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Originally posted by whaaa
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by Bravo111
The onus is put upon the experiencer to prove, whereas I personally believe that the onus (in the case of the generic/mass supernatural experiences) should be upon science to discover and ultimately prove.
Science always sets out to explain anomalies such as the one we're referring to. However, such an event can easily be explained without invoking supernatural or mystical means. Remembering the hits and forgetting the misses is a common event in many branches of the "supernatural" including telepathics, psychics, astrologers, etc. Such explanations aren't very exciting though (like much of science), and those that claim a more exciting causation are called upon to verify their claims.
Should the experiments at Duke with Dr. Rhine be dismissed?
Originally posted by Logarock
No he didnt say that friend....Duke university did.
But they kept his research available and sold his books for years.
No this is the lament of those that understand.
Beside are you going to set thier strait faced and say that science can and now does understand everything? Look at the things science knows for a fact exsist and uses them, in the field of physics, but are still at a loss for a complete definition of its true nature.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by Logarock
they ended up firing their lead reasercher becouse he concluded that such things were not a matter of perception.....
My point here is that I perceive that submitting "proof" in this field of hard skeptics
If a professor at Duke concludes there is "supernatural activity" at work without proof then he's setting himself up for dismissal.
Originally posted by Bravo111
I am not debating that there is a lot of sensationalism and pseudo-science out there proclaiming to have the answers and that we absolutely must not fall into the trap of being gullible - I am just seeking the middle ground, as I believe that as yet, science has not been able to address the middle ground for any number of reasons already addressed.
Originally posted by Logarock
What is a cop out is hiding behind scientific methods as the ansewer to all things and taking shots at all that dare disregard this elevated position. Science is just going to have to get out of the box, adjust its tools and join the human race on this subject.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by Bravo111
I am not debating that there is a lot of sensationalism and pseudo-science out there proclaiming to have the answers and that we absolutely must not fall into the trap of being gullible - I am just seeking the middle ground, as I believe that as yet, science has not been able to address the middle ground for any number of reasons already addressed.
Science hasn't addressed a lot of things. But what are these "middle ground" things? Is the "middle ground" the area of the supernatural, mystical, metaphysical, etc?
Originally posted by Bravo111
Lets just say that one could create an independently financed, multi-disciplined scientific group to undertake leading edge research into such material"
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by Logarock
What is a cop out is hiding behind scientific methods as the ansewer to all things and taking shots at all that dare disregard this elevated position. Science is just going to have to get out of the box, adjust its tools and join the human race on this subject.
Nobody claimed scientific methods were the answer to all things. I did say that it was the best known tool we have for discovering facts about the universe.
If someone is going to claim something supernatural, mystical or metaphysical as an answer for some anomaly they should duly be required to demonstrate and verify their claim. This is the same standard any of the sciences follow and also the same method employed by anybody desiring to be taken seriously.