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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:03 PM
****EDIT*** - Please note, this thread is not intended to debate the validity of Astrology, I the OP, have absolutely no attachment to astrology, I am merely here to show you that there is a great deal of circumstantial evidence to show that many of those possibly involved do hold great stock into it.

Good day ATSers!

I have created this thread in an attempt to analyze and critically examine the astrological significance of 9/11. I know, I know, when most hear the term "astrology" it is common place to automatically think of frivolous things such as horoscopes and what not.

However, whether you want to believe in its validity or not, the fact is that there is a provable correlation between the TPTB and astrology, particularly the secret societies of the Free Masons and the Illuminati.

For example, Benjamen Franklin, a 33rd degree Mason, specifically picked the date to sign the Declaration of Independence because of its astrological significance.

Another widely unknown fact is that many famous iconic names associated with science and discovery historically were in fact astrologers as much as they were astronomers.

Such names were Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, DaVinci, Nostradamus, Newton, Jung, Lilly, Einstein (Debated), Plato and Salk.

In addition you can find that the likes of Shakespeare, Picasso, TS Elliot, and Emerson all had their hand in Astrology.

The Law of Cause and Effect (Newton) and the Theory of Relativity (Einstein) are part of the basic principles of Astrology.

In fact here are some notable quotes regarding the veracity of astrology:

Plato – Philosopher said : "Perhaps there is a pattern set up in the heavens for one who desires to see it, and having seen it, to find one in himself."

Albert Einstein – Physicist said : "Astrology is a science in itself and contains an illuminating body of knowledge. It taught me many things and I am greatly indebted to it." (SOME CONSIDER THIS QUOTE A HOAX)

Ralph Waldo Emerson – Poet said : "Astrology is astronomy brought down to earth and applied toward the affairs of man."

JP Morgan – First Billionaire said : "Millionaires don’t use astrology, billionaires do."

Sir Isaac Newton – Physicist (Said in defense of astrology, to skeptic Edmund Halley) I have studied the matter. Your sir, have not.

Robert Heinlein – Best-selling Author said : "A touchstone to determine the actual worth of an ‘intellectual’, find out how he feels about astrology."

Hippocrates- Father of Medicine said : "A physician without the knowledge of astrology has no right to call himself a physician."

DH Lawrence – Author said : "Who knows the power that Saturn has over us, or Venus? But it is a vital power, rippling exquisitely through us all the time."

Louis Pasteur – Scientist said : "The controls of life are structured as forms and nuclear arrangements, in relation with the motions of the universe."

Pythagoras – Mathematician said : "The stars in the heavens sing a music if only we had ears to hear."

Benjamin Franklin – A Founding Father of America said : "Astrology is one of the most ancient sciences, held in high esteem of old, by the wise and the great."

Donald Reagan – Formerly Ronald Reagan’s Chief of Staff said : "It’s common knowledge that a large percentage of Wall Street brokers use astrology."

Many of the founding fathers were Masons and astrologers. (Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, the list goes on and on)

All of the important events of the government were timed to astrology. The country was founded in Cancer, Election Day is in Scorpio, and Inauguration day used to be in Pisces until FDR (an Aquarian) changed it to Aquarius. This completed a Grand Trine in Water.

Carl Jung recognized the synchronicity, the basis of Astrology. He also said, “We are born at a given moment, in a given place, and like vintage years of wine, we have qualities of the year and the season in which we are born.”

Nancy Reagan used astrology, after the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan in 1981, to determine when the best & worst times were for the president to do everything from signing bills to foreign travel. The media made fun of Nancy Reagan at the time but, President Reagan was the first president since Jefferson elected in a year ending with “0″ that was not killed while in office.

T. S. Eliot’s epic poem The Waste Land is full of astrological references. Not only that but the four sections are named after the astrological elements, Earth, Air, Water & Fire.

The Three Wise Men were Astrologers. Some believe that they heard that the Christ child would be born at the time of a conjunction of planets - two planets appearing in the same place in the sky at the same time - that was to signal the arrival of a new age. The two planets involved in this conjunction were Jupiter and Saturn. Both planets were bright, but this wasn’t something that the average eye could notice. Even though they were trained astrologers this took The Three Wise Men some time to find Jesus in Bethlehem. (The early Roman Catholic church used astrology - represented in the 4 corners of the mitered hat and much of the symbology in cathedral buildings and windows.)

Before the advent of the pharmaceutical industry, astrology was a required course in medical school.

