this docs ! Will give me something to read for a month !

Perception and reality are pretty large concept and hard to grasp. My guess is that we are limited by are senses and are experience in reality. Having an imagination lets us breaks this limitation so we can figure thing out has they get more complexe. But it's also a double edge sword! I guess some one could get lost in reality from using to much imagination. How, why ? No idea !

My personal experience that could be describe as a glitch are limited to "déja vu". Sometime there very clear as i try to recall then and other times I just cant figure them out. In both case, I alway get that fealing of confusion that last for few seconde and it pretty unknowing. It's something I never realy pay much attention. Can't wait for my next "déja vu" !

Out thread ...

You guy are speculating on schidzo... I'd go and use critical thinking and say, you guy are not doctor But I want to comment too

My bet is, psychology is not regonized as a science, it's patern matching base on personnel experinces. Neurologie is just the science of the brain and its chemical reaction. The brain is a small chemical lab all by it's self and chemical inbalance affect to way we think and react. I like to belive that chemical inbalance is not a healness, it's just make you think dand react diffently. Sometime it's scarry radical and something it's very beautiful. Nerver the less, there humain !

How many diff. type of syntesis there is for headheck medication ? It's almost as personal as chosing a dental paste flavor. Viagra and Cialis do the same thing but not with the same chemical or syntesis .

A group of people talks to God and it's ok it called religion. but if one person speak to Elvis, he's schizo

Any how ! Very nice tread F&S for ya !

I know folks ... bad english ! *not shy at all*

[edit on 1-7-2010 by truthy-bird]

I am an empath. Caregiver. Ran a home for schizophrenics, 10 of them, had fun.
One client had the most vivid hallucinations, mostly scary, one was triggered by a picture of something we put on the refrigerator. Proof of cause?
One day she sat down with me. They all trusted me, of course, cause they can feel better than others. They knew I was there to help.
She said a profound thing, I will never forget it.
She said "You dream while you are asleep. You are lucky. We dream while we are awake."
I have very vivid dreams, and scary ones.
I understood then what she was experiencing, and I share this with others so they can see how small the line is between us all.
Consciousness and dreams are fascinating, levels of consciousness are interesting. We are all experiencing our own thing, pretending we all get another's deal:
and then some news person says "Drug War."
lolol.
The money would be better spent exploring the levels of consciousness in the human brain, and the ramifications of this. We could all benefit by learning about dreaming, IMO. The MSM avoids this like a plague. Like we are not here when asleep. Like the NDE is a fabrication. Like ghosts are a joke.
I think it is more about our true being, and our spirit, than a matrix created by any temporal cause. Few will talk about it tho ! Too scary. Not inside the boxes.
May you be blessed.

I knew someone with schizophrenia. She used to say Jesus was sitting there talking to her, she would see demons doing bad things to people all around. Then would be perfectly normal other times.

It could be during these "episodes" that a certain part of the brain opens up to the world that we don't see.

Originally posted by LightofLiberty
WARNING: This may be uninteresting to most of you but it is important to me.

So I’ve been watching parts of the matrix and it occurred to me that perhaps schizophrenics are experiencing a glitch in their matrix. Instead of experiencing nothing out of the ordinary as most people or 99% of the population does we have experiences that are bizarre and out of this world. Of course people have odd experiences but not of this kind.

When I experienced my first episode there was a singularity about it that I cannot explain accurately to those who have not been there. All through my life I’ve experienced these glitches, I’ve had gut instincts about things that were going to happen before they happened. And in my first episode of schizophrenia the events were overshadowed by something more powerful than I can contemplate. I’ve heard (yes, I actually heard it) and seen a footprint in a stream of water flowing through a gutter with no one around, I’ve seen five Indians in a hallucination, I’ve heard what sounds like demons talking to me, I’ve also heard brilliant music in my head and snippets of intellectual conversations that I could not fathom on my own consciously. Where do these things come from?!?!?!? I want to be as intelligent as the people holding the conversations in my head or at least hear more than snippets of their conversations.

What do you think? Do you believe schizophrenic individuals are experiencing some kind of glitch in the matrix? I’m interested to know your opinions.

Thank you for your future thoughtful reply.

I reckon schizophrenics need a lot of time and help spent with them to find out more about this terrible desease.


