Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

reply to post by AllIsOne


Good call. I don't think any of us can back that up with sources, to either claim its validity or to prove it false. It does look like propaganda but, we'll see, right? Either way, if Turkey is putting out propaganda like this... it's looking shaky.

BBC Source on FULL UN Security Council Statement:

BBC News

The Security Council stresses that the situation in Gaza is not sustainable. The Council re-emphasizes the importance of the full implementation of Resolutions 1850 and 1860. In that context, it reiterates its grave concern at the humanitarian situation in Gaza and stresses the need for sustained and regular flow of goods and people to Gaza as well as unimpeded provision and distribution of humanitarian assistance throughout Gaza. The Security Council underscores that the only viable solution to Israeli-Palestinian conflict is an agreement negotiated between the parties and re-emphasises that only a two-State solution, with an independent and viable Palestinian State living side by side in peace and security with Israel and its other neighbours, could bring peace to the region. The Security Council expresses support for the proximity talks and voices concern that this incident took place while the proximity talks are underway and urges the parties to act with restraint, avoiding any unilateral and provocative actions, and all international partners to promote an atmosphere of cooperation between the parties and throughout the region.

reply to post by jackflap


Re: your post about enjoying the simple things in life, etc.

Those sentiments (nothing wrong with them) is why they label us 'Useless Eaters' and 'Sheep'

That's why they distract us. It's the point of movies and tv and porn and recreational drugs and alchohol and destruction of traditional values, etc.

They keep us busy working for pennies and relaxing when the day's work and struggle is done

And all the while, they're bent over their calculators, figuring how to squeeze a few percent here, a few cents there, a corrupt contract-awarding over there, selling on sub-standard goods to government departments, cutting corners on health, etc. etc.

The money game. The bottom line mentality. Most of all the worship of and lust for money and power and control

WE're simple beings, most of us. We like peace and we enjoy feeling peaceful in our own heads. Too hard. Too much going on around us. So we take the tablets, drink the potions, eat that comforting fast food, make a happy Christmas for our families by hitting the credit cards, etc.

And we're just cattle and sheep in the fields to them

Ever watched a sheep dog or two rounding up a hundred or more head of stock ? It's easy for them, isn't it ? Because all the little sheepies and poor old cows have been nipped in the ankles by those dogs ... or they've seen one of their fellow-beasts being nipped. So all the beasts of the field take the path of least resistance and obey --- anything rather than feel those teeth in their ankles

And that's us. We are the beasts, taking the paths of least resistance. Knowing all along it's not fair and that they're herding us to the slaughter house. So to stay happy on the way to our deaths, we allow ourselves to grab a few cheap and easy pleasures ... long enough to allow our kids to grow up. And we hope it will be better for them. But it's not. And they live pretty much the same as we. On and on.


All the way through, there are the Fagins and the Shylocks --- draining our will and hope, chiselling away, grabbing money, pretending to take care of us. When in truth, they despise us and care as little for our welfare as we feel for those fields of animals we pass as we drive along the road. All heading for death. All trying to feel a bit happy while we're still able to walk

Well guess who those ankle-nipping sheep-dogs are

And guess who the farmers are. The farmers who profit from we the human livestock.


So now we're half awake and we're not necessarily going to TAKE the paths of least resistance in order to enjoy playing with our children and partying

We're waking up and seeing the way it is

And it's unjust. We hate it. We're fighting it. We're discovering that fighting it isn't that bad ... isn't that painful ... isn't that scary


When we've fought it and managed to bring the scales into some sort of balance ---- THEN we'll relax a bit and play with out kids and grandkids

But for now --- we have to keep our eyes open and our fists up

reply to post by ElijahWan


I wouldn't dismiss that info out of hand, any more than I'd dismiss the Kill Lists as propaganda

Too soon. Way too soon for survivors to have put together that Kill Llist, complete with photos. They're still in shock, still trying to come to terms with the fact that people they were right next to one minute are now dead

And if the Israelis are responsible for supplying their troops with Kill List and photos, it would make sense. They'd need to be able to identify their targets by sight, rather than demand ID papers from victims at the same time those victims were being slaughtered

Remember, Israel prides itself on it's propaganda ... prides itself on being able to lie and get away with it. I have a collection of Israeli quotes somewhere. Can't be bothered finding them right now. But they've boated openly about how they lied barefaced over important issues involving the death of their enemies (who, apart from those who can pay them big bucks, isn't their enemey?)

So they're spinning in overdrive right now. And they'll be denying t heir own names if they think it can get them off the hook

I'm interesting in seeing what happens in a week or two ... when the Kill Lists have been enlarged and the victims' names published from the Kill Lists. I want to see if they match those who actuall WERE killed. There won't be too much doubt about the authrtenticity of the Kill List if there are more matches than could be attributed to chance

Wrap your brain around this one.



