Israel would SINK Turkish PM's ship..

reply to post by Rocker-Mtl

So Who is calling the shots??

Errrr,Israeli government?

And what is the Goal ?

To stay in the chair for as long as possible and to get as many influential friends as possible happy. If it happens to go together with nation interests it is pure coincidence. Politicians.

And why should an attack in International waters not be investigated by the UN ???

I do not know, but i guess that both UN being more anti-Israeli then not ,and the fact that Israeli commandos killed 9 people kind of make it hard on Israel to go with this?

And if the same incident happened to one of your ships what would happen ? Get me right here why is there a 2 standard rule for Israel ?

You mean if Israel would send humanitarian aid to Turkish Kurds while there is active fighting between Turkish army and Kurd militants? I guess that Turkey also would have stopped this ship using force if necessary. If they would be stupid enough to use commandos trained to kill to stop this vessel too, i guess it would be the same. Heavy protest in Israel and Turkey using anything it can to avoid UN investigation.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


I do not know, but i guess that both UN being more anti-Israeli then not ,and the fact that Israeli commandos killed 9 people kind of make it hard on Israel to go with this?

And there it is..The first post with anti-Isreal in it...

Tell me, even if 99% of the worlds population dissagreed with what Israel do, would that be anti-Israel??

If the majority of the UN members dissagree with Israel I'd say maybe Israel is doing something wrong..

Dont scream anti !!!

I'm anti-pedophiles.
I'm anti-murderers.
I'm anti-thiefs..

Am I wrong or just stating facts??

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by Rocker-Mtl

 

So Who is calling the shots??

Errrr,Israeli government?

And what is the Goal ?

To stay in the chair for as long as possible and to get as many influential friends as possible happy. If it happens to go together with nation interests it is pure coincidence. Politicians.

And why should an attack in International waters not be investigated by the UN ???

I do not know, but i guess that both UN being more anti-Israeli then not ,and the fact that Israeli commandos killed 9 people kind of make it hard on Israel to go with this?

And if the same incident happened to one of your ships what would happen ? Get me right here why is there a 2 standard rule for Israel ?

You mean if Israel would send humanitarian aid to Turkish Kurds while there is active fighting between Turkish army and Kurd militants? I guess that Turkey also would have stopped this ship using force if necessary. If they would be stupid enough to use commandos trained to kill to stop this vessel too, i guess it would be the same. Heavy protest in Israel and Turkey using anything it can to avoid UN investigation.

Well Thank You for an answer ! You seem to be honest in your response , which is appreciated although the UN usually favors Israel , check it out , and is it not time that an end to this type of situation stops? The comments that your ambassador stationed in the USA clearly depicted a different story then your opinion .. which leads the rest of us to wonder what is The Agenda !

Damn forgot that Anti

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reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


You know, the question is..Why is Israel a member of the UN?

I'm guessing its just to add some credibility to its polotics..

But the fact is, most people now know that Israel has ignored the last 62 UN ressolutions given to them....

So why do you think they are still there???

BTW, I think the UN is a bunch of crap..It can't function as a "United Nations" implies when they have 5 countries with veto power....
Its just not democratic..Lucky for Israel though as the US has vetoed many ressolutions aimed at Israel.

Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

 

You know, the question is..Why is Israel a member of the UN?

I'm guessing its just to add some credibility to its polotics..

But the fact is, most people now know that Israel has ignored the last 62 UN ressolutions given to them....

So why do you think they are still there???

BTW, I think the UN is a bunch of crap..It can't function as a "United Nations" implies when they have 5 countries with veto power....
Its just not democratic..Lucky for Israel though as the US has vetoed many ressolutions aimed at Israel.

Now That my Friend is very well Put !!! Don't forget Canada does what its told to do ! Im sure you understand what that meant

reply to post by virgom129

If the majority of the UN members dissagree with Israel I'd say maybe Israel is doing something wrong..

BTW, I think the UN is a bunch of crap..It can't function as a "United Nations" implies when they have 5 countries with veto power....

Well if bunch of crap disagrees with Israel, there is no problem then.
No , i understand what you mean. However UN does not pass resolutions and does stuff because it is some kind of superman to the rescue and always in matters of right and wrong. UN is a political organization and ONLY political,not moral, motives are what keep it going.
So a little lecture about obvious facts:
Arab/Muslim countries were against Israel form the start. There are considerable number of Arab/Muslim countries in UN, each one with right to vote. There is one Israel. With one vote. So there it is already biased against Israel. Or anti-Israeli. US is using right of veto, but UN keep on focusing on Israel due to shear number of countries who are against Israel no matter what, as i explained. So yes, UN is more anti-Israeli then not. Again - for political,not moral reasons, however.
Few simple questions - how many civilians were killed world wide after 1948?
How many people were banished from their home after 1948?
In first case the grim answer is - millions, and even tens of millions for second answer.
How many Palestinian civilians were killed after 1948 by Israel - tens of thousands. How many Palestinians lost their home? Hundreds of thousands.
Now of course no peaceful civilian should have paid for Israel's existence with his property or even his life. Ideally. So Israel surely did nasty things and it could have been done differently even taking MUTUAL conflict and crimes into consideration.
However Israel did much much much less harm then rest of the world (millions killed, tens of millions loosing their home worldwide). And yet Israel has more UN resolutions against it then any other country. So i have all the confidence to say that yes, UN is anti-Israeli for decades.
And UN is not moral judge.

