Two Iranian ships to sail to Gaza

Originally posted by harryhaller
Perhaps, i don't believe this bodes well.

However, one cannot deny the right they have to do this. Israel cannot just do as they please now, they will actually have to consider their actions VERY carefully. Well, i hope they will, despite the evidence.

I don't think anyone could deny the right, but obviously the fact that it will Iran sending the ships, and possibly with Iranian guard on board, will be seen as a serious provocation by the Israelis.

One has to wonder whether their consideration of the matter would be what we call serious. To us that would be deciding to let the convoy pass, that would seem that serious thought had been given. However, you also have to consider the Zionist agenda which basically is to rid themselves of the problem of Gaza, and if possible any other troublesome Arabs around the area.

We already know that they have designs on lands in the south of Turkey so it may be that the result of THEIR serious consideration is to go ahead and attempt to impound the convoy.

After all if it precipitates Armageddon, that is what both they and the Muslims ultimately want as that is supposed to bring about the coming of the Messiah/Second Prophet/Jesus - so basically all the religious nuts would be happy.

No it certainly does not bode well.

Why don't the Iranians make it to Eilat and give the stuff there to the Israeli's, prevents them from making the whole nine yards through the Suez and to Gaza.And Israeli's are also happy to screen the stuff first..
But to be honest not much good can come from this, only supports the theory that the whole raid last week was also nothing but a provocation[on part of the "aid"], just like this...buckle up people and hold on tight...

[edit on 7-6-2010 by Foppezao]

reply to post by GakunGak


I don't think they have given a definite ETA yet but...

"The aid consists of food and medical supplies, which will be transported into Gaza via the Rafah border in Egypt before the week is through," the country's Red Crescent Director Abdolraoof Adibzadeh said.

Source is the link below.

Press TV link with more info than my original link.

Apologies thoughtsfull, only just spotted you gave that link already.

[edit on 7/6/2010 by PuterMan]

Originally posted by Foppezao
Why don't the Iranians make it to Eilat and give the stuff there to the Israeli's, prevents them from making the whole nine yards through the Suez and to Gaza.And Israeli's are also happy to screen the stuff first..
But to be honest not much good can come from this, only supports the theory that the whole raid last week was also nothing but a provocation[on part of the "aid"], just like this...buckle up people and hold on tight...

[edit on 7-6-2010 by Foppezao]

It seems they are infact planning to deliver the aid via the Rafah crossing, so placing the burden on the Egyptians.. talk about akward dialema..

reply to post by thoughtsfull


So the two stories are more intertwined than I had originally thought. Thank you. I'm still wondering though, this is a different port than the previous incident with the Turkish vessels, right?

Also, if I remember correctly, Egypt is also to enforce the blockade (along with Israel), so where does Egypt come out in this situation?

reply to post by Foppezao


The problem with Israel is that they restrict so many products, among them construction materials as they fear Hamas to use it for their tunnel network. As a result, most of Gaza is still in ruins one and a half year after Gaza.

As an eight-ship `Freedom Flotilla` began to make its way from various Mediterranean ports toward Gaza Sunday morning, a UN agency said about three-quarters of the damage inflicted by Operation Cast Lead more than a year ago had not been repaired.

Israel continues to bar construction material from entering Hamas-ruled Gaza as part of an overall blockade of the territory.

The UN Development Program (UNDP) said in a report Sunday that Gazans have carried out small-scale repairs worth $173 million with recycled rubble or material smuggled through border tunnels.

The report said the international community had been largely sidelined in the reconstruction effort. The UN can do little because it refrains from buying smuggled goods.

source

Nothing justifies collective punishment and consequently, the restriction of basic necessities such as shelter.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


I guess we're sort of on the same page, huh?

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by GakunGak

 

I don't think they have given a definite ETA yet.

Press TV link with more info than my original link.

Apologies thoughtsful, only just spotted you gave that link already.

[edit on 7/6/2010 by PuterMan]

No probs... the more times it is repeated the more it comes clear the Iranians are placing the burden on the Egypians shoulders.. If the Rafah crossing is opened that eases the situation in Gaza..

IMHO there are 2 blockaides that people are trying to break, one at Rafah and one at sea.. it seems the Iranians are trying to break the Rafah one..

Originally posted by thoughtsfull

Originally posted by Foppezao
Why don't the Iranians make it to Eilat and give the stuff there to the Israeli's, prevents them from making the whole nine yards through the Suez and to Gaza.And Israeli's are also happy to screen the stuff first..
But to be honest not much good can come from this, only supports the theory that the whole raid last week was also nothing but a provocation[on part of the "aid"], just like this...buckle up people and hold on tight...

[edit on 7-6-2010 by Foppezao]

It seems they are infact planning to deliver the aid via the Rafah crossing, so placing the burden on the Egyptians.. talk about akward dialema..

So they'll make it only as far as Egyptian territorial waters, not Paletsinian or Israeli...maybe they'll want to make a new ally on their way...

[edit on 7-6-2010 by Foppezao]

reply to post by thoughtsfull


This will be an interesting scenario. If the ship is anchored in Egyptian waters then I cannot imagine that Israel will attack it, however, if they attempt to bring personnel through the Rafah crossing then, since this will be into Gaza and the Israelis consider Gaza to be under their control, they will definitely attempt to stop the people. Not least because they will be considered as terrorists infiltrating, rightly or wrongly.