If solid proof is presented that the IDF boarded these ships with a pre-written kill list, this is no longer piracy or a simple matter of a complicated situation getting out of control


This is a case of calculated, pre-meditated murder. Bye bye self defense claims, hello war crime tribunal.

First Report that I've read on an American being injured aboard the flotilla.

-2nd line-

SOURCE

Brewster resident Joseph Bangert said an aide from Senator John F. Kerry’s office told him yesterday that his son, Fiachra Ó Luain, was “seriously injured’’ in the bloody confrontation between Israeli soldiers and pro-Palestinian activists aboard the ships trying to bring aid to the Gaza Strip.

But the aide did not have any further information. Bangert said that a YouTube video clip showed his son leaving the ship and that he appeared to be all right. “At least I saw him walking with all his arms and legs,’’ Bangert said.

“I’m the veteran, and today, I find my son — who never put the uniform on — is in combat,’’ he said.

How can some of my fellow Americans defend the actions of this terrorist state, when one of their fellow citizens was "Seriously injured"? I've been led to believe by my MSM that all the Muslim countries are the terrorists, yet most of what I hear is Israeli brutality.

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Kill list is as fake as the immaculate terrorist passport that survived the jet crash on 9/11. No, don't buy it for a second

reply to post by Dock9


I know what you are saying, really. What is wrong with just disregarding the sentiments that they give us? The image they provide for us in the MSM that creates a divide and conquer mentality? Why can't we just disregard it?

They define the battle lines for us and expect us to follow suit. Why can't we just say no, and embrace those who they tell us are our enemies? It's not that hard and if we all remember this we can do it.

No, I'm not just saying let's all party. I'm just saying there is a basic human desire to do good. Why not harness that and go with it? Yes, there is some who will stain that and persue their own greed but they will be weeded out by the collective.

Hasn't all this gone on all too long? Haven't we grown up enough to know that there is no chosen people and that all of our resources do not have to go to them? Haven't we grown up enough to know that self annihilation is stupidity? Someone has to have pulled their head out of their butts by now.

Originally posted by BlackOps719


This is a case of calculated, pre-meditated murder. Bye bye self defense claims, hello war crime tribunal.

Tribunal?

Hell, it looks like we might have a WAR without the lists.

(I imagine the tribunal will come after Israel has been disarmed/bombed out)

reply to post by ElijahWan


What ever, dude! Israel is not against humanity its the Muslims if Israel nuked all the Arabs and Persians and Turks the world would be a much better place. Israelis don't go around lopping peoples' heads off, nut guess what Muslims- like Khalid Sheik dirka ,dirka did that as a hobby. You can't have a humanitarian crisis if it doesn't involve humans and the Palestinians aren't.

Originally posted by irontyrant
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

What ever, dude! Israel is not against humanity its the Muslims if Israel nuked all the Arabs and Persians and Turks the world would be a much better place.

Thank you for nuking me I was bored in this planet long time ago.

Originally posted by irontyrant
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

What ever, dude! Israel is not against humanity its the Muslims if Israel nuked all the Arabs and Persians and Turks the world would be a much better place. Israelis don't go around lopping peoples' heads off, nut guess what Muslims- like Khalid Sheik dirka ,dirka did that as a hobby. You can't have a humanitarian crisis if it doesn't involve humans and the Palestinians aren't.

I'd like you to pull up yer shirt and check yer stomach. You have a belly button yes? Two eyes, a nose, a working brain? So you are human....No wait...I guess you can't qualify for one without a heart. How can you read your own words and still call yerself a human? It's people like you that deserve having IDF boots on their heads....NOT activists fighting OPPRESSION by a rogue state who has FIRST HAND experience being on the receiving end of oppression.

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reply to post by Exuberant1


Exuberant has a serious point here. If the list is real (which probably isn't), then that's only adding to the fire. What we're looking at is the potential for war, and one that could easily escalate. Dodging around in the foreign news circuits (Im USA lawl), things aren't looking so hot. This is perfect timing too, on Israel's part...

Well it's confirmed.

New boats headed to Gaza to challenge blockade

Organizers of the Gaza aid flotilla say they're sending two more ships to the area within the next few days, the Associated Press reported Tuesday.

Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement says a cargo boat is already on the way to challenge the blockade on the Gaza Strip. She says a second boat carrying about three dozen passengers is expected to join it.

Good.

reply to post by Jacobcraft


Hey Jacob,

You know how Ahmedinejad just said Israel was planning an attack on Gaza and if they did the nations in the region would respond?