Now, back to the topic in hand - The Astrological Significance of 9/11

I recently stumbled upon this documentary titled "Do you Believe in Magic", I have found it to be quite fascinating with an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence. I personally do not believe in coincidences so if you happen to feel like I do, please do the math.

I have embedded all of the videos below and have also included the most important bullet points to each video.

I would also like to note that in order to have a meaningful discussion on this topic, it is obvious that one would have to be so inclined to watch these videos. Since that is a matter of choice, if you choose not to, fine, but please do not come in here and derail the thread.

I hope that others find this as interesting an pertinent as I do toward the discovery of what really transpired on that fateful day.

***PLEASE NOTE*** The notes attached to the videos below was authored by the user name "Mysti" who posted this on another forum. I believe she is a member on ATS, so thank you for your hard work!!!

[edit on 14-4-2010 by OnTheFelt]

[edit on 14-4-2010 by OnTheFelt]

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:10 PM

Part I:

--Astrology has been around for thousands of years. Egyptian night sky depiction is shown with the constellations and their pantheistic gods and goddesses.

--Ecliptic, the apparent path of the sun as seen from the earth. The celestial bodies are followed as they passed through it, divided into the 12 zodiacs, and they believed in channeling their energies below, and reflected this in their architecture. Ex. Egypt Pyramids built to reflect the celestial alignment of Orion's Belt.

According to the ancient Hermetic Principle: As Above, So Below.

--In depth astrology unlike our superficial kind follows all the bodies and their influence on each other especially Saturn and even Pluto.

(Note this actually the basis for Sacred Geometry)

--This is the astrology that mystery schools and occult practitioners use, such as The Golden Dawn.

The Free Masons, whose members have included America's founding members including George Washington, use astrology in their symbolic art.

Here we see a Masonic tracing board whose royal arch can be seen adorned with the signs of the zodiac. On the Masonic apron, the all seeing eye of Horus.

At the George Washington monument we see a Masonic compass, also adorned with another Egyptian all Seeing Eye.

--But what of the compass and square and its illuminati symbolism? Shows the tarot card the magician with his classic hand symbol, As Above, So Below. Essential concepts in the occult.

--Symbols of As Above, So Below: A triangle pointing up. Accompanied by a second triangle pointing downwards. When combined they from a hexagram, Star of David.

Removing the base for the triangles one can see the outline for the common Masonic symbol of the square and compass. It then shows the symbol of the reflection in water that they believe is natures reflection of this principal. And then it shows pictures of all the notable structures with their pools that reflect them, including: The US Capital, the Lincoln Memorial, and the Supreme Court.

--Washington DC was built according to Hermetic Principals. It was laid out to reflect what was going on in the stars, you have a right angle triangle surrounding the constellation of Virgo. This was partly reflected in the layout of the Federal triangle, the White House, Washington Monument and Capital Building, were designed in a right triangle according to the star pattern above!

--9/11: There was an important astrological alignment between two of the most important astrological powerful celestial bodies: Saturn and Pluto!

A highly destructive aspect: opposition!

--Saturn: Planet Form/Structure. Materialistic Power.

Saturn on 9/11 was in the sign of Gemini TWINS! Gemini also multiplicity.

--Pluto: Destruction/Transformation. Pluto on 9/11 was in the sign of Sagittarius, the sign of Religion, the sign of Foreign Cultures, and Long Distance Travel.

Part Two:

--compare the Saturn Opposition/Destruction aspect with what is symbolized: materialistic power, twins, multiplicity and destruction, transformation, foreign cultures, religion (Islam)

--Gemini ruled by mercury the winged messenger = communication. Saturn whose symbolism also = restriction, while in Gemini can be said to be: The Restriction of Communication.

In the Official explanation, Norad and the FAA suffering serious setbacks in communication.

--More as above so below was cemented by the twin towers being completed in 1971 when Saturn entered Gemini. But it wasn’t until 2 years later, April 4th, 1973, when the opening ceremony was held, when SATURN OCCUPIED THE SAME SPOT in Gemini that it did during 9/11! Another remarkable as above so below symbology.
(publically opened and publically closed with exact same mid Gemini position)

--NASA website: Saturn's rings are made up of seven parts, and the twin towers has seven buildings! The occult symbol for Saturn is the Seal of Solomon, and the 7th building was the Solomon's Building. The one who designed the world trade center complex, to ascetically mirror the Islamic temple at Mecca, where the black stone of the Kaaba is, and this is considered by many to represent Saturn.