But mate... If you actually believe we live in a "matrix" type world, you need to lay off the drugs!!!

Pretty sure it means one suffering from that disease is officially insane.





[edit on 1-7-2010 by Gakus]

reply to post by Shikamaru

As a schizophrenic I will answer you your video game analogy is correct my reality does involve either human or non-human intelligences with technologies so advanced that they can play planet earth like you play playstation I have experienced bending of time and space for example when one hospital I was in turned into a giant maze,time line collapses like the morning I went to the supermarket and found a brand new shopping centre in its place which dissapeared by the next day,it was built 3 years AFTER my experience,I have been subjected to physical,mental and spiritual torture probaby via advanced microwave technology been subject to live stream visions being pumped in or line of sight disturbances where they will change the pictures on tv and many other things that can be concieved of in terms of technology.

Also these intelligences have access to the demonic I have been struck down and struck dumb on numerous occassions and suffered night hags,etc etc.So playstation has both a technological and spiritual component it also has alternate realities for example ever seen flying lizards?or an 'angel' which look more like a giant bat than the pretty pictures in Christian kiddy books,its a lot more technical than ancestor memory sorry many of my episodes have been set in the future.

reply to post by LightofLiberty


a sure way is to have some one bare witness with you. i.e. show some one else the footprints and see if they see it too. other thoughts about it is that there maybe some cases of pure chemical imbalances in the body. some say its the boundary of dream state crossing over to conscience states but other times it can be very multi dimensional occurrences as well as spiritual. some say it is one of the hardest tests for our up and coming generations of the human species. recognize your crown chakra and the many that are above that.

best of luck and continue to be true to yourself and to others and do good deeds. many blessings to you and if you wish it i will send you beneficial energy.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Archirvion

 

Thank you, I am not the only one who recognises the stupidity of this claim.

I have said it before, Propagandist and skeptics will often go out of there way to use a honest mistakes, or misunderstanding of a particular instance, to debunk a whole situation, even if they them self's dont fully understand the situation. They will use it as evidence of stupidity or dishonesty, in order to deter those who might otherwise enter healthy debate.

Kevinunknown is a perfect example of this, and I have seen him use this aggressive tactic to deter people from communicating or entering debate over one subjective opinion or another. I have seen him do this numerous times, in my short life on ATS.

In my humble opinion there is absolutely nothing stupid about the authors idea. I think it is a brilliant example of knowledge that comes through intuitive inspiration, be it right or wrong. I may not know where the answers are, but I know where they are not. They are not with pharmaceuticals, as these only treat symptoms.

But no... Kevinunknown says this thread is stupid, so lets close her down guys...

Keep your mind and your heart open. Great thread.

reply to post by kevinunknown


Noone is saying that schizophrenics should stop taking their medicine, and althought not all brilliant minds have been schizophrenics, some have been such as John Forbes Nash Jr, who was recipient of the prestigious Carnegie Prize for mathematics, but was also a schizophrenic.

He had the inspiration for the concept called "governing dynamics", which is a theory in mathematical economics. He also developed works in partial differential equations, game theories, and differential geometry, all of which take a look at the events of chance, and the forces that govern daily life.

Brilliant minds have often been eccentric to the point of looking crazy to "a normal person", whatever that means, and some of them have truly been schizophrenics, or had some other mental illnesses.

I do think that some people who are or have been very intelligent have been labeled as being crazy because some of their ideas have been ahead of their times, and as such were labeled as crazy. However, that is not to say that there are no mental illnesses, and people who suffer allucinations which do not exist, which there are unfortunately.

However, I do not believe we are in any "matrix", we are however living in a world, and a universe which is part of several dimensions, and there is a very real possibility that at least some people who have been labeled as crazy were just unfortunate, or fortunate enough to see a glimpse into another reality that made them unable to cope with what they saw, but have been unfortunately labeled as crazy for talking about things that no "normal person" can see, or even hear.

But again, I am not advocating for schizophrenics or anyone else suffering from any mental illness to stop taking their medication.



[edit on 1-7-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

and I am laughing at the stupidity of ATS ...

Originally posted by Faiol
and I am laughing at the stupidity of ATS ...

Well, that response only shows your own stupidity.

The member was inquiring about his own unfortunate condition, yet you somehow find this amusing and stupid?... You do know you just made an a.. of yourself didn't you?...