CIA personnel engaged in human experimentation

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And are you going to tell me, That the former Soviet Union did not torture in the past very recent past or still today and how about China. Or our south of the border neighbors? North Korea does not torture any one either I guess?
I know Viet Nam did or still does. I'm betting you don't believe any of those Muslim Nations would ever do a little torture, would they?

Lets quit kidding ourselves here, We torture they torture, but the big question is, how much pain do you administer, Real Pain, Screaming to die pain.
Or are we talking about, I'm going to drown, Mental Anguish.
And many other mental games that can be played on the mind and your subconscious.
I had the pain, give me Mental Anguish and Sleep Deprivation, Hell. I've been married and raised kids.

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"Sorry, their tactics are far from OK in my book. And were their tactics used on them we would hear no end of objections and accusations..." End Quote

Far, far worse tactics have been used. You don't know and you never will know.
Many of the tactics you are concerned about the CIA using against our enemies is a walk in the park to those who wish us dead.
That's all I have to say on this subject. Cruelty is wrong in anyone's eyes who loves life, but many, many people out there don't love you or your way of life. The fact that you take a breath and open your eyes in the morning offends them and they want you to feel pain and die.

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Perhaps you misunderstood me, I never said anything about them not toruring. In fact i said the things they have done makes WWII Nazi experiments looks childish. Not sure if you know what happened then, but people were skinned alive or microwaved while alive. The CIA does worse, in the countries you mentioned, via "rendition". Where prisoners are not tortured in the US that is illegal, but to take those prisoners to say secret race track for example.

I know foreign nations torture people, all nations have or still do. Doesn't make it right.

Then again maybe I am misunderstanding, or misinterpretting your tone.
Either way, that is not the topic or point. We are not going to fix or resolve any thing, by focusing on one another.

CIA allegedly has a policy that they do not influence US actions of "foreign policy". Meaning they suppossedly only gather info for the policy makers, and do not theselves influence foreign policy. Being they are not the policy makers.

Problem is, every one knows CIA is the US intelligence service, which gathers the data which in turn determines the outcome of how foreign policy may be handled. Thus the CIA is indirectly involved, as it was meant to be.

In any case.

Originally posted by guohua
The fact that you take a breath and open your eyes in the morning offends them and they want you to feel pain and die.

But who are they? Are they mislims, Iraqis, Iranians, Saudis, Canadians, British, Chinese, Vietnamese, Russians, Germans... who? Also, who is next?

Why do you think CIA performs these experiments and tortures to these evil men or "them" anyway?

This "dilemma" is about extreme punishments upon people for some higher cause. I mean how can that be a good thing, or even "save lives"?

Also, what we're talking about is beyond "extracting info". It involves scientific experiments or just simply messing with people's heads to see what happens. I have no doubt that Nazi practices v 2.0 are enforced as we speak.
It's naive to believe that these men are innocent angels full of compassion towards another human being, just wondering "why can't we all get along". No. It's far far beyond that.

Lastly, this is certainly not limited to US. I personally believe China may even be a leading expert in this department.

Originally posted by guohua

Originally posted by black cat

Originally posted by whaaa


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America has lost her way! It's not so much that we torture and experiment on people, which is despicable; but that their is such a huge segment of our population that says "so what"

God Help Us!!

I guess I am one of that population. I say if it saves lives then torture is justified.

Torture, I believe it works.
I guess that I'm right there with you black cat, do what needs to be done to save lives.
Edited to ask: Where is the Pain? No pliers, no needles, no sharp sticks, not hung from your wrist so the tips of your toes only touch, no bones broken or shoulders dislocated, no electrodes, I ask again, Where's the pain.
OK, I hear ya Screaming at me, WATER BOARDING, WOW,,,, Mental Anguish.
Sleep Deprivation, WOW,,, I'm feeling sleepy.

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Torture does not work.
not one shred of viable evidence has been shown that torture has stopped any terrorist attacks.
In fact, the reputation of torturing prisoners has led to increased hatred toward US citizens, and has caused international travel to become mo9re dangerous.. so in fact it hasnt saved any lives, but HAS put innocent civilians in harms way.

Waterbording simulates drowning or suffocation.
do you know what that is like?
mental anguish? try iliciting a primal fear, and fight/flight response.

Just ask any doctor if that equates to obtaining acurate truths or obtaining ANY response the mind might assoicate with ending the TERROR.


lack of sleep?
try it for three days.. while standing.
your body will begin shutting down, falling asleep, and eventually force you to hallucinate.
this will NOT result in reliable information from a hallucinating, fatigued prisoner.

Education is a beattiful thing.
try it out.