(please note all the coding to turn all religions into sun god and Saturn worship and to make willing sacrifices of people to basically dracos)

--Are these 5 direct links between the twin tower complex and Saturn mere coincidence?

--In occult law, Saturn is the "Gateway to the Gods" and the "Dweller on the Threshold"...entrance?

Does the entrance lead to a symbolic temple of Solomon?
With the two pillar of Boaz and Jachin ritualistically embodied as the twin towers?

--He and his partner experienced Synchromysticism:

After uploading his first video, they decided to watch a film on a well known film link site, as they scrolled through the vast list of videos, my partner was drawn to a particular title: The 10th Kingdom!
I was drawn immediately to this poster with a picture designed released 2000. Mountains above, below the statue of liberty mirroring the triangle mountain, and the twin towers.(two different related poster pics showing the same allegory) and with the words at the top, Do You Believe in Magic?

The trailer showed that a time door or Saturn Solomon Gate opened up in New York with the twin towers, as a point of destination, buildings are destroyed and as a giant strides across a bridge, the twin towers can be seen collapsing in the background.

Part 3:

--Discusses Pluto. Its role: Deep transformation (WTC, NYC, USA, World), brings past tensions back to the surface (longstanding Muslim/Christian), also rules all things secretive, secrecy and secret organizations (and Al Qaeda secret plot is set to be the official story).

--The history of the "recently discovered and recently demoted" Pluto.

Lowell Observatory, on the search for planet x, March 13, 1930, it was discovered. Then a story is concocted as to how its named. There was another Saturn/Pluto opposition during Plot's discovery, announcement & naming, the very essence of this series and what Pluto was to stand for astrologically for this event. And there is actually a conspiracy in the entire naming. The two brothers involved in the naming, Madden brothers, the one named Mars/moons, and it turns out Mars and Pluto are astrologically linked, Pluto being the higher octave of Mars. Linked to 2 brothers who played key roles in the naming. Then it describes the Mason connection that goes back to Francis Bacon the grandfather of Masonry.

--Through Pluto’s naming through madden and the institute he worked for tied to head masons and secret societies such as Bilderburg, The Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, The United Nations, Club of Tome, Royal Institute of International Affairs, this brings an incredible, as above so below, and also a kind of mirror to conditions of 9/11 and links the two times together.

--Pluto is a Roman replicate of the Greek god Hades, god of the underworld. Hades = Unseen. Pluto comes from Plouton a Greek word = wealth. Unseen god of wealth.

--Pluto remains unseen because of his mythical cap of invisibility. Sir Francis Bacon writes in The Essays,
"For the Helmet of Pluto, which maketh the Politic man go invisible, is secrecy in the counsel..."

--To the Greeks, Hades, thrived on the misery of mankind. He is enriched by our sighs and tears.

Now consider Bush's key 9/11 speech:
"Behind them is a cult of evil, which seeks to harm the innocent, and thrives on human suffering, there is the worst kind of cruelty, the cruelty that is fed, not weakened, by tears."

-- Was Pluto named after: unseen/wealth/enriched by pain/"maketh the man of politic invisible" as a reference to the shadow government/masons/Is Ra El?

Illuminati founded may 1st 1776, Pluto named may 1st 1930. Is it a coincidence that the Pluto was said to be named by a 11 year old girl, and Pluto is coupled with Persephone/A virgin goddess?

--And was the cap of invisibility once again placed on Pluto when it was demoted in 2006.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:14 PM

Part 4:

--Ancient history is replete with symbolic freestanding twin structures with an often depicted deity at their center. Gateway, to some other world beyond.

--In the book, the Golden Dawn: Explanations of the symbols of the 'Grade of the Neophyte.' The "mystical meaning of the Two Pillars.."

A magical ritual of the two pillars is given with many names for the two pillars: Pillars of Shu, Pillars of Hermes, Pillars of the Gods of Dawning Light, and many historical origins, one of which is the North & South Columns of the Egyptian Gate of the Hall of Truth...

--The Secret Teachings of all Ages by Manly P. Hall,
"The obelisks before the Sanctuaries of Egypt...have the same symbolic import as...Boaz & JAchin of Solomon's Temple. 1Kings Ch. 7 Vs 21

--In the KJV of the Bible, Boaz and Jachin are described as each being decorated with checkerwork. (masons duality symbol). Also this is found on the floors surrounding the pillars in every free Masonic hall.

