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Originally posted by prionace glauca
reply to post by truthseeker1984
Please read my posts in entirety also I do read yours.
I have mentioned the bad teachers and the unions that take advantage of contractual negotiations.
Unions could get away with such shady deals because all of the teachers would join these Unions.
I have relatives who are teachers and my girlfriend is one herself.
Student loans is something you and I have brought on ourselves.
Our take home pay should be calculated before student loans not after.
Please also keep in mind the fiendly benefits.
Curriculum plans and revamping lessons is part of the job description.
It is something that should come naturally and one who teaches a particular subject should be aware of how to tie lesson plans together.
Its not the favorite part of the job but it is in the job description.
There are seminars across the nations as they are available for all professions to educate on new trends in their profession.
I pay for CE credits which are refunded partially by my employer.
All I have continously said is to take the bad apples out of the system, not to promote by bailouts what is taking place now.
This system needs shock therapy, that includes to press the reset button.
Have teachers re-apply and tested to make sure they know what they are suppose to teach.
I am in full support of the good teachers out there, but if you are part of the unions promoting the bad teachers also...then you need to value your own position.
As those bad teachers are the reasons for your downfall also, and your continued support of the Unions who harbor just promotes further erosion of the education system.
Originally posted by benrl
And by massive education reform, I mean strict guidelines on teacher performance.
I am a product of public education, I can tell you honestly that from k-12 I never had a teacher who gave a rats butt about their students.
I can remember times when as one of the "smart ones" I was completely ignored and allowed to do my own thing, I was in the gifted program or "gate" program in my school, I never realized how #ty my education was until I got to College and had to take semesters of classes to catch up to what the standards of my College where at.
I can only imagine what the education experience was for children who where not in the "smart" group.
Originally posted by zerbot565
the cost for the war in iraq was about 20 secs ago around $804,159,688,370
guess that summ could have been spent on better things , ,
Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by truthseeker1984
Do you know how I am judged at my job?
First there is performance, I have strict quotas and targets I have to meet.
Next, Satisfaction of Clients, reviewed by them and secretly scored on how I treat them.
Followed by resource management, do I use to much of the company dime to get what I need done accomplished.
I don't see how teachers feel they are so hard to be judged, Obviously reform needs to start with what is taught not just by who its taught by. I would almost say teachers stick together as much as Cops do, much like the Blue wall the cops use to stone wall, teachers do the same.
How about this for some reform to start with.
Abolish the grade system that just keep rolling students onward as they age, make it a flat pool of credits, with standards of passing to get those credits, Mix the ages in each class so that yes you may have advance students who passed early, and you may also have older students who still have problems passing, older and younger students would be in the same classes.
As for the teachers, simple have their pay increases made by pass rates (as well as disciplinary action taken by them) Do not allow passing to be judged by the teachers, have a system in place with standards that must be met and proven.
Originally posted by carewemust
I've been married to a teacher for over 23 years. I was dating her when
she graduated Michigan State and began teaching in a relatively small
Michigan town with a population of 30,000.
My wife-to-be wasn't paid very much, but that's not why she went into the
teaching profession. She did it to "Make a Difference", as she used to say.
Over the years, I've watched her "grow" from being an idealistic,
possibility-thinker, to an overworked part-time parent to children who's
parents are too busy working to spend quality time with them. Here we
are in an upper-middle class suburb of Chicago and 11 of her 24 students
(5th grade) speak Spanish as their primary language.
Things sure have changed.
Okay, that's all well and good, but you have the choice of firing one of your subordinates if they don't perform. Teachers don't have the option of firing students. Plain and simple.
The only one I disagree on is the teacher performance issue. I think it should be reworked to an extent, but there are more factors involved than in the business world.
In the business world if you have an employee that isn't putting out, well, you fire them. In the education world if you have a student that isn't putting out you can't fire them.
An overhaul would have to include mandatory parental meetings and a support system for students who need it.
We are, after all, talking about kids, and not businessmen and women.
My God! Your posts continue to underscore the very real need to take a hard look at public education and consider the very real possibility that public education be abolished. A teachers students are not subordinates, they are students, that should be treated with the respect that young minds attending a class with the full on intent of learning deserve.
(as I am sure a public teacher has this option as well)
Of course you do, as you seemingly have no interest at all in entering the private sector and teaching there.
This mandatory parental meetings you speak of could only be accomplished in public schools through even more intrusive legislation. What utter and unadulterated arrogance you show.
Please! You refer to the kids when you believe this rhetoric serves your argument, but let's be clear here, the vast majority of your posts have revealed that what you care about is your own personal self interest. This proclivity towards self interest is often what the public sector loves to ridicule the private sector for, but there should be no doubt that you care far more for your own self interest than that of any kid. You have blamed the kids for the failures of public schools, you have blamed the parents, and you have steadfastly refused to accept any responsibility for this failure yourself. You stand as the poster teacher for why public schools should be abolished. You offer nothing of value in the way of education, and only see the profession of teaching in terms of what it can do for you.