Time for the South to set those poor North Koreans free

With the sinking of South Koreas ship by North Korea, I believe it is time for South Korea to set the people of North Korea free from the tyranny of Lil' Kimmie.

Just think of how great it will be when Korean families that were split by the war can reunite. How the South can teach the North to grow enough food to feed themselves and show them how to be just as good at manufacturing and buildng a real country.

reply to post by SlickOil


Or maybe N. Korea can free S. Korea.

Doesn't sound very intelligent does it?

Neither country should be getting involved in the others affairs. If N. Koreans wake up and want change then that's a good thing but we should not encourage it or discourage it. We just should not be involved in other countries affairs.

Who's to say which persons life is best. I think how I live in the west is really good and that suits me, but it might not suit everyone else.

[edit on 5/3/10 by Misoir]

reply to post by Misoir


I think the North Koreans got involved in South Koreas affairs when they torpedoed the South's ship. Now it is time to free those poor North Koreans.

It is pretty sad that you think that someone is going to be happy to be ruled by a maniacal dictator while they starve to death and dont have fuel oil for the winter. Of course, it is easy to say lets leave it to the people when you are sitting in a warm house and a belly full of food with a few guns under the bed for when the SHTF.

So I guess it is ok with you for Kimmie to rape your daughters and beat your family for disagreeing with him or not saying he looks cute in his new outfit.

Originally posted by Misoir


Who's to say which persons life is best. I think how I live in the west is really good and that suits me, but it might not suit everyone else.

Please read something about the great North Korean famine of the late 90s, and the continuing hardships there. I would like to see you look a starving North Korean child in the eye and try delivering a mouthful of feel-good cultural realtivism about their situation.

I often like your ideas and contributions to threads, and I think your perspective is usually well-reasoned, but on this one you have gone too far.

North Koreans are NOT HAPPY with their lifestyles, in general. As more and more information seeps across the border from China, Japan, and South Korea, they are learning how shoddy their lives are in general, and how badly they have been lied to by the regime about many things -- the outside world, North Korea's place in it, etc. In the 1960s living standards were comparable in the two nations, but there is real starvation in North Korea even now: the only place in East Asia to face such grim conditions.

reply to post by SlickOil


If N. Korea did torpedoe the S. Korean ship I believe it should call for retaliation. But only for the reason of attacking them, not 'freeing' their citizens.

I think Kim Jong Il is a raging lunatic but it is not our place or S. Koreas' place to impose their will on a sovereign nation just because their people are supressed and forced to live in squaler.

What about all of the dictators in Africa? There are dictators in Africa who have been ruling for centuries, they take aid away from their citizens and kill them. There are no Neocons foaming from the mouth when it comes to them.

One day all people will liberate themselves from the shackles of oppression. Whether this means a communist, socialist, capitalist, fascist government or no government at all.

There is only one thing a dictator can't control and that is time. Time always sends people like Kim into the history books.

reply to post by SlickOil


You know, it's comments like that that lead people to think all Americans are blood-thirsty and out to take over the world. If South Korea wants to go after North Korea, more power to them. If the people of North Korea want to go after their own government, more power to them. I feel for them, I really do. But it's not our place to step in here and frankly I have had enough of the wars to last a lifetime. The last thing this country needs or can afford is yet another war.

We have people starving here. We have homeless people here. When's the last time anyone threw a fit about the living conditions of our own citizens? How about we clean up our own house before we go trying to tell someone else how to clean theirs.

reply to post by silent thunder


I was not meaning that N. Koreans like how they live. My meaning was that we can't go around the world imposing our western style of democracy and capitalism and expect everyone to like it. I like western culture and lifestyle.

I would look a starving N. Korean child in the eyes and tell them that it is up to him/her and their people to liberate themselves, don't expect anyone to do it for you. We should not be in the business of overthrowing dictatorships to make the peoples lives better. Eventually they will get sick of their life styles and kick those losers out of power.

reply to post by Misoir

I think Kim Jong Il is a raging lunatic but it is not our place or S. Koreas' place to impose their will on a sovereign nation just because their people are supressed and forced to live in squaler.

What about all of the dictators in Africa? There are dictators in Africa who have been ruling for centuries, they take aid away from their citizens and kill them. There are no Neocons foaming from the mouth when it comes to them.

There is only one thing a dictator can't control and that is time. Time always sends people like Kim into the history books.

Well if someone doesnt set the North Koreans free then they are out of luck. What are they going to do fight the N Korean troops with a shovel and spade?

I think we should work to setup situations for the fall of all dictators. Everyone should be free and at least have a chance in hell at a happy life. I always thought we should go into Africa and clean up that mess. You would think our first Black President would have a heart for it, but guess he doesnt give a flying flip either.