In the same biblical chanper,1 Kings ch: 7 Vs:20 they are described as being decorated with pomegranates, a feature surrounding the tarot packs high priestess who sits between the very same two pillars, one black with a B on it, and one white with a J on it. It also has the II twin numeral or Gemini symbol.

--Boaz and Jachin magically represent polarities of dark and light: Dark/Female/Birth/North/South and Light/Male/Death/South/North.

--Hall writes "IN the mysterious Sephirothic Tree of Life, these two Pillars symbolize Severity & Mercy."

--The tree of life is of course the Kabala, a multi symbolic magical map of consciousness whose spheres represent the planets of astrology and also to tarot cards.

--Boaz severity and Jachin mercy

--If the twin towers were built to represent Boaz and Jachin, then where is the third pillar?

--The Great Spherical Caryatid! A fountain feature at the base of the towers known as the sphere, it was commissioned simultaneously as work began on the two towers in the 1960s, seemingly integral to the complexes original design. Its artistic title is: The Great Spherical Caryatid. named by its designer Fritz Koenig.

A Caryatid architecturally is a replacement pillar.
Our missing mystical column!

--This Caryatid was set to rotate once every 24 hours, it was also made of 52 pieces of Bronze the alloy used to forge the original twin pillar Boaz and Jachin. There are 52 weeks in the year and this gives it a strong resonance to the earth and on the tree of life the earth rules the 10th sephira is known as Malkuth, between the two pillars, and is said to resonate strongly with the first sephira, Kether at its opposite extremity. It is said kabbalistically that Malkuth is in Kether and Kether is in Malkuth, As Above, and So Below.

--On the tree of Life, Malkuth is the 10th Sephira, Malkuth means kingdom, and within Malkuth lies the gate which leads to the other nine spheres, to the pathway ruled by the world tarot card, WHICH, SURPRISE SURPRISE RELATES TO SATURN. They have enslaved this planet to Dracos. Symbol for Saturn, the Cross is called the Tau, represented kabbalistically by the letters "th" reminding us instantly for the movie the 10th Kingdom with the motive of "th" in which a magical gate opens between the 10th Kingdom, New York Earth, and the other 9 kingdoms.

This is chilling. What is that thing the black op/skeptics say to citizens who think things out and create unusual threads, "you obviously have far too much time on your hands!" Like some nasty draco slave driver. Well, it appears these low lives, have far too much time on their hands to be so busy with such dark twisted and incredibly immature and ugly, bullying and brutish plans.

Part 5

--The Sun also played a role. The sun was in the sign of Virgo, at 90 degrees forming an aspect known as a Grand T Square.

--The Sun intensifies the aspect that it becomes a part of, namely the 180 degree opposition between Saturn and Pluto.

--The Astrological Sun: Individual/Personal Power/Sense of Purpose/Expression of Will and the sun was in the sign of Virgo which is said to rule service to others, STO, the individuals personal power became one of Unification, the sense of purpose was to save other's lives, and the expression of will was one of self sacrifice with record numbers of police, emergency and fire fighters out in full force.

--Albert Pike, 33 degree Mason, Book Morals and Dogma that has 32 chapters, one is mysteriously titled, "Sublime Prince of The Royal Secret"

In his book, Pike informs the reader that: "The Solstices Cancer and Capricorn, the two gates of Heaven, are the two pillars...they still appear in our Lodges as the two great pillars of Jachin and Boaz..."

These are the two solstices of the sun, and the northern one is in Cancer and Southern one is in Capricorn. As Pike stated they are represented as Boaz and Jachin. The two solstices are housed in Cancer and Capricorn and not Gemini and Sagittarius, but when it was republished, coincidentally in 1966 when the ground breaking work of the twin tower construction began, he refers to the Roman scholar Macrobius, renounced for his work entitled Saturnalia,

"The Galaxy, crosses the two opposite points Cancer & Capricorn...These two Tropics, before his time corresponded with those two constellations - but - in his time with Gemini & Sagittarius...placing us right back in 9/11.

--This is because of the precession of the equinoxes, the earth's orbital wobble.

-- Pike also says in his book about Jachin & Boaz, that they are also known as two parallel lines which bound the circle with a point in the centre, emblem of the Sun..."

The Sun is also known as the Blazing Star or the Glory in the Center, is an emblem of Prudence, of omniscience, the all Seeing Eye.

