If war or attacks on Iran occur it wont be because of the straight of Hormitz but rather to keep Israel with a balance of power. This is why the average american tax payer has been "giving" Israel billions each year for decades. They have an airforce more modern and larger than the Saudis yet Israel has no oil.

Anyway if Iran gets the bomb, the overwhelming power of Israel will be challenged. When this happens Israeli dominance and power in the region is weakened but only a little.

Google David Hamel,another Canadian just givven it all away.

Mr.Hamel gave the WORLD FREE ENERGY MANY YEARS AGO.

Free energy,straight from the egyptians writings themselves.

Free to everyone.

The flying disc isnt an illusion ,you must realise this.

Its the implementation of free energy that we CANT ACCOMPLISH,because of the current powers that be.

And remember that there was a day not that long ago when a man said,there is no way it will ever be possible to retrieve that oil---NO WAY POSSIBLY.

well we are removing and selling that oil on a massive and growing scale.

In terms of an immediate and long term solution to arab oil,we are certainly that,however we are not the answer to the energy crisis,the current global supplies may carry us through the transition to free energy worldwide or it may not this is the million dollar question I guess sint it?

[edit on 29-6-2010 by one4all]

Originally posted by searching4truth
Unfortunately, I don't think most care that our brothers and sisters are fighting, being killed, or killing others for the profit of companies and a select group of individuals.

i do!

i hate it!!!!

it is wrong
WRONG
WRONG!!!

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Our entire modern society is based on oil, not just for gas, but literally everyhting manufactured had something to do with oil

true enough - but there are more and more new alternatives being developed as well as others that are old but were rejected, and some demonized, by corporations seeking to control and profit.

we could do without many things, too, without any hardship whatsoever.
habits would have to change but that would be good for our characters, too, to try to exercise a little will-power in place of self-will!

I bet the US would gather more support if they told the American people: if you want to drive your cars tommorow and buy another iphone, we have to go to war instead of making up ridiculous stories...and I bet a lot of people would go along with it too...

i, for one, would not.
granted, the computer i'm using right now is made from oil products...but there's no reason it can't last for a long time and i'll be happy with it indefinitely - already that's how i feel unrelated to oil.

i don't need another iphone (especially since i don't have one to begin with) and i don't need to drive my car tomorrow - as it is, i drive as little as possible, maybe once a week average.

i know that my lifestyle isn't the average American lifestyle but the thing is, it is more than adequate and my satisfaction in life is not related to what i have and how new it is.

there is so much we could do without - and that we could make last, if we tried.

what we already have, from oil products, we already have.
but there's no reason to think we can't live into next year without new products from oil.

our forefathers got on without oil, we could, too!
they didn't get by without war, but i know we could, if we set our minds to it!

part of the problem with our huge consumption of oil-based products is the shoddy way in which things are made nowadays - breaking so easily or wearing out so soon just so we will spend more money replacing it the year after we buy the first one.

more corporate greed.

i WILL never agree to war or to damaging the environment in the name of oil.
and i know what that might mean - i've been thinking about it A LOT lately, in realistic terms.

i'm willing to do anything necessary to achieve PEACE on this planet!

here is a list, not meant to be all-inclusive, but a good idea of the sorts of things we're looking at:

