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King Tut's DNA is Western European

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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by TarzanBeta


Despite the refusal of the Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match with Western European Y chromosomes.


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Of course, Zahi Hawass wouldn't want anyone knowing this. Do you even think it's true?



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If Hawass does not want it to be released then it is 100% true.

Whatever Hawas says, just believe the opposite and you will find the truth...

He is that egotistical and so into "keeping egypt, egypt " or that he will lie about EVERYTHING !!!!!!

Most likely all the rulers are of similar bloodlines....

I mean in the middle ages, Europe was run by a couples families..

The french would have a spanish ruler, the engligh would have a german ruler, the germans would have a french ruler.....

I mean it was pretty F'ed up......because they wanted control.....

Too bad they didn't realize that interbreeding makes your family tree pretty ugly...




posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
That would support their own accounts that they came from "the ocean in the West".

Too bad "science" doesnt "allow" for that to be true.


Well how could it be true...Scientists already think they know everything..

Same with economists.....and Governments...



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Too bad they didn't realize that interbreeding makes your family tree pretty ugly...


God's little joke on the greedy people who run the world I'm assuming.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Tutankhamun (alternately spelled with Tutenkh-, -amen, -amon), Egyptian twt-ˁnḫ-ı͗mn, approx. [təwaːt ʕaːnəx ʔaˈmaːn]; 1341 BC – 1323 BC) was an Egyptian pharaoh of the 18th dynasty (ruled c.1333 BC – 1323 BC in the conventional chronology), during the period of Egyptian history known as the New Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org...


EUROPE 5000bc to 3000bc
It was warmer in Europe after about 5,000 B.C. than at any time before or since.

(Ref. 91) The origin of the original Indo-European language speakers remains an unsolved mystery, with some claiming these people started on the Baltic shores, others in the Balkan portion of the Danube and still others in the steppes of southern Russia and on north of the Caspian Sea. The date of origin also remains undecided with some believing it dates back to between 6,000 and 5,000 B.C. and others, particularly some linguists, to a much later date. We shall begin our discussion of these ideas in the next chapter.
cnx.org...

hope this helps
kind screws up global warming too...

Thera blew up just before tut leveling the area so I would guess he was part of the crew which started the next dynasty

" Thera or Sartorini. This is the remnant of a great volcano which had its first traceable eruption about 1,500 B.C. "




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[edit on 8-6-2010 by Danbones]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by TarzanBeta
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I'm positive that there are people in the world who do understand better the world's history.

My concern is why this needs to be hidden? What is the bigger secret?



SECRETS u mean.....

If any 1 of the worlds big secrets gets out, it then exposes like 10 others....which then expose another 10 secrets of their own until after about 2-3 years we realize we have been lied to about nearly everything in our past.......

That is why TPTB LIE and they LIE BIG......Big lies are easier for people to believe because " there is no way he would lie about this" always comes to mind when people think about things....

That is their power....or one of...it's not mystical....they just use us against ourselves ...

That is why anybody "connected" is going to lie and lie huge in the upcomin months.


OUr advantage:

There can only be so many people " in the know" and once we start finding things out, those at the top of power will start killing off thier own kind ( the lower ones ) to keep the secrets from getting out....

So all those " in the know" who think they are safe.........think again....you are being used, just like you use us..........wait until the people they answer to get panicky and start doing irrational things, just to save themselves...

That is our advantage.....they are all about themselves.......so if we get them fighting amongst themselves, then they will just take each other out until there maybe are only a couple families in control of everything and by then it will be too hard for those few families to control everything.....


Just a theory, but it makes much more sense than anything we are being told.

And explains why TPTB do the things they do.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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What secrets?

What secrets are there that are so powerful as to have people fight back against their leaders? IF slavery, poverty, and hunger aren't enough, then what is?



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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Now they know we know...





posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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reply to post by TarzanBeta
 

Secrets?

there are a bunch of people who claim their version of history
gives them rights to things they want.
if the provable thruth were to counter that
well
SHTF



[edit on 8-6-2010 by Danbones]

[edit on 8-6-2010 by Danbones]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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Tut's genetic heritage appears to Western European through the father's line (Akhenaten). It doesn't mean that he was W European or that his father was either.

The results don't add anything more than speculation about the origins of the Pharaohnic Dynasties. I know a lot of people are attracted to the idea of attributing Egypt's achievements to a variety of sources ranging from a lost white race, a lost advanced race or aliens. Some people would rather give the credit to anyone but North African native Egyptians.

Gene pools aren't static. Human populations aren't static and never have been. There's been a kind of tidal flow of migrations going back for thousands of years. The 'out of Africa' model of human migration accepts there was also 'in to Africa' migrations too.