Prudence is also a quality of Virgo. The sun was in Virgo, directly in the center of the opposition on 9/11.

Part 6:

--History of the USA: This goes on about the ascendant and the chart of the US, and talks about a conspiracy where half the astrologers go with a popular US astrologer that wants to add something that wasn't there lending to the romance of the American Revolution, but the Masonic astrologer, Ebenezer Sibley has the Ascendant and Descendant as:
Sagittarius Rising and Gemini Descendant (the opposite for the popular belief).

--Ebenezer Sibley cast the Sag Rising Chart that puts the US birth chart as synchronized with 9/11. Sibley's occult work was suppressed by the government of the day because his work "revealed secrets dangerous to be known". His chart seems to be based on actual inside information (there were many high ranking freemasons as Sibley was amongst the signature) and the timing was 5 10 pm, July 4 1776. This places the Ascendant for the US birth chart at 12 degrees Sagittarius

--Pluto was exactly 12 degrees Sagittarius at 9/11 in direct opposition with Saturn in Gemini, mirroring the US birth chart.

--Asc = Starting Point. The birth charts foundation. This does represent the birth of the countries independence.

--A Sag quality is one of FREEDOM. The Declaration of Independence became commonly known as the Freedom Document. tying into the Bill of Rights.

--Pluto was on exact degree on 9/11 changing the FOUNDATION of the country/Freedom, and resulted in signing the Patriarch Act blamed for destroying the foundation for political and lawful freedom that the US is built on.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:44 PM

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:48 PM
reply to post by OnTheFelt
SnF for having the courage to post astrology in the 9/11 section. Big cahunas!

It's all your own work too, you deserve a flag for the effort alone. Good luck...ducks and leaves thread...

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 01:50 PM

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 02:21 PM
Well, I see the trolls are already at it.

Now, if you're not convinced that there is true significant meaning to Astrology, please let me present to you Edward R. Dewey.

Mr. Dewey, who served as the Chief Economic Analyst for the Department of Commerce under President Herbert Hoover. During his tenure Mr. Dewey produced some startling revelations concerning cycles and their correlations in the following:

Some of the fundamental empirical laws of cycles found by Dewey over the years are:

* Common cycle periods appear in many seemingly unrelated disciplines.

* Cycles Synchrony is the observation that cycles of the same period often have the same phase.

* Cycles harmonic ratios is the observation that the common cycle periods are often related by ratios of 2, 3 and their products.

* Cycles outside the earth are related to cycles on earth. This was a conclusion that he came to reluctantly because it sounds like astrology.

Here is more evidence:

The study of cyclic phenomena in nature and human society affords a unique understanding of some of the forces influencing events on Earth. Though not strictly prophetic, cycle studies provide valuable indicators that give us time to prepare for impending peaks and troughs of weather, health, economy, war, and other social and natural events.

For instance, the Analogous Solar Terrestrial Research Organization (ASTRO) in Omaha, NE, announced in 1982 that stock market highs correspond to sudden peaks of geomagnetism 86 to 92% of the time.

This theory is verifiable by comparing the Dow Jones Industrial Stock Average with geomagnetic indices published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

According to stock analyst Ian McAvity (Toronto), the stock market is usually lower from the day before the full moon to three days after. The Dow Jones Average rises from the fifth day before the new moon to the fifth day after.

In 1935, L.J. Jensen, a market analyst, scientist and astrologer, observed:

"In checking economic statistics of the business cycle with the periods when the major slow planets, Saturn, Uranus and Jupiter, are 90 or 180 degrees apart in the zodiac, they are found to coincide with economic depression..."


The 20-Year Cycle of US Presidential Deaths ~

L.J. Jensen was the first person to note that since 1840, when Saturn and Jupiter began to conjunct in earth signs, every US president who was elected in those periods died during his term in office. The last conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn occurred in October 1980 in the air sign Libra; president Ronald Reagan was shot soon after (but was resurrected). The next conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter will be in 23º Taurus in May 2000.

--------------------Elected-------Died-------Cause------Jupiter Conjunct Saturn
William Harrison - 1840/1841/Pneumonia/Capricorn
Abraham Lincoln - 1860/1865/Assassinated/Virgo
James Garfield - 1880/1881/Assassinated/Taurus
William McKinley - 1900/1901/Assassinated/Capricorn
Warren Harding - 1920/1923/Gastritis/Virgo
Franklin Roosevelt - 1940/1945/Stroke/Taurus
John Kennedy - 1960/1963/Assassinated/Capricorn
Ronald Reagan - 1980/1981 (attempt)/Assassination/Virgo
George W. Bush - 2000/2001 (9/11)/Gemini (twins) (twin towers)

Only two presidents elected at 20-year intervals before 1840 did not die while in office:

Thomas Jefferson (elected in 1800) and James Monroe (re-elected in 1820).