Originally posted by Atomic Honey
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

I guess we're sort of on the same page, huh?

Yer we are... with the focus on breaking the bloackaid of the port of Gaza, the Egyptians have opened up the Rafah crossing a little more... so the focus seems to be shifting to break that blockaid..

It will be interesting to see how close the Egyptians allow an Iranian naval Hosptial ship, and what will happen to the IRCC if they do provide escort for this convoy.

I suspect they'll drop anchor in international waters off the coast...

I guess providing the same antagonistic sight as knowing Israeli subs are off the Iranian coast..

This just hit me--this is essentially a blockade to block aid; so I think for the first time in my life I can use the term a "block-aid blockade."

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

This will be an interesting scenario. If the ship is anchored in Egyptian waters then I cannot imagine that Israel will attack it, however, if they attempt to bring personnel through the Rafah crossing then, since this will be into Gaza and the Israelis consider Gaza to be under their control, they will definitely attempt to stop the people. Not least because they will be considered as terrorists infiltrating, rightly or wrongly.

It certainly more strategic than attempting to break a naval blockaid.. in the process almost thumbing their noses at Turkey..

While even if the IRGC do not offer support an Iranian Naval presence will be there in the form of the Hospital ship and it's naval crew..

(obviously a Naval ship can hide all manner of sins, which I am sure is how it will be preceived)

The critical point will be as you say the crossing and the position it puts Egypt in, and Israels reaction to this situation.

Originally posted by Foppezao
Why don't the Iranians make it to Eilat and give the stuff there to the Israeli's, prevents them from making the whole nine yards through the Suez and to Gaza.And Israeli's are also happy to screen the stuff first..

:shk: The whole point of the blockade busting is because the list of materials that Israel prohibits is extensive. Taking aid to Eilat and handing it over to the Israelis certainly means that anything on the list will not get through.

Take for example the MV Rachel Corrie. She was carrying 550 tons of cement - a banned material. Do you really think that this impounded cargo is going to be delivered to Gaza by the Israelis? Nope, not a cat in hell's chance!

Putting my tin foil hat on.. and allowing paranoia mode to kick in..

Say the ships get to Egypt and Egypt refuses to unload the aid (planned all along). the Iranians then decide to take this aid to a friendly port in the area.. Lebanon or Syria.. aid turns out to be missiles/military tech.

Or, the IRGC does escort the convoy, the aid is unloaded and taken to Gaza, while the IRGC forces go to a friendly port.. Lebanon/Syria, where the ships are then handed over to the Lebanese/Syrians as gifts..

The scope of potential scenarios that run off either the contents of the aid vessels and/or the support of the IRGC is going to create some interesting threads on ATS in the next few days full of paranoia and tin foil hat moments.

Edit to add: My personal point of view/wish is to see the Palestinians represented at the Commomwealth games.. I would like to see them competing on the sports field and not the battleground..

[edit on 7/6/10 by thoughtsfull]

Info from another thread..

Linky

Israel must send Turkey a clear message that if Turkish warships are sent to accompany the next flotilla trying to break the embargo on Gaza, these will be considered acts of war by Israel , Uzi Dayan, former deputy Chief of General Staff, told Army Radio Monday morning.

On this thread

I am sure these comment directed at Turkey are in fact being aimed at the Iranians and this convoy, which already includes 1 Naval vessel/crew in guise of the Naval Hospital ship..

I wonder where Israel will stand with the Iranian's attempting to break the blockaid at Rafah.. will it also be deemed an act of war?

Originally posted by harryhaller
Perhaps, i don't believe this bodes well.

However, one cannot deny the right they have to do this. Isreal cannot just do as they please now, they will actually have to consider their actions VERY carefully. Well, i hope they will, despite the evidence.

I agree it does not bode well for Jews. Their rabid dog leaders seem hell bent on dragging the region into a conflict. A conflict imo the Jews cannot win, which puts them on a suicide mission.

Originally posted by PuterMan

Originally posted by Foppezao
Why don't the Iranians make it to Eilat and give the stuff there to the Israeli's, prevents them from making the whole nine yards through the Suez and to Gaza.And Israeli's are also happy to screen the stuff first..

:shk: The whole point of the blockade busting is because the list of materials that Israel prohibits is extensive. Taking aid to Eilat and handing it over to the Israelis certainly means that anything on the list will not get through.

Take for example the MV Rachel Corrie. She was carrying 550 tons of cement - a banned material. Do you really think that this impounded cargo is going to be delivered to Gaza by the Israelis? Nope, not a cat in hell's chance!

Well maybe the Hamas shouldn't bulldoze their "own" homes and build tunnels all the time..

arabnews.com...

Its the whole point of Hamas they dont give any good signals and do anything good for their own people, or the peace process

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[edit on 7/6/10 by thoughtsfull]

Originally posted by LieBuster
America it's time you removed them nukes you gave iserail

Research what you say before you say it so you don't lose credibilty.

France gave them the nukes.

Israel began actively investigating the nuclear option from its earliest days. .

For reactor design and construction, Israel sought the assistance of France. .

French premier Guy Mollet is even quoted as saying privately that France "owed" the bomb to Israel.

Although the United States government did not encourage or approve of the Israeli nuclear program, it also did nothing to stop it.

[edit on 7-6-2010 by crisko]