Was Star Trek a government dis-infomation campaign?

I've read that back in WWII, the government used Hollywood to create pro-American war messages and movies. In the 1950's flying saucers were sighted by the public. Then Hollywood sci-fi began replacing space-rockets with flying saucers. Then along comes Gene Roddenbery. He creates a new sci-fi, in which he forbids the inclusion of flying saucers and robots. Guess where he got his technical advice from... NASA - a 'Department Of Defence'-controlled civilian space agency. And what has been the long-standing DOD's position on flying saucers... 'forget your lying eyes - we say they don't exist!'.

So, is it possible that the DOD passed the word (through NASA [No Advanced Ships Allowed]) to Roddenberry - 'no flyng saucers, no hyperspace, and no robot crew members!'?

I think it is. I also heard that George Lucas is a shapeshifting reptiloid/insectoid alien from the beta Zugezoid nebula that's come here to enslave us with a hidden fleet of Wookie soldiers waiting behind the dark side of the moon.

Those vicious wookies man!

If that were the case then how do you account for science fiction shows of today such as Fringe and the Stargate series?

These shows are rife with the sorts of things you mentioned apart from flying saucers perhaps but certainly many things which adequately substitute flying saucers...

If sci-fi was so restricted in terms of content years ago why is it so bold today?

Remain Vigilant


[edit on 21/05/2010 by bonsaisert]

Originally posted by Larryman
I've read that back in WWII, the government used Hollywood to create pro-American war messages and movies. ...

Yeah, they never really stopped using the entertainment industry as a propaganda tool. The interviews w/ Alan Watt at this link are interesting for general background info on that:

Creating a Faulse Reality: Entertainment industry & mass manipulation

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I concede TODAY'S Sci Fi is probably a tool- but then again, name a show that is NOT a tool for someone's propaganda and messages to be shoved down one's throat these days.

I'm sorry, but Trek (original, not extra crispy) wasn't exactly it.....

Originally posted by bonsaisert
If that were the case then how do you account for science fiction shows of today such as Fringe and the Stargate series?

These shows are rife with the sorts of things you mentioned apart from flying saucers perhaps but certainly many things which adequately substitute flying saucers...

If sci-fi was so restricted in terms of content years ago why is it so bold today?

Remain Vigilant


[edit on 21/05/2010 by bonsaisert]

I don't know. Do Fringe and the Stargate consult with NASA for technical information?

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I'm afraid NASA is not the be all and end all of scientific knowledge my friend.

If television show makers have managed the task of getting you sat down with your eyes glued to the tube I don't think it matters what propaganda is being pumped into your mind. Their goal is already achieved.

Remain Vigilant

It's more likely he wanted his show to be original and as realistic as possible.

Rather than just a reflection of the media frenzy surrounding UFO's

Also Star Trek was more likely to increase interest in such phenomenon, since it got people interested in aliens and spaceships.

Hopefully you've read this and come to the conclusion that your idea is just a little bit illogical.

[edit on 25-5-2010 by thedarklingthrush]

When I was a kid I thought star trek was like communism in space, in the different series no one ever seemed to own any personal property. You didn't really see anyone that owned their own ship, and anything that seemed fun or dangerous was illegal. Also I thought the ships were horribly built, always breaking down or exploding etc..

[edit on 25-5-2010 by Silverado292]

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wylekat has a point.. never mess with a serious trekker. I know. I am one. I wrote classes for role playing on technical jargon so the role players would know a jeffries tube from a isolinear chip and how to use them correctly in a role play.. they had to understand the science, engineering flight, navigation, bridge systems and sub systems etc.. in short.. all of the good bits or they would not be effective role players. (took me months to write those classes) - and teaching the stuff.. a nightmare.

The point is There is an extensive background written on Father Gene and it is widely known where and how he developed many of his ideas about the show. Many of these ideas go back to his childhood. Some from when he was a cop and still others he took from the political happening around him at the time. Very interesting reading.

He did have robots in a few of the TOS ( The Original Series) shows, there was hyperspace via the warp drive and there were flying saucers - but most of the time the craft were known to the crew and the times they didn't it was a first contact situation but they were not intimidated by the craft because they were so used to seeing them from other races.

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He did have robots in a few of the TOS ( The Original Series) shows, there was hyperspace via the warp drive and there were flying saucers - but most of the time the craft were known to the crew and the times they didn't it was a first contact situation but they were not intimidated by the craft because they were so used to seeing them from other races.

