Armed man arrested at NC airport as Obama departs

Originally posted by ventian
He definitely wouldn't have made that shot.

I think ur missing the point here.

He wouldn't have wanted to hit the president.
Just the 747 itself. After it revs up for take-off
emptying a clip into the plane could cause it to crash
on take-off.

A 747 makes a big target at 200 feet.

edit to correct yards to feet



[edit on 26-4-2010 by boondock-saint]

reply to post by Ahabstar


another thing comes to mind

ATS poster "Tormentations" said he was
gonna help initiate world war on April 25.
He has a thread here to that fact and he hasn't posted
back to it. He said he had 3 wives.

Does this McVey have 3 wives ???

or are they even connected ???

more research, hmmmm

edit to add thread url

www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 25-4-2010 by boondock-saint]

Very weird... I'm sure something is up with this.
Just look at the kid..and McVey? Seriously!?
Oh man..

reply to post by bvproductions


he does have that same hair cut
and last name similar.

Does anybody know how old Tim McVeigh was
when the OKC bombing took place???

edit to correct spelling


[edit on 26-4-2010 by boondock-saint]

Originally posted by boondock-saint
reply to post by Ahabstar

 

well here's some geographical research
this is the layout of the Ashville Reg Airport.
The Rental Car Parking lot is within 200 ft
of the Taxiway. That's closer than Lee
Harvey Oswald was to Kennedy.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/600847cb56e4.jpg[/atsimg]

Yes the taxi way is 200 ft.

But the President would be inside the plane at the time so the chances of him making a shot like that with a handgun would be impossible.

Now if you can pull up where the ramp is where Air Force one was parked at we can see if a shot from the road would be minutely possible.

Even then it is doubtful.

The reason being is that there are snipers all over the place looking at every possible angle. This was a very ill conceived plan from the very beginning, 0 percent chance this would have succeded.

I worked at an airport as a lineman and we had President Clinton arrive on Air Force One. You cannot begin to comprehend the level of security they have around that plane.

Now I beg everyone out there. Please do not assassinate President Obama. No matter how bad you think he is, he is a hell of a lot better then having Biden as President and Pelosi as vice.

reply to post by Miracle Man


miracle man
please refer to my first post
on this page at the top.

I stated that I didn't believe his
intention was to hit Obama, but
to hit the 747 as it was taking off
to make it crash.

Originally posted by Miracle Man
Now I beg everyone out there. Please do not assassinate President Obama.

well let me state for the record
I DO NOT want Obama dead.
And I had nothing to do with this
incident in Asheville NC.

I am just trying to do some research
here as to how Joseph McVey might
have planned something like this.
IF ... and I say IF that was his intention.

This is really fishy.

100K bond for being armed?

How can you be armed "in terror of the public"?

He must have had plans for something bad if they are really holding him on 100k bond.

I doubt they would do this for just being armed, though being armed at an airport is just STUPID.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
reply to post by Miracle Man

 

miracle man
please refer to my first post
on this page at the top.

I stated that I didn't believe his
intention was to hit Obama, but
to hit the 747 as it was taking off
to make it crash.

Even to crash a plane with a hand gun he would have to hit an engine. Not even just hit the engine. He would have to thread the needle and hit the turbine. Doing so would be next to impossible if the plane is taking off on that runway. If the plane was taking off from a crossing runway then it still would be impossible due to the range.

I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that my scenerio and yours are both very ill conceived plans. Especially doing so with a hand gun. This guy might have just brought a gun to an airport. He might not have known the President was even there.

I'm going with the guy has some dillusional problems. He is dilllusional if he thought he could take out the President or his plane with a handgun.



By the way, I wasn't stating you wanted the President dead. That was a plea to everyone who might want it. I was showing them the alternative is a hundred times worse then what we have now.

Originally posted by Miracle Man
Even to crash a plane with a hand gun he would have to hit an
engine. Not even just hit the engine. He would have to thread
the needle and hit the turbine. Doing so would be next to
impossible if the plane is taking off on that runway. If the
plane was taking off from a crossing runway then it still
would be impossible due to the range.

Are you forgetting that a plane is pressurized???
A shot to the wing fuel tanks could make it explode.
And also, a couple bullets into the cockpit would
disable certain systems and a loss of control,
even if u didn't hit the pilots.
so there are quite a few ways something like this
could have been very bad.

Originally posted by Miracle Man
I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that my
scenerio and yours are both very ill conceived plans.
Especially doing so with a hand gun. This guy might have
just brought a gun to an airport. He might not have known
the President was even there.

and yes, I would agree this was ill concieved. And he did know
Obama was there. The headline article on Fox states that he
did ask to see Obama.

Originally posted by Miracle Man
I'm going with the guy has some dillusional problems. He is
dilllusional if he thought he could take out the President or his
plane with a handgun.

yep, I would agree with that also

Originally posted by Miracle Man
By the way, I wasn't stating you wanted the President dead.
That was a plea to everyone who might want it. I was showing
them the alternative is a hundred times worse then what we
have now.

lol, I know
but there have been some people around here
citing text and I wanted to make my intentions clear
by stating that this was just research for me

Originally posted by MegaCurious
Hmmm... McVey... wonder if he's related to Timothy... but anyway...

I find it strange that in Cleveland they let security guards get out of cars with strobe lights carrying guns (yeah, and no holster or anything, just holding the gun in their hand), but they immediately arrested this guy and say he wasn't a cop.

