Thousands flee bloodshed in Kyrgyzstan

Thousands flee bloodshed in Kyrgyzstan

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The Central Asian nation's interim government struggled to stem the worst ethnic clashes since the end of the Soviet Union, as gunbattles between rival groups turned cities into warzones and marauding mobs torched whole villages on a third day of bloodshed.

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What the hell is going on? Its just one country after another falling in to anarchy and chaos.Comments like "Unrest could become much more serious and descend into a regional conflict"are commonplace now.Social order is breaking down around the globe .Is all this trouble related to financial problems or are people just angry and filled with hate for one another.

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I am admittedly ignorant of the history of that region, but it sounds like another smoldering holdover from some previous deal-making where borders were arbitrarily set by outsiders. People of different ethnicities thrown together inside an arbitrary boundary??

Someone who really knows please fill us in on this background. I say redo the borders to a more historically correct location; and then let them proceed with the economic and political cooperation that makes good neighbours.

It is one thing I like about Canada. Ethnicity usually takes a back seat to just getting on with making this a better place for everyone no matter where your ancestors are from.

This is another humanitarian tragedy unfolding before our eyes.

I suppose the European and non-American members will be much better informed on this matter than we will be. I hope you keep us updated, our media becomes ... selective ... it seems, from time to time.

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Yeah it was only in April they had an uprising to oust the government over rising energy prices, the sluggish economy and following the government's closure of several media outlets.

Its the only country in the world to hold both a US and a Russian base - and some suspect the riots were backed by russia because the previous government agreed to the expansion of the US base.

The US are massive supporters of the Uzbeks - one of the worst quasi-dictatorships in the world.


Heating up, thats for sure.

wiki: 2010_Kyrgyzstani_uprising
wiki: 2010_South_Kyrgyzstan_ethnic_riots


ETA:
Who could forget moments like these - its not often you get to see this happen on a wide scale.

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[edit on 13/6/10 by ghostsoldier]

Hmmm..a bit of background.

Yes, earlier this year the government of Kyrgyzstan was overthrown. That previous government of Mr Bakiyev was seen as being too close to the US by Russia. It was also a little too friendly with China for Russia's liking.

Is there proof that Russia helped with the overthrow? Hmm... how about a quote from the new government admitting Russia played a part in it?

Kyrgyzstan: The Revolution's Leaders Cozy Up to Russia

But what remains somewhat unclear is whether Russia was directly involved in the protests that prompted his ousting. On Friday, April 9, Omurbek Tekebayev, another leader of the revolutionary government, claimed that it was. In an interview with Reuters, Tekebayev said Russia had "played a role,"

As for the history of what his happening now there is this.

Kyrgyzstan - History

From the perspective of the Kyrgyz, the most acute nationality problem long had been posed by the Uzbeks living in and around the city of Osh, in the republic's southwest. Although Kyrgyzstan was only about 13 percent Uzbek according to the 1989 census, almost the entire Uzbek population was concentrated in Osh Province. Tensions very likely had existed between the Kyrgyz and the Uzbeks throughout the Soviet period, but Moscow was able to preserve the image of Soviet ethnic harmony until the reforms of Gorbachev in the mid-1980s. In the general atmosphere of glasnost (see Glossary), an Uzbek-rights group called Adalat began airing old grievances in 1989, demanding that Moscow grant local Uzbek autonomy in Osh and consider its annexation by nearby Uzbekistan.

The real issue behind Adalat's demand was land, which is in extremely short supply in the southernmost province of Osh. To protect their claims, some Osh Kyrgyz also had formed an opposing ethnic association, called Osh-aimagy (Osh-land). In early June 1990, the Kyrgyz-dominated Osh City Council announced plans to build a cotton processing plant on a parcel of land under the control of an Uzbek-dominated collective farm in Osh Province.

The confrontation that erupted over control of that land brought several days of bloody riots between crowds led by the respective associations, killing at least 320 Kyrgyz and Uzbeks in Osh. The precise cause and sequence of events in early June 1990 is disputed between Uzbek and Kyrgyz accounts. Scores of families were left homeless when their houses were burned out. The government finally stopped the rioting by imposing a military curfew.

In addition Uzbeks once ruled the long ago, and there have been ongoing border disputes between the two for years and years and years.

To put it short, the stable government kept the bad feelings down. Now that a new (and unstable) government is in place the old angers renew and turn violent.

The MSM reports said that the violence initially started in the form of street clashes between Kyrgyzs and Uzbeks in a southern city of Kyrgyzstan. Later the violence spiraled out of control and now there are clashes being reported in many cities in the southern region.

The new Kyrgyz government has reportedly requested Russia to send its troops to the southern region of Kyrgyzstan to bring back stability and control.

Just found this interview with Alexey Maleshenko who gives an insight into the violence.Or the transcript if you prefer to read
www.abc.net.au...
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I think the Russians are protecting their assets ,they sent paratroopers to their base .It seems this may run deeper than ethnic violence .The Russians have a vested interest in that area according to this report from a few years ago, in which the Russians and Uzbeks want to slowly remove coalition forces from the area.Could be a ploy to expand Russias interest in the area and maybe reclaim former Soviet land .
www.rferl.org...

[edit on 13-6-2010 by 12voltz]

So, like I said earlier, this looks like its more about Russia and the US than it is about Kyrgyz and Uzbeks.

As it always is ...

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Here's some more al-Jazeera video on the subject...

This may well turn into another scenario like Bosnia /Serbian conflict in the late 90's but will probably be swept under the carpet of MSM.Just another forgotten conflict involving people who no one is interested in .Maybe if there wasn't so much other crap going on in the world people might take notice.
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Originally posted by 12voltz


What the hell is going on? Its just one country after another falling in to anarchy and chaos.Comments like "Unrest could become much more serious and descend into a regional conflict"are commonplace now.Social order is breaking down around the globe .Is all this trouble related to financial problems or are people just angry and filled with hate for one another.

www.sbs.com.au
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ASK the politician/magicians what they want.

If the politicians wanted to cause unrest in New Zealand they could in matter of weeks, if not days.

It isn't that hard, hate exists in every society, but individuals can use hate to create chaos to serve their own agenda.

New Zealand has Maoris(aborigines), Pakiha (European), Asian(Korean, Japanese, Chinese....), Middle Eastern(Arabs, Afghans, Iranians...), Islanders(Samoans, Tongans, Fijians...), Africans(Somalian, Sudanese, South Africans...)....

It keeps going, it is a multi cultural society, but no one has any thing to gain from creating chaos in this country.

I believe it isn't that hard at all to create chaos in this country, for example the Maoris bitterly hate the Pakihas, the Pakistan hate Asians, the Asians probably hate the Islanders and Maoris, the Islanders hates the Somalians..

It depends, everyone has been abused by another group, but everyone has also been treated good by that same group they have been abused by.

But people tend to remember abuse more then good deeds.

If five Samoans smash you in the middle of the street for no reason other than being drunk, you would remember that for a long time.

Everyone has hate within them, and hate creates disorder within our own heads, that disorder creates distorted images of a group, and that distorted image will usually cause you to hate the whole group rather than few.

If I wanted to cause chaos all I have to do is setup some attacks on certain nationals then quickly blame one group and then everyone will gang up on that group.

Political stability, Kyrgistan, American VS Russia.

They never stop, the two greedy permanent security council members, and for some reason hold VETO powers.