I was reading an article recently that showed a very small white, Northern English (Yorkshire for the UK members) male sample with a North African haplogroup. The study followed their family trees and discovered relatives (white guys) in the USA too. I'm using this as an example of the reverse possibility of distinct haplogroups being hundreds of miles from their typical pools.

Tut was knocking about around ~1350BC. In the previous centuries, trade routes had spanned North Africa, the Mediterranean and Northern Europe. They still do.

In this light, he and his direct paternal ancestors could still be Egyptian. His more distant ancestors could have originated from further West in Europe. The R1B haplogroup isn't unknown in Egypt to this day, although it's quite rare.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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There is a LOT on Tut on that wikipedia link you provided.

But here is something interesting...



In February 2010, the results of DNA tests confirmed that Tutankhamun was the son of Akhenaten (mummy KV55) and his sister/wife (mummy KV35YL), whose name is unknown but whose remains are positively identified as "The Younger Lady" mummy found in KV35.[5]


IF Tut was the chosen leader of the new crew, why is it that they are so sure that Tut is from quite a lengthy egyptian lineage? Read up on that same wikipedia link.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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I went to the link in your source , OP. After being about one quarter into the article the page jumped. The browser bar at the top said "redirect" and then the page turned into a 404 error information page. I'm not tecch savvy , but I know I didn't touch my keyboard. Is that a virus
? Or is that page coming down and/or under attack?

Very interesting find. I'm amazed at the way this came about. SnF



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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While that may be true, they are claiming that he is 99.6% R1b.

99.6%.

Unless 99.6% in DNA statistics designates a rarity... I am confused.

It is as if they are saying that Western Europeans in general are DIRECT descendants of Tut.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by dragonsmusic
I went to the link in your source , OP. After being about one quarter into the article the page jumped. The browser bar at the top said "redirect" and then the page turned into a 404 error information page. I'm not tecch savvy , but I know I didn't touch my keyboard. Is that a virus
? Or is that page coming down and/or under attack?

Very interesting find. I'm amazed at the way this came about. SnF


My browser is still on the page. I have had no problems at all.. not even ad problems.

Maybe an ad didn't register properly in your browser and it caused the page to default.

Yeah, I'm pretty amazed at how this seems to be unfolding.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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Tut's face according to the French in 2005



This cover of the June 2005 National Geographic magazine features the French rendering of Tutankhamun, the only one of three executed in 2005 that was given a skin color. The bust features what its creators considered a "mid-range" skin tone for modern-day Egyptians


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Gotta admit... that looks like a european nose.

But then again, this rendition was created by the french.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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Yes that would make sense. Thanks. Once again, fascinating stuff




posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe, parts of central Eurasia (for example Bashkortostan[3]), and in parts of sub-Saharan Central Africa (for example around Chad and Cameroon). R1b is also present at lower frequencies throughout Eastern Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, and parts of North Africa. Due to European emigration it also reaches high frequencies in the Americas and Australia. While Western Europe is dominated by the R1b1b2 (R-M269) branch of R1b, the Chadic-speaking area in Africa is dominated by the branch known as R1b1a (R-V88). These represent two very successful "twigs" on a much bigger "family tree".
Wiki Source

Note the words - Sub-saharan Africa, parts of North Afrca????



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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Question, each of the links I've pulled up on this is related to a white power sites, or from discussion blogs or forums.

Any one this from an actual journal?



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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and folks..the European Union Times is not the "crfedible Source" for quoting.




The online news site European Union Times (EUT) — which recently “broke” a story about President Obama preparing for an imminent civil war — is being cited as a credible source by several libertarian bloggers who are hyping the story.





The European Union Times isn’t exactly a venerable news source akin to, say, The Associated Press. It is registered to Jessica Nachtman, wife of Christopher Nachtman. [Editor's note: After the initial posting of this blog item, Jessica Nachtman wrote Hatewatch to say that she merely provides Web hosting for "a European who lives abroad," who she declined to identify further. She said she does not publish or modify any of the site's content.] Christopher Nachtman is a former member of the neo-Nazi group National Alliance who more recently has been active in Volksfront, a racist skinhead group.


Source - EU Times???

The author of the article has conveniently omitted that the haplogroup R1b is found in sub Saharan areas and in northern Africa too.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by TarzanBeta
I was just thinking that just because King Tut's DNA most closely matches the people who live in western europe now... it does not follow that he CAME from western europe. It coule be that the people who are in western europe now had traveled from the east, the far east, the far north,... of course, we think we know that all human life started in africa...

So... maybe it's not unnatural for him to have this particular kind of DNA. Maybe it's interesting the OTHER way around.

Maybe the people who are in western europe are the descendants of Tut's bloodline.



What better way to screw with everybody than to pick a fake spot as where humanity began.......

What better way to throw us off course and in the complete wrong direction when trying to figure out where we came from......



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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Or maybe it's a racist news source that's pushing it's own agenda?



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