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Education Secretary Arne Duncan is asking lawmakers to put aside “politics and ideology” as they consider a request for $23 billion in “emergency” funding for public schools – a measure Republicans reject as a massive federal bailout for the teachers’ unions.
The Obama administration is supporting the bill, formally titled the Keep Our Educators Working Act and sponsored by Rep. George Miller (D-CA) and Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA). In a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) dated May 13, Duncan warned that if the bill is not enacted, “millions” of school children will be adversely affected and the ensuing damage will “undermine the groundbreaking reform efforts underway in states and districts all across the country.”
Originally posted by truthseeker1984
Being a teacher that is a victim of the economic recession, I can tell you that something needs to be done to save what teachers we have left. I agree that the system needs to be fixed. I agree that jobs need to be created so that the tax payers can pay their taxes, which in turn keeps teachers at work. I agree that there is corruption at all levels.
Originally posted by zenjewel
Originally posted by truthseeker1984
Being a teacher that is a victim of the economic recession, I can tell you that something needs to be done to save what teachers we have left. I agree that the system needs to be fixed. I agree that jobs need to be created so that the tax payers can pay their taxes, which in turn keeps teachers at work. I agree that there is corruption at all levels.
I am not a teacher and am also a 'victim' of the recession. Why should saving your job be any more important than anyone else? I have four kids. Only one attends public school. The oldest is in college an the younger two go to private school.
85% of the funds our school district receives is salaries. The union won't take a cut or freeze pay. It's a joke. I'm sick of the whining being done by teachers, service employees, bus drivers, etc.
Do what the rest of us do and get a second (or third) job. Wait it out and stop complaining.
Originally posted by prionace glauca
reply to post by truthseeker1984
I am sorry to hear about your position in the current economics. My ex girlfriend is a Teacher in Illinois. That state is so far in the red that it is refusing to pay salaries and benefits, not even IOU's.
Alllowing this bailout to occur does not stop the problem, infact it encourages it. The problem is with those contracts that unions have filled with crazy benefits and language that prohibits bad teachers from being taken out of the system. Public Education has failed, parents would serve better to teach their children at home with online classes.
This bailout is nothing but grease to line the pockets of those who support the current agendas. I am sorry to see you and my girlfriend cought up in the middle of this. She is thinking of going abroad to teach and is writing a book about the corruption that takes place in education.
[edit on 24-5-2010 by prionace glauca]
Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
It's all about the kids and education right?
Not really, it is about taking care of another labor union, which among others are very powerful lobbyists.
Originally posted by truthseeker1984
Why should saving teacher's jobs be more important than others? Well without the public education system, the rest of the infrastructure of the country would collapse. This institution is one of the cornerstones of a first world country, and the second that something this big collapses you are going to have a big problem on your hands.
To address the problem of the union: As I stated before, I have a beef with them. They do not represent teachers as a whole. They are just as bad as any other union in the states, and is a detriment to the education system as a whole. Their views are bias, and they always look out for themselves more than for the people that they represent. On a microcosm level they very much follow the path of the US government.
Do you realize that the average pay of a starting teacher in the US is around $32,000 a year? Now this may seem like a lot of money, but let us look at the facts:
The average college education major will accumulate anywhere between $15,000-$40,000 of college loan debt while in college. This is just for undergrad. Many do this because they believe that they will make a difference.
$32k is take home pay at the minimum. But you fail to mention the benefits and vacation time provided with summers off. Some hard working teachers I know also tutor on the side as they believe in the school curriculum is not enough and it helps pay the bills.
This Bill is for the Teachers Union, if you are not part of one. I doubt you will ever see this bailout money. You should be against it also. But if you are part of one, then you are promoting their views as the collective is reponsible for everything that is done in their name.
Originally posted by 30_seconds
I work as a teacher. I teach 11th and 12th grade math and science classes. (And a sociology class, but that isn't my cup of tea)
I went to college and studied biology & chemistry, with a minor in education. I graduated magna cum laude.
I had to get student loans to pay for it. I had $50k in debt when it was all finished. Yes, I did work part time and full time during summers.
After income tax, and student loan payments, my take-home is about $1,550 a month.
We're overpaid?
[edit on 24-5-2010 by 30_seconds]
Originally posted by prionace glauca
The teachers who partake in the current education system are not for the well being of the student.
To most teachers their sole goal is to make sure they keep earning a check and at whatever costs to the system.
Their are some great teachers trapped in the current system, they need to be rescued and others dumped.
America's youth continues to be ranked lower in intelligence when compare to the rest of the world in Mathematics and Sciences.
This Bill is for the Teachers Union, if you are not part of one. I doubt you will ever see this bailout money. You should be against it also. But if you are part of one, then you are promoting their views as the collective is reponsible for everything that is done in their name.
Many teachers got into into teaching beacause elementary education was not that hard of degree to graduate with. Some went onto attain higher education degrees which are more south that Bachelors as in any field.
People who became teachers did not do it for the money, so money should be the last thing should be floated as a point of discussion.
Some real teachers who wanted to make a difference got into it for principles, but those teachers are drowned out by the unions.
$32k is take home pay at the minimum.
But you fail to mention the benefits and vacation time provided with summers off.
Some hard working teachers I know also tutor on the side as they believe in the school curriculum is not enough and it helps pay the bills.