Obama seeks to 'reconnect...young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women' for 2010

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by dolphinfan
What do you suppose if someone did this on the other side?

Yeah! This is the first time a president has made an effort to connect with the various groups of people who voted him in! How dare he!? That would be like George Bush seeking the evangelical vote or trying to connect with black people by speaking at the Urban League.

Disgusting! Never heard of anything like this before!

/sarcasm

your right about one thing. he is definetly the first president that is trying to connect various groups, but what you failed to carry out with your sarcasm was that he is the first president that has been so obvious in trying to segregate each and every social class of citizenship in the United States. no sarcasm here, the man makes me sick

reply to post by David9176


It is racist because he specifically mentioned groups of specific races.

How about "lets get all the white folks, young folks, Asians and women to kick the Republican's out of Congress". By purposefully excluding hispanics and blacks the statement is at minimum subject to charges of racism, as is the comment he made.

Would folks call the above statement in quotes racist? You know they would.

How about "all of us who believed in what we were trying to do when I got elected to bring change to this country need to get together and work to maintain our govering coalition in November". That works. That actually is a unifying statement. He's a smart dude and he knew the difference.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Have you ever heard of machismo? I'm not saying that white guys haven't had their fair share of douche-y-ness but come on, that is a ridiculously generalized statement you just made.

reply to post by dolphinfan

It would seem our "President" had no qualms about leaving two words out of his statement:

"Whites" and "Males"

"young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again."

The President does not even try to hide is contempt for "Whitey".

If a white president ever specifically excised these groups, the ramifications would be immense.

The other thing that pisses me off about this is that it does what the previous administration was really good at: deflection, race baiting, and never actually debating the issues.

Obama's lost the gay vote and I don't think that he will get that support again. I think they are finding out very quickly the irony of an African-American President who supports separate but equal style rules for the LGBT crowd because he's a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN. He's not a muslim, he's not a marxist, he's not a socialist. He's a corporate, blow bag BAC just like the last DOFUS we had for the last 8 years.

He won't address the issue of his ties to Goldman Sachs and let's not forget that he and the "Democratic" Congress just caved to Soros and Buffet when legislation about to do something concerning "Derivatives" was actually on the table.

He's won the Nobel Prize for War. Way to go!

He's been the most secretive President since Nixon when it comes to transparency in government.

Oh yeah, he just signed some statements saying it's okay to assassinate an American Citizen outside of due process. Whew, major Constitutional Scholar there, YEAH!

Dude, he's going to need a lot more than these various "groups" to help him climb out of the hole he's dug for himself.

Yes, please bring on the rObots. I don't think it will be any trouble deflecting you lot. Keep thinking that it's just about race. Yeah, it couldn't really have anything to do with the fact that maybe people are getting tired of being fed the same old crap.

As Bill Hicks said: I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking. I think the puppet on the right is more to my taste. Go back to sleep, America."

[edit on 26-4-2010 by justinsweatt]

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by dolphinfan

 

"young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again."

I'm sorry...I'm reading this quote. It says YOUNG PEOPLE, AFRICAN AMERICANS, LATINOS, and WOMEN.

Could someone tell me how this is frickin racist? Do you assume that by referring to "Young people" and "women" that he's referring to minorities?

How in the hell did you make this leap?

I have to totaly agree with you on this one.

I've just read that article through over and over again and cannot see how it is racist....or calling for racial divide.

He didn't mention midgets either....does that mean he's sizest too?

Come to think of it, he left out the elderly, and almost every other culture on the planet.

How dare he be so racist.

Time for a cuppa methinks, before we start seeing only what we want to see.

CX.

Originally posted by muzzleflash





This blaming everything on white males has got to stop. What are they the new Jews?

If going by what is transpiring in Arizona; the new Jews are the Latinos as they seem to have been singled out for "preferential" treatment. "Your papers, please"

Topic....a politician appealing to his base. What a concept! It won't do him much good though; he's toast. Even this Liberal/progressive is fed up with the lies and broken promises.







[edit on 26-4-2010 by whaaa]

Originally posted by CX

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by dolphinfan

 

"young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again."

I'm sorry...I'm reading this quote. It says YOUNG PEOPLE, AFRICAN AMERICANS, LATINOS, and WOMEN.

Could someone tell me how this is frickin racist? Do you assume that by referring to "Young people" and "women" that he's referring to minorities?

How in the hell did you make this leap?

I have to totaly agree with you on this one.

I've just read that article through over and over again and cannot see how it is racist....or calling for racial divide.