Well get this - what if Israel knows it has screwed the pooch. It knows that the US has to back up it's NATO allies when they decide to retaliate.

Israel knows that the US is put into a tough spot, so what they do is attack Gaza knowing full-well that this will cause other nations in the region to attack Israel - now these are not NATO nations, so the US doesn't have to pick sides; they just back up their buddy Israel.

By getting the Arabs/Persians to attack them before Turkey does, Israel will pull the US into the war on it's side. This means when the Turkey and NATO faithful nations begin to maneuver against Israel, The US will already be their help the Israelis out.

It is convoluted, but it is one of the few ways Israel could cause the Americans to pick their side.



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Originally posted by irontyrant
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

What ever, dude! Israel is not against humanity its the Muslims if Israel nuked all the Arabs and Persians and Turks the world would be a much better place. Israelis don't go around lopping peoples' heads off, nut guess what Muslims- like Khalid Sheik dirka ,dirka did that as a hobby. You can't have a humanitarian crisis if it doesn't involve humans and the Palestinians aren't.

If I said Nuke Israel, and that the world would be better without Israel, and that Jews are not human, I would have been labelled as terrorist first, then permanently banned from ATS.

But we all know ATS has been bought. The rules only apply to one side.

Hi guys, just wanted to put this link up from news.com.au, its got some interesting video from the IDF showing them being attacked when boarding:

www.news.com.au...

reply to post by LittleSecret


Eh, when Iran SAYS they gonna push Israel into the sea, and DOESN'T DO IT, the press is all up in arms.

But when Israel ACTUALLY PUSHES Gazans INTO THE SEA, they keep quiet.

The press and most Zionists are hypocrites.

It's like saying you gonna murder someone is WORSE than actually murdering him.... SICK.

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Well it looks like the truth slipped through the cracks of the filthy propaganda machine CBC... wow was it nice to watch Mark Kelly squirm in his seat as the truth flowing from the mouth of Cynthia McKinney was melting the paint off the walls in that CBC propaganda dungeon they call a studio. Children of evil they all are, as they would sell their own children for a steady paycheck. It was a thing of beauty to see how the banker controlled Communists Broadcast Corporation and its talking heads like Kelly burn from the heat of truth like a vampire’s face sizzling to a crisp from the power of the cross. Soon, very soon all these lying murderous propagandists will be no more and the earth will breathe a sigh of relief and be restored to her natural grace.

I hope someone recorded that interview and uploads it on youtube

Originally posted by BlackOps719



Wrap your brain around this one.



If solid proof is presented that the IDF boarded these ships with a pre-written kill list, this is no longer piracy or a simple matter of a complicated situation getting out of control


This is a case of calculated, pre-meditated murder. Bye bye self defense claims, hello war crime tribunal.

Makes sense for the aid-boat survivors to get the Kill List all over the interwebs, fas as

Which is most likely the reason they did just that

And in the photos Mr. Lizard dug up (few pages back) ... set of six ... one of them looked as if the photo had been snapped while someone was flipping through the pages very fast. So they wanted to get the general thrust of that Kill List out asap. --- before israel could pull a Bourne Conspiracy scenario and steal the list from whomever had it


If the Kill List was a forgery, we'd be seeing clear, fully-detailed videos of it everywhere ... shown to us at leisure

I mean, if those within the Kill List weren't harmed --- then what point would there be in anyone creating a forgery ? It would be irrelevant. Useless as a propaganda tool against israel. Because people would see those on the list and say, ' But he/she wasn't harmed during the israeli attack'. It would make fools of those claiming to have an israeli Kill List. Because it could be shown to be wrong

Next: the aid-boat people are all over the place right now. News is still coming in. The israelis have some under lock and key, don't they ?
So they're hardly in the position to grab the IDs and passports of those who were killed and compile a forged Kill List

So let's wait a while and see what emerges. If those actually killed by the Israelis are contained within the Kill List, the Israelis have some explaining to do

In the meantime, the news about the Kill List is out there. One could assume there have been numerous videos made, which in turn have been slipped through to those who will continue making copies and passing them along, to the point it will be pointless for israel to try to recover the original or deny the Kill List's existence

The survivors did the smart thing by taking it public. If genuine, it exposes israel beyond any doubt

There's also the possibility the possessors of the Kill List could use it as leverage/bargain chip. They could agree not to publish further detail and to allow israel to deny its legitimacy -- let it blow over --- in return for israel agreeing to allow aid to get through to Gaza without any further impediment. Will make it seem as though israel has 'seen sense' and let the 'world leaders' etc. off the hook to a degree