Is Israel the only country not succumbing to Islam?

Like Senator Joseph McCarty who stopped communism in its tracks back in the fifties, and was hated by the world and Hollywood for his success, Israel may be the bubblegum in the hole of the dam, holding back Islam and also hated by Hollywood and the rest of the world for what they are doing.

I'm not for or against Communism, or Islam, “if” that is what the majority of the people want. I would miss my freedoms to live as I choose under those systems so I hope people choose wisely.

If you really study American history. Senator Joesph McCartney did a terrible job in office. McCarthyism is the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, “McCarthyism” soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. During the post–World War II era of McCarthyism, many thousands of Americans were accused of being Communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. Many people suffered loss of employment, destruction of their careers, and even imprisonment. Historian Ellen Schrecker wrote that “in this country, McCarthyism did more damage to the constitution than the American Communist Party ever did.”

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
If you really study American history. Senator Joesph McCartney did a terrible job in office. McCarthyism is the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, “McCarthyism” soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. During the post–World War II era of McCarthyism, many thousands of Americans were accused of being Communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. Many people suffered loss of employment, destruction of their careers, and even imprisonment. Historian Ellen Schrecker wrote that “in this country, McCarthyism did more damage to the constitution than the American Communist Party ever did.”

I agree, but he did stop communism in its tracks, and other countries did not and they suffered under the brutality of communism. Places like China, Cuba, Russia, North Korea, and many third world countries are still feeling the pain of communism.

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Your facts of history are off OP. China is prospering. Cuba as well. The Soviet Union did do well in the beginning but collapsed from poor leadership. You're correct for North Korea though.

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McCarthy did NOT stop communism in it's tracks. The USA was never in danger from communists but hey, without old Bin Laden being around then, there had to be a bogeyman to wave about. Times sure haven't changed much in that regard.

As for Israel holding back the tide of Islam... what countries are you thinking of that have supposedly succumbed to Islam?

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Israel is actually small and insignificant apart from some religious sites. And the Jewish people do tend to stick together. Even here in Australia there are some areas where you simply can not buy property unless you are Jewish, they will simply not sell to you. So I wouldn't expect anything but a vast majority of Jews in Israel.

So no, I dont think it's anything to do with "not succumbing" Its just the Jewish way.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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Your facts of history are off OP. China is prospering. Cuba as well. The Soviet Union did do well in the beginning but collapsed from poor leadership. You're correct for North Korea though.

Some of china is prospering becuase they moved towards capitalims and away from communism a little. Cuba is slowly moving away from communism. Russia, the former USSR has wakened up from the nightmare of Communism and struggling but they will survive.

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Personally I think the principles of Communism are good...
Its the leaders and rich that screw it...

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I'm a socialist and many of us know you can not win a economic battle against capitalism. What I believe is that there needs to be a clean version of capitalism in the world. Nothing corrupted and it must be environmental friendly.

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Good luck with that idea
We can dream..

Originally posted by virgom129
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Personally I think the principles of Communism are good...
Its the leaders and rich that screw it...

... and that makes it different from our current capitalism how exactly?

That is what makes all this Left / Right BS so laughable. Doesn't matter who is supposedly in power, they still answer to the same global corps and bankers and will screw the people to enrich themselves.

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I think thats about what I said..

You do realize that there's a large amount of Muslims in Israel, right?

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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I'm a socialist and many of us know you can not win a economic battle against capitalism. What I believe is that there needs to be a clean version of capitalism in the world. Nothing corrupted and it must be environmental friendly.

Are you a Socialist?
Or, lalala, love the world, love the ecology and universe, quantum and love, we are member of family tree, lalalala new age member?
clean version of capitalism?
read marx again. or read for the first time. but read.

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Sshhhh, dont tell the OP, their vision of israel will be tainted

Originally posted by Britguy
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McCarthy did NOT stop communism in it's tracks. The USA was never in danger from communists but hey, without old Bin Laden being around then, there had to be a bogeyman to wave about. Times sure haven't changed much in that regard.

As for Israel holding back the tide of Islam... what countries are you thinking of that have supposedly succumbed to Islam?

There was a communist movement in america before McCarty and he did harm some people, but not as much as the communist harmed entire nations when they rolled into town unaposed.

All countries have Islam setting up house. If a religion or idea is not growing or expanding it is dieing. Islam is not dieing it is expanding.

Originally posted by Britguy
That is what makes all this Left / Right BS so laughable. Doesn't matter who is supposedly in power, they still answer to the same global corps and bankers and will screw the people to enrich themselves.

I also find it amusing they think a beaten and impoverished (by them) threat is somehow taking over the world.

Especially to the point Israel would be the only nation on Earth that hasn't fallen to this phantom menace.

Mate there is no one but the USA taking over the world. Stop playing the victim card, that's for the Jews. American's aren't being victimised by anyone but themselves.

I think this is what makes religion so dangerous. It allows this type of incredibly biased buck passing. But the OP is just as extremist in his views as any Muslim.

It allows people to be a hundreds times more oppressive and brutal as the people they're supposed to be fighting, but still take the moral high ground.

I don't even know how in the space of a few years we can go from targeting a few isolated extremists that haven't even had a day in court as "terrorists" to basically just having this huge blanket generalisation that "Muslims are trying to take over the world" And "All Muslims are the enemy".

Originally posted by MrXYZ
You do realize that there's a large amount of Muslims in Israel, right?

Yes but not in government, or runing the show. There are Jews in many Muslim countries too, but not in government positions with power.

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The so called communist movement in america was like the old medievil whitch hunts, with people pointing fingers at their innocent neighbours..

From what I've read it was just another BS control excuse from TPTB.

I also dont think Islam is expanding anymore than anyother religion. Its just that everywhere is becoming more multicultural.

Also, people comparing socialism, communism, or free market are a bit delusional. If you take those concepts to the extreme, the outcome will always be bad, and lots of time, they're just plain not feasible because certain assumptions aren't working out.

In theory, socialism would allow the people as a whole to be better off...we all know it doesn't work that way because the people on the top screw the people on the bottom.

Capitalism is very similar. It assumes everyone acts RATIONALLY...however, this is NOT the case as we know. People don't always act rationally, which explains why capitalism as a system is also bound to fail if you take it to the extreme.

The BEST strategy is to take good elements from each strategy, and leave the bad ones out. Sadly, whenever you introduce a socialist strategy, you have one side crying "yay", why the other cries "omgomgomg communism....Staliiiiiiiiiin!!!" no matter if the change is good or not. The same goes for capitalist strategies, no matter if they make sense or not, one side will say "yay", and the other side will cry "eeeeeeeeevil, only helping the big man and leaving the rest of us out in the cold".

That's why this whole partisan bull# is useless. ALL strategies (yes, even communism) have good elements...the trick is to only pick the good ones, and not auto-reject something just because it comes from a communist/socialist/capitalist background.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by MrXYZ]