He didn't mention midgets either....does that mean he's sizest too?

Come to think of it, he left out the elderly, and almost every other culture on the planet.

How dare he be so racist.

Time for a cuppa methinks, before we start seeing only what we want to see.

CX.

I think the word you are looking for, that should have been used by the President of the United States, is "Americans".
He, above all others, is not supposed to be viewing separate groups as preferred, more worthy of attention, or deserving extra stroking.

No matter what you say, if a President went on, stroking "white males", the reaction by minority groups and liberals would be as if we were falling into the Sun!

Show me ANY time when White Males have been given credit for anything.
Even though, it was White Males that made it possible for minority groups to have any say in ANYTHING in our country in the first place.

You can't. Because, it literally IS NOT ALLOWED!

Originally posted by David9176
How in the hell did you make this leap?

If people weren't looking to turn everything he says into something "bad" (and counting on Rush Limbaugh to tell them their opinions) they'd realize what he's saying.

Young people, blacks, Latinos and women are the people who historically DON'T vote in mid-term elections. White men do! That's why he didn't mention them. Because white men historically are the people who vote in mid-terms.

Obama had plenty of white men voting for him.

Five Voting Demographics Where Barack Obama Made Headlines

1. Minorities: Ninety-six percent of black voters supported Obama. He also drew the votes of two thirds of Hispanics.

2. Young people: Obama won the under-30 crowd by 34 percentage points. This bested Bill Clinton's 19-point advantage over Bob Dole among young voters in 1996.

3. Women: Obama attracted 56 percent of female voters. Unmarried women also voted for Obama over McCain by 70 to 29 percent.

4. White men: He had the support of 41 percent of white men. Before Obama, no Democrat since Jimmy Carter had earned more than 38 percent of the white male vote.

5. Hillary Clinton fans: Obama won over 84 percent of Democrats who backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

Its like the America people are being cattle prodded into unrest fueled by ethnic divide ! Disgusting !

Originally posted by allprowolfy

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by dolphinfan
What do you suppose if someone did this on the other side?

Yeah! This is the first time a president has made an effort to connect with the various groups of people who voted him in! How dare he!? That would be like George Bush seeking the evangelical vote or trying to connect with black people by speaking at the Urban League.

Disgusting! Never heard of anything like this before!

/sarcasm

your right about one thing. he is definetly the first president that is trying to connect various groups, but what you failed to carry out with your sarcasm was that he is the first president that has been so obvious in trying to segregate each and every social class of citizenship in the United States. no sarcasm here, the man makes me sick

WM-Yea thats that lefty school training hes got. Makes for someone that finds touchstones to touch without really knowing anything about the stone. Like radio stations that have a playlist based on top 40 hits over a time span but no real DJ.

Originally posted by OpusMarkII
Its like the America people are being cattle prodded into unrest fueled by ethnic divide ! Disgusting !

Yes they try but we are hip ....like the guy above said.

But it worked so well in the past for them dont you know. They are soooo desperate that they have taken to calling hip people racist anyway.

They are like junkies that long for the days of their first high. But every junkies like a setting sun.

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interesting appeal there benny you slammed alot of other ethnic citizens and that is your best come back? are you a bigot|

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by David9176
How in the hell did you make this leap?

If people weren't looking to turn everything he says into something "bad" (and counting on Rush Limbaugh to tell them their opinions) they'd realize what he's saying.

Young people, blacks, Latinos and women are the people who historically DON'T vote in mid-term elections. White men do! That's why he didn't mention them. Because white men historically are the people who vote in mid-terms.

Obama had plenty of white men voting for him.

I dont know pal. If you check my posts i was saying all this before Rush came on today.

Wow as far as the rest of your post wow.

anyway I take what he says in context of the other things he says. Like just the other day he said he wanted to appoint a new SP Judge based on their record of defending womens rights. He says this after apponiting his last pick "the wise latino woman". So one doesnt have to be nagative on the man to see a pattern developing a mind set at work there.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


interesting appeal there benny you slammed alot of other ethnic citizens and that is your best come back? are you a bigot|

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by David9176
How in the hell did you make this leap?

If people weren't looking to turn everything he says into something "bad" (and counting on Rush Limbaugh to tell them their opinions) they'd realize what he's saying.

Young people, blacks, Latinos and women are the people who historically DON'T vote in mid-term elections. White men do! That's why he didn't mention them. Because white men historically are the people who vote in mid-terms.

Obama had plenty of white men voting for him.