I guess if you were in a prison camp working slave labor and being beaten all day just because you worded a sentence wrong then you would just keep telling yourself time will set you free. Then 50 years later you would still be telling yourself the same damn thing.

reply to post by Jenna


I am not saying the US should get involved. I clearly stated in the OP that the South Koreans should set the North Free. I agree we dont need to get in another war and if we do it should be aimed at Iran.

reply to post by SlickOil


You realize that you just proved my point anyway by saying we should go to war with Iran, right?

reply to post by Misoir

Agreed, it is not the US's role or responsibility to "liberate" North Korea.

Still, if they take the struggle into their own hands it is bound to be a humanitarian disaster because the regime is dependent on "all or nothing" control systems and has no built-in "steam valve" for handling dissent. It will grow desperate and ugly.

Practically speaking, I think the best possible scenario for NK is a transition towards a China-like slow opening after the death of the current leader, which will probably occur soon. Too rapid an opening will cause chaos, and continued current conditions can no longer be sustained for a variety of reasons.

A joint framework for facilitating the transition among the US, Russia, China, South Korea, and Japan in particular would be constructive in easing the tensions in the area and also bringing the "great powers" together to work peacefully with each other to solve a thorny problem. Leaving North Korea completely alone endangers millions in neighboring countries as well -- the chances are escalating that a desperate government would play the "military card" to prop up its fraying control over an angry populace. North East Asia wouldn't look so pretty if they lobbed a nuke or two at, say Tokyo, now would it?

reply to post by Jenna


LOL, I didnt say we should go to war with Iran. I just said if we were going to go to war with anyone then Iran should top the list. You know its kinda like when your wife goes shopping and you dont want her to buy anything but then you are happy when she just came home with a pair of shoes from Target as opposed to a another new Coach purse.

It's not a matter of whether it's right or wrong. It's a matter of military strategy.

Attacking North Korea would not be smart right now; if it were a good idea we would have already done it. The Korean War never ended, remember?

IF it would have been possible to do, it would have been done a long time ago.

But guess what, the cold war made it too dangerous, and the thousand of artillery tubes with Seoul in their sight, not to mention the nukes are too dangerous.

Believe me, it would have been done if it would have been possible without killing a million south koreans.

The only way North Korea is gonna be liberated without a million dead south koreans is if CHINA invades North Korea... and unless China is forced into it, they won't do it.

The only way China would go in North Korea, according to their plans, is if the North Korean regime collapse or prepares to nuke SK without any provocation and without chinese approval.

reply to post by ForAiur


Well what better way to end the war than the South crushing them in an indisputable way. At least then it would be over and we wouldnt have to discuss it anymore as the North Koreans could have the freedom that is being stolen from them.

Why is everyone saying it was a torpedo>?

Was that confirmed by anyone?

Anyone?

Anyway, I thought it was a water mine the south korean ship drove into.
They crossed onto the norths' maritime border, and hit a mine.

I hope for the souths' side it was an accident.

There is no means for a retaliation when you cross a border and get blown up by a mine. This is more spin. Next thing you know someone is going to breech area 51, get killed, and then his family is going to call for retaliation?

Or if someone gets shocked by an electric fence?

Or a pitt bull kills a burgler in someone's basement?

This is embarrassing for the south. Lets hope it was an accident.

It will be the stupidist war ever. The crossed into a fortified sea zone and drove into a mine, and now they want to rt=retaliate. Sounds like bushism to me.
And now you want to set them free.

They should get in their boat and go save some wildlife in the gulf of mexico, or was that hit by a torpedo as well?

Are they going to set the wildlife free in the gulf, after they retaliate?

Come on?

SlickOil, I believe you are coming off as a Neocon. I am not sure if you are intending to or not but you are.

It is a cycle of human evolution to liberate yourself. If we went around the world liberating everyone who needed to be liberated we would have to wage war against about 100 countries. We can't pick and choose who deserves liberation or not.

If we liberate the N. Koreans they are far more likely to reverse back into a dictatorship because it was not their consenting will which overthrew their leaders. I would be happy to see N. Korea be liberated and everyone else in this world, but it is up to them.

Sorry. Double post.

[edit on 5/3/10 by Misoir]

reply to post by 517.101


The US, the South Koreans, and third parties are all saying the damage appears to be the result of a torpedo launches by North Korea. It wasnt an accident it was intentional. If you havent noticed yet Little Kimmy is crazier than an outhouse rat.

reply to post by SlickOil


They also said there were w.m.d.'s in iraq.

No evidence.

Torpedo has not been verified either