King Tut's DNA is Western European

I note with some amusement that the Tarim mummies are apparently Caucasian also, and that the Han Chinese are rather embarrassed, but have not locked the facts down.

For those of you who have read David Rohl's books, you know that the early Egyptian upper crust came from Mesopotamia by boat, invaded upper Egypt and then lower Egypt. Abraham came from the same area, and when his great-grandson Joseph came before Pharaoh, he was treated like kin. Now you know why. They were both Caucasian types, but that was a long time before Tut. Ancient Egypt had a base population of Hamites with an overlay of Shemite aristocrats, the Shemsu-Hor.

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Originally posted by coredrill

In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe, parts of central Eurasia (for example Bashkortostan[3]), and in parts of sub-Saharan Central Africa (for example around Chad and Cameroon). R1b is also present at lower frequencies throughout Eastern Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, and parts of North Africa. Due to European emigration it also reaches high frequencies in the Americas and Australia. While Western Europe is dominated by the R1b1b2 (R-M269) branch of R1b, the Chadic-speaking area in Africa is dominated by the branch known as R1b1a (R-V88). These represent two very successful "twigs" on a much bigger "family tree".

Wiki Source

Note the words - Sub-saharan Africa, parts of North Afrca????

Agreed, but don't you think that the same kind of DNA would produce the same results?

Originally posted by RuneSpider

Question, each of the links I've pulled up on this is related to a white power sites, or from discussion blogs or forums.

Any one this from an actual journal?

I didn't find anything on EU Times that refers to itself as a white power site.

I only referred the article I found - I do not know of a scientific journal with this information yet.

I also don't think that wikipedia refers to itself as a white power site, although it is wikipedia, it seems to back up a lot of the research - that Tut has 99.6% like DNA with people of western european descent - as well, as another poster has pointed out, with people of sub-saharan descent.

Although, as the sites have mentioned, people in western-europe, especially Ireland, seem to have a very high percentage of this R1b DNA...

of which Tut has 99.6% - supposedly.

Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by LucidDreamer85

 

Or maybe it's a racist news source that's pushing it's own agenda?

Before referring to someone or something as racist, it is best to back up your accusation lest you sound like you yourself have a particular agenda.

I understand that the article did omit the part about Rb1 DNA also being found in sub-Saharan peoples - but it is also pointed out that Western Europeans carry a high percentage of this particular DNA... Again, of which King Tut apparently has 99.6%.

I will search more thoroughly however for source which y'all might find more credible.

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
I note with some amusement that the Tarim mummies are apparently Caucasian also, and that the Han Chinese are rather embarrassed, but have not locked the facts down.

For those of you who have read David Rohl's books, you know that the early Egyptian upper crust came from Mesopotamia by boat, invaded upper Egypt and then lower Egypt. Abraham came from the same area, and when his great-grandson Joseph came before Pharaoh, he was treated like kin. Now you know why. They were both Caucasian types, but that was a long time before Tut. Ancient Egypt had a base population of Hamites with an overlay of Shemite aristocrats, the Shemsu-Hor.

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Indeed Lazarus.

But I was unaware that David Rohl was a better source than the Bible for that particular story.

I remembered as I was attempting to log-on and get back to this thread, just WHY I stopped visiting ATS ---- so SLOW it's like wading through glue


Anyway, just dropped by to say that years ago, I read that the ancient Egyptians spoke a version of Welsh --- but the Welsh had already been speaking it for a loooong time by then

As to Hawass --- what a joke that guy is. The moment his face appears on the screen, I switch off. For me, he's the frontsman for Everything False in Egyptian history

And now I'm getting out of ATS, because this has become a very dodgy site, imo, and I don't like what it tries to do to my computer

[edit on 8-6-2010 by Dock9]

Originally posted by TarzanBeta

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
I note with some amusement that the Tarim mummies are apparently Caucasian also, and that the Han Chinese are rather embarrassed, but have not locked the facts down.

For those of you who have read David Rohl's books, you know that the early Egyptian upper crust came from Mesopotamia by boat, invaded upper Egypt and then lower Egypt. Abraham came from the same area, and when his great-grandson Joseph came before Pharaoh, he was treated like kin. Now you know why. They were both Caucasian types, but that was a long time before Tut. Ancient Egypt had a base population of Hamites with an overlay of Shemite aristocrats, the Shemsu-Hor.

[edit on 8-6-2010 by Lazarus Short]

Indeed Lazarus.

But I was unaware that David Rohl was a better source than the Bible for that particular story.

David Rohls' books, like the Book of Jasher, fill out the corners of the stories.

Laz

Egypt has got to hiding something otherwise they would put the controversy to rest (and advance archaeology) by conducting proper DNA tests on this king (and others). After all its not these people were Muslims, whose bodies get the respect Muslims (normally) award to other Muslims.