Five Voting Demographics Where Barack Obama Made Headlines

1. Minorities: Ninety-six percent of black voters supported Obama. He also drew the votes of two thirds of Hispanics.

One has to ask if this is a pro black vote or an anti-white vote. What would be said if a white male canidate were to draw 96% of the total white vote against a black candidate? Would that not be seen as some sort of referendum?

We could give Obama a break here seeing that it was certain that black would vote 96% for the first black candidate even if this justification is not very politicaly sophisticated. Even at that Obama doesnt act like he won a popularity contest but indeed sees these numbers as a referendum.

Even his appointment of Sotomayor can be seen not only as a political pay back to his hispanic voters but also within the referendum tide. Had a white male president made such an apponitment the appointment would have been stained, the appointee held in suspicion for being a political showpiece of the conservatives. Sotomayor was sold by the liberals as a girl from the projects that fought against the odds of poverty, gender and race even taking a stab at white males on the way in. In other words a real hero of the oppressed. I personaly know of a newspaper, one of the largest in the country, that actually went back and edited some of Sotomayors coments from its on line version they were so blatantly sexist and racist.

Young people, blacks, Latinos and women are the people who historically DON'T vote in mid-term elections.White men do! That's why he didn't mention them. Because white men historically are the people who vote vote in mid-terms.

"White men do! That's why he didn't mention them".

Do you realize what you have just said here?




[edit on 27-4-2010 by Logarock]

How is Obama and the left going to resolve this issue: The African American community and their complete and total disavowal of the LGBT community.

Yes, Obama was able to get a large amount of the African American vote. What they don't tell you in those statistics is that in California, along with a very large Catholic Hispanic vote, turned out to vote against Prop 8 in droves when they saw Prop 8 on the ballot. So exactly how is all of this going to work out for him? You're securing the rights of one at the dismissal of another which is something since Jim Crow we've been trying to do away with as a country. Well, if you believe in liberty, anyway. I always find it ironic and audacious that Obama would actually try to get the African American vote, especially after signing Executive Orders that fund abortions of African babies on the African continent for the eugenicist agenda of UNICEF and the UN. Seriously? That's just effed no matter how you look at it as far as I'm concerned.


The underlying problem is with identity politics and it breeds race baiting and division. You will always have those people who will make the claim within the African American community that he's not Black enough. The same with a lot of the LGBT communities as well. You get terms like "well they're not gay enough" or "she's too feminine to be a lesbian" and other bogus crap like that. By playing on race, gender, and sexual orientation you do nothing more than marginalize the very person that you think you are trying to help by putting them in collectives, instead of paying attention to their individual strengths. Just like it's impossible to have a two party system speak for Americans (really), it's impossible to have the needs of one person met when they are lumped into a group. It's also divisive and does nothing but create this ridiculous notion of black and white, us and them, you're either with the terrorists or you are not, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. It's bogus. It's wrong. It's boring.

People are not labels and there are always exceptions. Try working on being an American with good values instead of being classified like a DVD section on Netflix.

reply to post by Logarock


Does it matter? If it is one vs. the other it does not matter.

I lived in NYC when David Dinkins ran against Guilani back in the earlly 90s. The way the demographic was that Queens was something like 80% for Guliani, The Bronx 80% Dinkins, Brooklyn heavy Guilani, Staten Island practicallly all Guilani and Manhattan heavily for Dinkins.

The racial tension during the election was terrible. It was worse afterwards. Folks like Sharpton actually saying that the city was going to burn should Dinkins lose.

Dinkins lost and did something that was fantastic. He came out and calmed folks down. He saved lives that day.

We don't need polarized elections. When you have one, a governing coalition is practically impossible to build, and nothing gets done.

Obama knows this which is what makes his comments troubling

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Logarock

 

The racial tension during the election was terrible. It was worse afterwards. Folks like Sharpton actually saying that the city was going to burn should Dinkins lose.

Dinkins lost and did something that was fantastic. He came out and calmed folks down. He saved lives that day.

The threat of violence has been part of minority politics for while now. Its real political tender and the same that turn their heads toward this are the same that warn and are so sensitive of "radical right" violence.

Originally posted by Logarock
Do you realize what you have just said here?

I do.

My point is that, in this particular ad, Obama is reaching out to the people who historically don't turn out in mid-term elections. White men usually DO vote in mid-term elections, so this particular ad is not aimed at that demographic. It's aimed at blacks, Latinos, young people and women. Nothing racist about it. He's trying to reach the people who normally DON'T vote in mid term elections.

Why don't you tell me what you THINK I said.