You had me at oil

Absolutely, spot on, the only reason anyone gives half a crap about Iran as the next military target is, wait for it...... oil.

Unfortunately, I don't think most care that our brothers and sisters are fighting, being killed, or killing others for the profit of companies and a select group of individuals.

Yep...pipelines and chokepoints. So worth dying for indeed.

I need this war, you need this war, we as Americans all need this war, why? Because we need to drive to work, write on our new plastic laptop or our new plastic ipod, because it all comes from oil. Our entire modern society is based on oil, not just for gas, but literally everyhting manufactured had something to do with oil

I bet the US would gather more support if they told the American people: if you want to drive your cars tommorow and buy another iphone, we have to go to war instead of making up ridiculous stories...and I bet a lot of people would go along with it too...

It is very easy for iran to block the gulf...they just have to rain cluster bomb missles toward carriers relenentlessly and mine the heck out of that area and put in a few subs there and any other contrived things....like drop millions of gallons of acid into the water to eat at the ship hulls....throw lots of fish food into the straights and send off seagulls with aluminum foil to confuse radar...lots of tactics can be used to confound enemy forces...

Actually its not oil it's dollars. Iran hurts the US economy by making oil available in other then dollars. That is why we attacked Iraq and will attack Iran and then Syria all three are the only three major oil producing countries that would not agree to sign on to buying our debt if we bought thier oil with the catch of they have to take dollars only for oil not only from us but from everyone else. This is why even though it was supposedly all Saudis (I know) who took out the WTC We attacked Iraq...

But it is about dollars. So they must feel that if they cannot get Iran to comply and they stop taking dollars period causing a panic in the market and killing the dollar they better take out Iran now. I doubt they would move all those assets in place to just try and bluff them.

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Have you ever heard of the TARSANDS,we have more oil than Saudi Arabia ever had RIGHT HERE in Canada,strait of who cares maybe,America is our pal,they share nukes with us and we share oil with them.

We really dont need the Arabs oil anymore,let the rest of the world fight over what is left there.

Iran is not threatening the shipping lanes, other than to say that they will if we attack them. You and I don't need a war with Iran because if we don't attack them, they won't shut-off the Straight of Hormuz.

We have to always keep in mind that regardless of what the MSM and our government says, Iran has not acted aggressively, nor have they acted belligerently. In fact, Iran has never been aggressive in modern history. Did they attack our embassy? Sure, but only because we backed the Shah, an evil dictator who severely oppressed the Persian people. In fact, it was the CIA who over-threw the democratically elected government to install the Shah for the purposes of extracting cheap oil to benefit the oil companies, not you and I.

If the oil companies get cheap oil, that doesn't benefit us, as they sell us the oil at the same price while beefing up their own bottom-line. The price of gasoline is not really affected by how cheap the oil companies obtain the oil, rather it is priced off of speculation and supply and demand. TPTB or the oil companies purposefully keep the number of refineries down, thereby driving up the price of the oil and ultimately their profits.

I say again, an attack on Iran will not benefit the people, it will only benefit those with certain economic and strategic motives. We will wind up paying the price for their benefit and that's about all there is to it.

--airspoon


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Originally posted by one4all
Have you ever heard of the TARSANDS,we have more oil than Saudi Arabia ever had RIGHT HERE in Canada,strait of who cares maybe,America is our pal,they share nukes with us and we share oil with them.

We really dont need the Arabs oil anymore,let the rest of the world fight over what is left there.

You've got to be kidding right? TARSANDS isn't even oil. Its a substance similar to oil but cannot be refined to make petroleum or even replace a quarter of the edifice that light sweet crude has been able to make.

Your beloved Tarsands uses billions of gallons of fresh water to boil and gas to burn. Just extracting tarsands is virtually a negative net energy out put.

In other words your more or less use more energy than you get from extracting it. Mainstream loves to portray these "solutions" as just that, solutions.

Canadian tarsands is NOT a solution to oil.

You know what its mainly used for? Asphalt. Thats almost all you can do with, and some plastics and chemicals.

Keep dreaming

I think oil is a secondary motive.

Let me ask you this: how many countries will the US have to attack--which just happen to be arch enemies of Israel, and which Israel, through their massive lobbying and electoral meddling, insists be attacked--before people get a case of the smarts and figure out that the US is Israel's bitch and will go to war with any country Israel wants us to go to war with?

The last time the US drug its feet--refusing to bow to extreme Israeli pressure to attack Iraq--we got 911.

These wars, they're all about Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. How else can you explain our attacking ANOTHER country that hasn't attacked us, hasn't attacked an ally, and in Iran's case, hasn't attacked anyone? It's no coincidence that each of these countries just happens to be on Israel's hit list.

Yes, the United States IS Israel's bitch. Once that's understood, one can begin to understand the rest.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity

Funny things about motives and agendas...alliances can form even if those are different for each ally. And they can change fast too. Think Russian and China.
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Sure, if I understand correctly, you're suggesting that we may have differing motives toward the same ends, right? I'll go along with that as far as it goes.

But the problem in the case of the US obsequiousness to Israel is that the US doesn't have a choice. Consider--is it in the US best interests to even be an ally of an outlaw state like Israel, let alone fight their wars for them, and in the process inflame the oil-rich nations that are Israel's enemies? And yet that is exactly what we do.

And what politician can look forward to reelection who takes even a balanced approach to Israel, let alone an adversarial one? It's political death. They control US.

It's not about oil , Obama apparently doesn't care about oil .Surely the Gulf of Mexico proves that ! Apparently he thinks the States has excess and needs to dump some .

Nomad451,do some research on the oil reserves in Canada.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I need this war, you need this war, we as Americans all need this war, why? Because we need to drive to work, write on our new plastic laptop or our new plastic ipod, because it all comes from oil. Our entire modern society is based on oil, not just for gas, but literally everyhting manufactured had something to do with oil

You don't need this. There is going to be significant blowback coming your way.

What goods an Ipod if you're under attack?

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I need this war, you need this war, we as Americans all need this war, why? Because we need to drive to work, write on our new plastic laptop or our new plastic ipod, because it all comes from oil. Our entire modern society is based on oil, not just for gas, but literally everyhting manufactured had something to do with oil

Fine, ill give it to you that nearly everything is made from oil, but if your starting a war to kill millions only for selfish motives and profit then nothing will be accomplished, ie the current two wars.

What about the war itself, the military uses more oil than all domestic transportation combined? Does it make any sense to go to war for something that you are consuming in the process?

What about after the ware and all the oil is gone, who are you going to attack next to get more oil?

This is a pointless game that has no positive outcome for either side. Watch the movie "Collapse", "Crude Awakening", "Global Dimming" "End of Sububia" to figure all of this out. Unfortunately none of them offer a tangible solution which aims at the root cause of our problems.

Please check out my signature for a possible solution.

Originally posted by one4all
Nomad451,do some research on the oil reserves in Canada.

I have pal. Canadian tar sands isn't worth a pinch of crap

Why don't you do some research?

Are you talking about the oilsands that are abundant in Canada and are like a sand covered in an oily goo?

Because if you are you are a bloody moron.I have done the research first hand.I worked there for eight years.

Nuclear power can be used and current and predictive technology has made it very profitable to retrieve the oil,and just wait until the price of a barrel triples.

We dont need the Arabs.





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