If Israel attempts to board or even fire at a turkish military vessel then Israel is attacking Nato. Nato cannot back down if Turkey calls on the treaty for backup. Simple reason is this Turkey lies at a stategic position in the middle east, for nato to lose Turkey from the alliance will cost Nato dearly. So if israel wants the full force of Europes armies in their terrority then let them because I believe if we sort Israel out then they might be some political peace in the middle east.

Turkey does not have the JSF, only America has prototypes.

Originally posted by At0mZer0
Wow.

Just...

Wow.

If the US won't step on israel's toes, Russia and China need to.

Let's see israel try to bully a real army!

Hello,

The saddest thing about this is that the US is in Israels purse. The US is Israels guard dog...Sic 'em boy. I want to learn WHY that is, and the US has no spine when dealing with the Zionists, but lick the blood off their hands?

'Ol Yeller comes to mind. In a backwards sense.

There will not be war. Read This!
Upgrading Turkish Military

Originally posted by enteri
Look at what you guys are saying, seriously. Just because you are bored or fed up with the rhetorics you'd rather have war for your own amusement?

That's just a horrible thing to say! In a war the people that are responsible for it aren't hurt. Everyone else is.

I have to agree with this guy, i cant believe people are asking for death and destrustion just for something to talk about.

Originally posted by enteri
Look at what you guys are saying, seriously. Just because you are bored or fed up with the rhetorics you'd rather have war for your own amusement?

That's just a horrible thing to say! In a war the people that are responsible for it aren't hurt. Everyone else is.

I have to agree with this guy, i cant believe people are asking for death and destruction just for something to talk about.

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Farewell Israel been nice knowing you.

www.globalfirepower.com...

Check the list..most of them are in NATO in which Turkey is a part of..an attack on one is an attack on all.

Israel don't have the balls or the lack of brains. They won't do it

I've been to Israel there are genuinely nice people there that want the violence to stop, i met IDF soldiers who actually wish they left Israel before military service.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Yeah it always helps to actually read the source article!

From the Jerusalem Post:

Israel must send Turkey a clear message that if Turkish warships are sent to accompany the next flotilla trying to break the embargo on Gaza, these will be considered acts of war by Israel , Uzi Dayan, former deputy Chief of General Staff, told Army Radio Monday morning.

I am always disappointed by the number of ATS members that get stiffies at the mere thought of war porn.

To comment on war?
I refuse!
Yet, oh the deplorable state of the human psyche and ego.
Oh what utter sadness, what decay and ultimate loss of purity is entwined in these proceedings. For to reach therein is to corrupt the soul.
What an inexplicable departure from that which I hold dear.

I turn my face in agony.

Yet shall we venture forth into the abysmal darkness that this thing breeds?
You may, for it may truly be the path through which you also, my friend, are refined and born anew.
While I,
Even I shall remain for yet a short season, perched upon the hilltop, yea, with the setting sun, while those in the valley settle in darkness.

And when the day has come anew, I shall comb the wood and the field, until the whole face thereof is refreshed.
And I shall light your funeral pyres, and lament your passing, so stiffened in spirit, so young in your passing.
None shall remain for your posterity.

Originally posted by The Theorist
JSF = NATO designed 'Joint Strike Fighter'; Israel does not have it. They rely on slightly older technology for their air-force. Turkey owns roughly 120 JSF's with possible stealth technology, not to mention various other fighter planes that have, until just recently, been the pinnacle of aviation envy.

JSF was designed by Lockheed Martin, a US company. Rest assured every tactical advantage will be freely given to Israel during a war. They will be told its weaknesses and counters. Turkey would of been better off buying Russian.

Also. It is Britain, not Brittan.

Originally posted by cushycrux
Turkish Aircraft Carrier:

A Turkish Aircraft Carrier with RAF Harrier Jumpjets on bard?

Don't think so pal...!

Still people going on about the U.S's Air F....I mean the Israeli Air Force being all that....

The Turkish Army can and will do enough to thwart the Israeli's should it come to all out war. I'm not picking sides but it's been proven in many threads the Turkish military has manpower imbalance over the Israeli can hurdle the small technological difference.

I'm pretty convinced if TSHTF between these two countries then Israel will definitely get help from the U.S in some way, and if the dog barks alone, it's that big red button in the basement for sure.

Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by enteri

 

Yes, I agree totally.

But I think a lot of people like war - to win, to occupy their bored minds, to enlist for something to do etc. Not to mention the fat cats who make a lot of money from war.

None of these people give a thought to suffering people. It makes me sick.

Let's face it, humans are into war and always have been.

I have to agree, we can blame war on rogue states, evil dictators and the TPTB. The real fact of the matter is that we as humans are the problem.

We are a warring species; we all strive to be different, we are all naturally competative, we view ourselves as better or worse than the next man/woman and we are violent when threatened.

All these facts go against the hippy utopia of world peace.

The best we can hope for is a one world government. (I'm serious)

This would give us an enforced equality of a kind, but with it would come less freedom overall.

WW3 is inevitable as I see it.

Sorry for drifting off-topic.

Originally posted by tracer7
I don't want to sound like a war hound but, please lets get the show started. enough talk from all sides. like a bunch of kids poking at each other on the playground, all of them afraid to throw the first punch. when the dust finally settles then maybe we can get some peace.

Yeah, let us get this party started, I'm so tired of all the talk. Let's meet at the center of the world and duke it out. Only then will we have peace, when all the #heads are gone.