Remember...
Egypt is a country run by "Muslims" who have completed Israel's blockade of Gaza. They suppress democracy by banning The Muslim Brotherhood and are complicate in both torture, and selling their country to corrupt interests (usually foreign businesses or foreign governments, Israel is only the most clear example).
Therefore I'd hardly look to these Egyptian government to advocates of truth. Especially if embarrasses their people national pride (national pride is always the first symptom of a population susceptible to brainwashing.
Neither would the Egyptians want to upset the Western-Jewish media master by allowing Caucasians peoples new reasons for pride in their ancestors. I'd be Extremely surprised if ancient Egyptians were actually white, but mixed race wouldn't surprise me. The effects of the sun (and ancient propaganda) would surely explain why they're leaders went down, in artwork, with the same dark skins of all other Egyptians?

Originally posted by Dock9
I remembered as I was attempting to log-on and get back to this thread, just WHY I stopped visiting ATS ---- so SLOW it's like wading through glue

Anyway, just dropped by to say that years ago, I read that the ancient Egyptians spoke a version of Welsh --- but the Welsh had already been speaking it for a loooong time by then

As to Hawass --- what a joke that guy is. The moment his face appears on the screen, I switch off. For me, he's the frontsman for Everything False in Egyptian history

And now I'm getting out of ATS, because this has become a very dodgy site, imo, and I don't like what it tries to do to my computer

I guess that goes back to my previous theory about Pharaoh William.

Pyramids? All-seeing eyes? New World Order?

Hmm.

reply to post by Liberal1984


I would be surprised if the Egyptians were all any particular color of today's world! Imagine.. 6,000 years ago, the apparent divide in races today would be different. I imagine that the many physical attributes of humans which distinguish each color and race must have been fewer at the time.

I have no idea of the truth of it all but Tuts father looks European enough.
It is sad people would hide the truth about history for personal reasons.
It makes you into a hypocrite.

reply to post by Xeven


Those photos are a surprisingly good match.

I have to agree. The apparent facts about Egypt's history are still a mystery.

reply to post by Xeven


The mummy reminded me of Ed Leedskalnin - the person who built coral castle. (This is the castle in Florida built out of huge blocks - Ed claimed to have figured out the secrets of the pyramids).

Here's a link to his picture - you have to scroll down the page to see it:

www.coralcastleexplained.com...

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cool, im going to start saying to people that im a descendant of tutankamon aye me and old tut go way back.

Seriously though, sites in Ireland such a Loughcrew, The Hill of Tara and Newgrange etc predate the pyramids and Stone Henge, loughcrew being 4000BC and Newgrange being 3200BC where as the earliest known Eygptian pyramid dates back to 2110BC, so do the math.

Loughcrew and Newgrange are both astronomically aligned with Newgrange being aligned with the winter solstice sunrise and Loughcrew with the Equinox sunrise. There is something like a 50 year waiting list to be in Newgrange chamber when it becomes illuminated by the winter solstice sunrise once a year altho its much easier to gain access to loughcrew at the Equinox as it is less known by tourists etc. It is also claimed that it would have taken a workforce of 300 people at least 20 years to build Newgrange.

So when I think about Tutankamon having Western European DNA then i dont find it that odd, some people from Ireland could have easliy went on to Eygpt.

Hi y'all. What I conclude from the various references is that Western Europeans must be descended from West Africans! After all we all know that mankind came out of Africa! And aren't there local folklore in Ireland and Scotland about mysterious blacks in the distant past? Can't put my finger on the reference right now, but it did say that some of the words that signifies "black" came from that period.

Originally posted by grantbeed
I knew it, an Irishman!

Imagine the fun the Guiness advertising could have with this one!!!

On an evening when my Celtics went down in flames, this brought one massive smile to my face...thanks, grantbreed! So to you I say...

An English Man, An Irish man And a Scotts man went to egypt,
upon ariving the local people worship them as gods offering them each what ever they want

The English man asks for a 1000 women, there you go say the locals and he leaves with his 1000 women

The Scotts man asks For 1000 bottles of fine egyptian whiskey, there you go say the locals and he leaves with his whiskey

Now then irishman what would you like, said the locals, "Tut! C'om" said the irish man, i want one them gold beds in the shape of me body, a king size one at that, an while ur at it get me some of those bandages to keep me warm

seriously though, verry interesting

with every haplogroup like r1b you get 2 maps.

one map will show the frequency and the other will show the accumulated str variance.

accumulated str variance is the apparent relative age so while map one may show something to be western european the accumulated str variance may indicate something quite different


from oxford journals

well Spain and Portugal are in western europe and many of those people look middle eastern.

maybe thats why they killed him though?

personally i dont even believe the source though so whatever