There were no flying saucers or robots in ST: TOS. The nearest ship to a flying saucer was the Romulan ship - and it had warp engines. The nearest thing to a robot was several androids. And the the whole concept of warp-drive seems to me to be a diversion concept - to divert thinking away from the manner in which ufo's suddenly appear from (and disappear to) the hyperspace between universes. Even Trek's planet-landing shuttlecraft are warp drive boxy craft, so as not to be the logical flying saucer landing craft technology.


[edit on 5/25/2010 by Larryman]

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What drugs did you take to come to this conclusion?! And I thought that wacky thread about Trek and the one world Govt and the Federation was a topper!

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Originally posted by Larryman
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

He did have robots in a few of the TOS ( The Original Series) shows, there was hyperspace via the warp drive and there were flying saucers - but most of the time the craft were known to the crew and the times they didn't it was a first contact situation but they were not intimidated by the craft because they were so used to seeing them from other races.

There were no flying saucers or robots in ST: TOS. The nearest ship to a flying saucer was the Romulan ship - and it had warp engines. The nearest thing to a robot was several androids. And the the whole concept of warp-drive seems to me to be a diversion concept - to divert thinking away from the manner in which ufo's suddenly appear from (and disappear to) the hyperspace between universes. Even Trek's planet-landing shuttlecraft are warp drive boxy craft, so as not to be the logical flying saucer landing craft technology.


[edit on 5/25/2010 by Larryman]

They did encounter other beings that had 'ships' that didn't look like or were recognizable as ships. - to me that's the same as a UFO.

Robots and androids to me are the same. I would consider V'ger a robot. It was a mechanical sentient being.

To me warp drive technology does not " divert thinking away from the manner in which ufo's suddenly appear from (and disappear to) the hyperspace between universes. "

If I am standing on a planets surface, and I see the Enterprise suddenly appear from out of warp, that would look very much like what people describe as the " ufo's suddenly appear from (and disappear to) the hyperspace between universes IMO. "

Gene had all the elements in there.. he just called them different stuff and made them work a little non conventionally.

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Gene Roddenbery was a writer of western stories.
He latched onto the sci-fi themes of the 1950's. I can't say for sure where he got his philosophies. However, he was GENIUS in what he did with Star Trek. He pretty much latched onto what young people were thinking about. Probably heb caught upon the socialism and communism of his time.

He was, after all, creating art from life, that was reflecting life and art.

That's a difiullcate processs. Are you creating art from life, or creating life from art?

Most artists say one thingl, and the others say the other way.

Meanwhiile, most artists say they are reflecting life. I don't. I make my own reality and allow others to accept my reality, However, I do, still reflect the world. Yeah, I know, it's a hard concept. But it works.

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I think there is a BIG difference between space-warping and using hyperspace shortcuts. I think the BIG difference is found in the amount of energy consumed to perform the method.

And I have yet to see even one picture of a UFO having space-warp nacelles. I think 'they' know something that Star Trek does not know.

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Interesting post.. thanks for this. Many people think its just extreme paranoia, even those into the conspiracy/alternative researching think this at times. But for some time now, I have believed films, television, adverts as well, are more often than not brimming full with conditioning, and predictive programming-an interesting link i found on Blogspot predictiveprogramminginmovies.blogspot.com...

I think it happens a great deal, and its designed to go un noticed, so no one has got a clue it even exists unless one looks into such methods of mind control. I dont believe everything i read or hear, but there is far too much solid foundation to this train of thought.
Being aware is the only immunity and even then i wont go so far as saying its 100% immunity..
Our vision and mind itself only takes in a portion of what we see at any given time.. a very small portion actually.. and the subconscious deals with whatever isnt taken into the conscious thought forms. No telling what one could push into that..hence hypnosis to heal people at times, and cure habits such as smoking.. implanting suggestions in such a state is a delicate but very effective way of changing the minds and thoughts of the people..and if anyone has seen a tv addict, i remember many a time seeing my mother glazed eyed (no she doesnt smoke that lol or take any drugs) drawn into the show..it is very hypnotising, opening that part of the mind.. can anyone honestly believe that they arent messing with that part of the minds of the mass populace on a global scale??
good OP, OP


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[edit on 25-5-2010 by Full_Vision]

Star Trek?
Hmm. Interesting.
But, I think it's probably just a film.
I like Star Trek Especially the new one with Simon Pegg

On a more serious note though. Dis-info for what, exactly?