It is true that Toutatis will be passing at approx. 4 Lunar distances from earth in theory. Toutatis is also one of the most unusual asteroids in the sky.

"On Sept. 29, 2004 an asteroid the size of a small city will make the closest known pass of such a very large space rock anytime this century. Toutatis looks something like a dumbbell hurtling awkwardly through space. It has a crazy rotation that makes normal days impossible. Scientists can't explain the shape or the spin, but they're eager to learn more in September when, during the close pass, even backyard skywatchers will be able to spot the asteroid."

"That's close by cosmic standards for an object that could cause global devastation. Toutatis hasn't been so near since the year 1353 and won't be that close again until 2562, NASA scientists have calculated."

A Harvard paper was written on the potential of this asteroid named in the paper, "Fatum" hitting Earth. Toutatis achieved its shape and rotation through numerous collisions it is believed.

Will it hit earth? I don't know.

Sugetocha: I think that hand has been played again. Sorry but I think you are playing it really badly. The chances of a cherokee indian in south australia is even smaller than the of earths orbit colliding with the sun.

Theres been alot of stuff about comets in June. Some guy claimed to be a scientist warning of major impact. Turns out it was a hoax, the REAL scientist (the hoaxer used his name) has no idea about it, and doesnt believe there will be an impact any time soon.

That said...why are all these naval powers out there right now??? Is it a comet or are they just planning for a possbile war in the future? Right now with the war in iraqi, the war on terrorism etc..the later is a better explanation.

Mynaeris wrote:

Sugetocha: I think that hand has been played again. Sorry but I think you are playing it really badly. The chances of a cherokee indian in south australia is even smaller than the of earths orbit colliding with the sun.

OK, well I dont know what to believe myself. He DID look like an american indian in his face, talked with an american accent. and said his brother's website was www.prophecykeepers.com which had a lot of interesting information relating to all this.

Originally posted by Mynaeris
Sugetocha: I think that hand has been played again. Sorry but I think you are playing it really badly. The chances of a cherokee indian in south australia is even smaller than the of earths orbit colliding with the sun.

It's not intrisically believable, but it's not impossible (unless cherokee are deathly afraid of travel). There are Asians in America, White men in Africa, Black men in England, and most incredibly of all, there ae still english speakers in southern california. People aren't bound to a certain place by ethnicity.

That being said... what is he doing in Australia? Are we talking about a guy with native ancestory who heard a rumor from back home, or a guy who still wears a feather and consults the medicine man? When you give the impression that there's an indian shaman in Southern Australia just shooting the breeze with Toutalis watchers, it strains credibility.

what where those numbers in AB's thread about then, I know he explained but has any credible astronomer taken a look, is it all meaningless babble or do they correllate to something real??

" T-199.80..:-5-004.1.887(993.56)ETA:-24:34.INC
T-005.83..:-5-004.3.733(447.34)ETA:-05:51.INC
T-003.48..:-6-004.5.735(693.72)ETA:-10:37.INC? "

He may not be Gartrell, but what if he's another real astronomer but did'nt want to give his identity away for real, he must have known people would look him up, and even find the lame clues in his post (references to war of the worlds ect) surely if he was smart enough to pull all this info together he's semi intelligent you have to agree? So why leave such easy to find bread crumbs. Its not hard to fool people in any situation but theres still enough weird co-incidences going on that leave me a lil bit affraid yet, we'll see in the next week

I'm not trying to make myself a part of the story at all IDIOT. All I'm saying is an Indian guy told us these things. Plus read MY posts correctly or perhaps you are illiterate or dyslexic. I never said I made up ANY of this stuff, I'm telling YOU what he told us. I don't exactly know the specifics of the association with that Aussie Guy, except that we were told his name, and that he lives in South Australia, and that it was a hoaxed hoax. The basic outline was that the information posted by WHOEVER it was, whether it was the Aussie Guy now denying it for fear of his life, or somebody else using him as a front I do not know. But Whitewolf might, and I have KINDLY provided his email address for ANYONE to ask these questions which I do not know the details of.


Vagabond said:

That being said... what is he doing in Australia? Are we talking about a guy with native ancestory who heard a rumor from back home, or a guy who still wears a feather and consults the medicine man? When you give the impression that there's an indian shaman in Southern Australia just shooting the breeze with Toutalis watchers, it strains credibility.

I posted this before: that he TOLD us that he was descended from the Cherokee tribe. He was wearing normal western clothes, e.g. jeans and a shirt, had no headbands or feathers on but had the longish type hair which many have. What he's doing in Australia? I don't know. He mentioned getting off a plane a few days ago, so whether he went overseas for a holiday or just got here I do not know but he has an optusnet.com.au email address so I assume he lives here, or is living here and has or is living here for a period of months. Perhaps the idea of an american indian in South Australia does sound uncredible to some but I'm just here to tell you what I SAW and what I was told, not to judge the things that I was told or the credibility of the characters who I witnessed and heard from. As for where he heard it from, he was passed the message recently by his brothers in the US. I guess this could be interpreted as non-blood related brothers merely fellow American Indian brothers, and he mentioned they'd been using medicine wheels or something.

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MAN, talk about the thing that would not die.

If you would bother to read the posts that we have linked ON THE FRONT PAGE! Everything has been gone over including the giberish of his supposed asteroid data.


*Runs screaming from the computer*AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

a Moderator going by the name of Banshee has just robbed all of my current points from me and painted a WARNING sign on my nickname. It's good to see certain moderators being neutral rather than bias and taking sides, especially when one was critically responding to criticisms that were directed at him. *ahem* after using the board for over 12 months contributing hundreds and hundreds of posts I was sure this forum allowed free speech. Sadly I have been proven wrong. Perhaps I will make no more postings in public forums and merely contribute in the accompanying league of believers in RATS.

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Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
Any one know of any Venus Transit information, regarding its effect??

The only importence for us in OZ is that MR. Cook found Australia the last time he wanted to follow Venus/Sun 3rd equlipse. (BSW that is as well conspicacy material because the Dutch where here much before Cook and how knows who else)

Frozen_snowman,

Like the Aborignal people of Australia?


SO, other than allowing some pretty precise measurements of the Solar system, And allowing for Calibration of Some Science equipment, It just a dot.

However, thinking about this little dot which is really an earth sized planet
makes me feel small. Anyone feel smaller due to this astronomical event?

Originally posted by sugeshotcha
I don't know what to think of this but myself and approximately 30 people were told in South Australia tonight by a native American Indian descendant known as White Wolf from the American Cherokee Tribe that his elder Indian Members have been using medicine wheels and other divinatory tools and have been informed that there will in fact be three strikes of meteors and it will be this month but it will not be the end of the world.

I call White Wolf's bluff and raise him three earthquakes (including the San Andreas finally splitting the West Coast from the redundant parts) and five discoveries of unheard of ancient civilizations next week.

MA, I'll see your five discoveries and raise you a Alien disclosure....

cyberpilot, I'll see you. Sorry, I had to leave the table for 11 days and nights. There's another transit in progress.

That alien disclosure was the Joker - I didn't know they were in the pack!

What have you got?