[edit on 25-4-2010 by MegaCurious]

I don't know if this is a joke, but Timothy McVeigh is spelled...well, McVeigh, not McVey as this guy is.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
reply to post by Miracle Man

 

miracle man
please refer to my first post
on this page at the top.

I stated that I didn't believe his
intention was to hit Obama, but
to hit the 747 as it was taking off
to make it crash.

There is no way a small hand gun could down an airplane....just a Colt .45 or 9mm wouldn't even make it much past the metal sheeting, and considering Air Force one is designed to take air to air rounds...yeah, not gonna happen.

[edit on 26-4-2010 by yellowcard]

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
By tomorrow this guy will be revealed to be a Birther, Racist, Teapartier right wing radical Rush radio "ditto head" anti-abortion christian, NRA member and anything else useful that can be applied to him for political gain.

He's absolutely a racist!!!

Was THIS the suspects car???

OMG I ROFLMAO reading the report. Seriously... The report is right out of a movie.

Has scoping trajectories in his ashtray(?) a holstered weapon and says he wants to 'speak' to Obmama ...

That is just an awesome visual picture the report paints.

And the guys' last name is McVey!!!! This is hilarious.


[edit on 4·26·10 by DrMattMaddix]

reply to post by yellowcard


Star for the obvious.


Plausible excuse: He felt that something similar to what happened to the Polish President may have happened to Obama in NC. Especially given that Obama went to speak with Billy Graham. Maybe felt he could stop it from happening. Some how see the people that would want to crash the plane, be able to monitor their communications and alert authorities. Worse comes to worse stop them himself.

Nutty idea, yes. About as nutty as trying to take out Air Force One with an XD 40. Who knows what lurks in the minds of the mad.

Originally posted by yellowcard
There is no way a small hand gun could down an airplane....
just a Colt .45 or 9mm wouldn't even make it much past the
metal sheeting, and considering Air Force one is designed to
take air to air rounds...yeah, not gonna happen.

some opinions offered on that assessment

www.findlegaladvice.org...

and the air to air defense systems are not extra metal sheeting,
but rather chaff and flares in the tail and is only good
against incoming rockets or missiles. Bullets can
penetrate. A plane covered in that much sheeting
would be too heavy to lift off the ground.

here is an image of a bullet hole in the
cockpit of a UsAir Commercial Jet from
a handgun.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c92265d67e45.jpg[/atsimg]

www.upgradetravelbetter.com...

[edit on 26-4-2010 by boondock-saint]

The speculation on this thread is absolutely amazing. I have to ask, of those people speculating about a possible hit on Obama, or the possibility of shooting the plan down with a handgun, did you actually read the source article?

from the OP

The suspect was nowhere near the president's plane, which had just departed, and was in a rental car return lot that is open to the public, Smith said.

So allow me to ask... if the plane had just departed, how good of a shot would he have to be to down Air Force One with a handgun?

Personally I think the guy is freakin idiot. Plane and simple. You have to be a complete moron if you think you can show up at an airport with a gun. You have to be an even bigger moron to think you can show up to an airport, with a gun, knowing the President is in the area, and then (while armed) asking to see the President.

The formulas for rifle scopes is interesting, but nothing is said about a rifle being found, and if there is no rifle, the formulas do not do much good. The strobe lights and the sirens are also suspicious, however I question if this guy actually broke a real law. At the end of the day, there are suspicious things, but this guy is basically arrested for being in possession of a firearm and nothing more. He didnt actually do anything with the firearm according to this article. So where was the crime?

reply to post by MrWendal


Yes, there is some speculation on this thread.
This IS a conspiracy forum is it not?

Since info is not being released to the
public yet, some are trying to figure
out if indeed this was what the authorities
are making it out to be.

And yes I did read the article.
When the article first posted.
It read like the title "as plane departs"
in the story. Since then the story has been
updated to infer past tense "departed"
but they still have not changed the title "departs"
to prove my point.

As far as the suspect not being near the plane.
The article states he was arrested in the
Car Rental Return Lot. The map image I posted
of the airport proves that he could have been within
200 feet of Air Force One, if indeed the plane was
departing while he was there in the lot.

Agreed! We come here to speculate all over the place.

I have to agree with yellowcard on the shooting the plane scenario though. Not saying the guy maybe wasn't whacked out enough to think he had a snowballs chance to bring down a commercial jetliner (AF1 or not) with a handgun. Just think about the economy of scale. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he was packing something like a 44 Mag. or a 454 Casull. Anything less wouldn't get there with enough punch to do enough damage. He still would have had to make an uber-marksman shot that would have challenged world class marksmen. Think about it, to shoot an object moving extremely fast in a precise location in a target window of only a few inches. Most people can't even group as narrow as necessary on a stationary object much less a jet during take off. He also would have had to be beyond intimately familiar with the exact aircraft he was shooting at. Airliners may have a thin skin, but the internals are very tough, and redundant. Even if he hit something vital, there is a back up. It isn't impossible to do it, but the improbability of success approaches infinity. Things don't just auto'slpode when shot with a cool gun like in the last action hero. A jet is REALLY big and a handgun in comparison is really small. It would be like shooting a charging rhino with a .22 at 200 yards. You better be a damn good shot. In fact I'd put the rhino scenario at about 3 times more likely to happen than the handgun shoots down jet scenario. But hey maybe the dude wasn't living in our reality