• Ink
  
• Dish-washing liquids
  
• Paintbrushes
  
• Telephones
  
• Toys
  
• Unbreakable dishes
  
• Insecticides
  
• Antiseptics
  
• Dolls
  
• Car sound insulation
  
• Fishing lures
  
• Deodorant
  
• Tires
  
• Motorcycle helmets
  
• Linoleum
  
• Sweaters
  
• Tents
  
• Refrigerator linings
  
• Paint rollers
  
• Floor wax
  
• Shoes
  
• Electrician's tape
  
• Plastic wood
  
• Model cars
  
• Glue
  
• Roller skate wheels
  
• Trash bags
  
• Soap dishes
  
• Skis
  
• Permanent press clothes
  
• Hand lotion
  
• Clothesline
  
• Dyes
  
• Soft contact lenses
  
• Shampoo
  
• Pantyhose
  
• Cameras
  
• Food preservatives
  
• Fishing rods
  
• Oil filters
  
• Combs
  
• Transparent tape
  
• Anesthetics
  
• Upholstery
  
• Dice
  
• Disposable diapers
  
• TV cabinets
  
• Cassettes
  
• Mops
  
• Sports car bodies
  
• Salad bowls
  
• House paint
  
• Purses
  
• Electric blankets
  
• Awnings
  
• Ammonia
  
• Dresses
  
• Car battery cases
  
• Safety glass
  
• Hair curlers
  
• Pajamas
  
• Synthetic rubber
  
• VCR tapes
  
• Eyeglasses
  
• Pillows
  
• Vitamin capsules
  
• Movie film
  
• Ice chests
  
• Candles
  
• Rubbing alcohol
  
• Loudspeakers
  
• Ice buckets
  
• Boats
  
• Ice cube trays
  
• Credit cards
  
• Fertilizers
  
• Crayons
  
• Insect repellent
  
• Water pipes
  
• Toilet seats
  
• Caulking
  
• Roofing shingles
  
• Fishing boots
  
• Life jackets
  
• Balloons
  
• Shower curtains
  
• Garden hose
  
• Golf balls
  
• Curtains
  
• Plywood adhesive
  
• Umbrellas
  
• Detergents
  
• Milk jugs
  
• Beach umbrellas
  
• Rubber cement
  
• Sunglasses
  
• Putty
  
• Faucet washers
  
• Cold cream
  
• Bandages
  
• Tool racks
  
• Antihistamines
  
• Hair coloring
  
• Nail polish
  
• Slacks
  
• Drinking cups
  
• Guitar strings
  
• False teeth
  
• Yarn
  
• Petroleum jelly
  
• Toothpaste
  
• Golf bags
  
• Roofing
  
• Tennis rackets
  
• Toothbrushes
  
• Perfume
  
• Luggage
  
• Wire insulation
  
• Folding doors
  
• Shoe polish
  
• Fan belts
  
• Ballpoint pens
  
• Shower doors
  
• Cortisone
  
• Carpeting
  
• Artificial turf
  
• Heart valves
  
• LP records
  
• Lipstick
  
• Artificial limbs
  
• Hearing aids
  
• Vaporizers
  
• Aspirin
  
• Shaving cream
  
• Wading pools
  
• Parachutes

a lot of that we do NOT need.
a lot of it can be obtained from other sources, albeit it at a higher price tag
some of it can be easily substituted and maybe even with better effects on our health and/or our environment.
some of it is nearly, if not completely, obsolete!

and NONE of it, imo, is worth spending lives upon, in war
none of it, either, equals the value of the life and beauty being killed daily in the Gulf.

just my 0.02

I cannot remember where, but somewhere on here i saw a post that said that cia plants and what not often pose as low level criminals and drug dealers so that if caught they can fall back on that and not a larger charge.

Tptb are smarter than us, they want us to think that it is oil that they are after.
you think if it was oil that they were after they would make it so obvious to us, especially after making it so obvious last time.

It is not oil, think again

i can envision a counter ploy by the USA forces...
all it will take is a devestating saturation bombing of the area around the strait itself, say a 20 mile radius with continual cluster bombing so that nobody could set up and launch any missiles

the further away the Iranian/Persian attack missiles are
the more likely it will be they can be intercepted with those Patriot battery of missiles that have been quietly deployed in Kuwait, Saudi, UAE and other Gulf states during the last 2 years.


yeah, on paper, Iran has a death-claw grip on the oil passageway...but translating that model into actual practice will take many men & resources to affect the naval armadas & tanker traffic

Nerither are 10,000 speedboats with shaped charges, as lethal a force that Iran Revolutionary Guards pretends it to be either.

i hope everyone stands down

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I need this war, you need this war, we as Americans all need this war, why? Because we need to drive to work, write on our new plastic laptop or our new plastic ipod, because it all comes from oil.

Call me old-fashioned but I always thought the best way to secure a reliable flow of essential resources from a supplier was to cultivate good relations with that supplier, not threaten him or behave aggressively and disrespectfully.

My worry is that a huge never before seen rise in the price of oil would suit so many of the interested parties, particularly a party who has the good luck of having their currency used as the currency to buy oil, if the price of oil would shoot up to 500 currency units a barrel, there would be an overwhelming need for said currency, solving the lucky nations debt problem over night.

Also those nations producing oil as their main form of foreign earnings suddenly at no extra cost to themselves those earnings go up by a factor of ten, as I see it, at the mo, China and the EU are the only countries that don't benefit in some way by a massive hike in the price of oil.

[edit on 19-8-2010 by Thepreye]