Zachary Taylor was the only president who died in office but was not elected in a 20-year interval after another presidential death: Zachary Taylor was elected in 1848; he died of gastroenteritis in 1850.

The presidential death cycle has been analyzed by the Fisher Exact Probability test, and yields a statistical significance level of 0.00004, which is to say that there is only a very low possibility that the 20-year cycle is due to chance.

The statistical and theoretical difficulties of analyzing the 20-year cycle have been treated by the mathematician Michael Capobianco using a more conservative technique which still yields statistically significant results:

"We know (after the fact) that in the period from 1840 to 1980 there have been (so far) seven presidents who died in office. Accepting this condition of seven deaths in seven 20-year periods (1840-1860, 1860-1880, 1880-1900, 1900-1920, 1920-1940, 1940-1960, 1960-1980), one might ask how unusual it is that these seven deaths should occur in the way that they did, one per 20-year period."

If the distribution of these seven deaths in the 35 presidential terms (5 per 20-year period) was due to chance, then any pattern would be just as likely as any other one.

Assuming this, the probability of getting exactly one death in each 20-year period is under the understanding or condition that there are 7 deaths in the entire 160-year period is given by the following formula:

7 5x5x5x5x5x5x5
x 5=35x34x33x32x31x30x29 =0.012
(35/7) 7x6x5x4x3x2x1

"Therefore, there is slightly better than one chance in a hundred that the 7 deaths would have occurred in this way.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:44 PM
reply to post by OnTheFelt

Albert Einstein – Physicist said : "Astrology is a science in itself and contains an illuminating body of knowledge. It taught me many things and I am greatly indebted to it."

Do you have a reputable citation for this quote attributed to Mr. Einstein?

I do not believe it is something he would ever say.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:50 PM
reply to post by OnTheFelt

For example, Benjamen Franklin, a 33rd degree Mason, specifically picked the date to sign the Declaration of Independence because of its astrological significance.

Actually, I think you will find that the DoI was not signed on July 4, 1776 but adopted by the Congress on that date and signed later.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:55 PM

Originally posted by hooper
Do you have a reputable citation for this quote attributed to Mr. Einstein?

I do not believe it is something he would ever say.

The Einstein quote referring to Astrology is a well known hoax. You can see a slideshow here that better explains this hoax, complete with acknowledgments and references.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by gavron]

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:56 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're NOT helping your fellow conspiracy theorists here by introducing this astrology hocus pocus aspect into the mix.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 03:59 PM

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:09 PM

Originally posted by gavron

Originally posted by hooper
Do you have a reputable citation for this quote attributed to Mr. Einstein?

I do not believe it is something he would ever say.

The Einstein quote referring to Astrology is a well known hoax. You can see a slideshow here that better explains this hoax, complete with acknowledgments and references.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by gavron]

skeptical inquirer, now that's rich. Considering that a great many famous and influential persons in our history have used astrology, is it really that hard to believe?

Your source is no more credible than my quote.

good day.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:10 PM

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posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:15 PM
O.K folks, let's try to get a better understanding of this thread.

Whether there is validity in Astrology has nothing to do with this thread. What it has to do with is that secret societies/occults certainly do put a great deal of stock into it.

This thread is to show these correlations and debate on whether we really are living in a gnostic world. Meaning maybe we really are not in control.

As the OP, I have neither stated whether I believe or disbelieve in Astrology.

What I do know to be a fact is that it is highly regarded by some very influential persons in this world that may have very well been connected to the planning, execution and cover-up of 9/11.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:19 PM
reply to post by OnTheFelt

Again, what is the source for your quote(s)?

I do not for one minute believe that Einstein gave any merit to something as irrational as astrology.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:25 PM

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by OnTheFelt

Again, what is the source for your quote(s)?

I do not for one minute believe that Einstein gave any merit to something as irrational as astrology.

I have edited the OP and annotated that this is a debatable quote. Considering that there are some pretty other impressive names on the list that can be verified, lets not dwell on ole Albert.

I am not here to put a spin on anything, I am merely trying to connect the dots.

What would be helpful Hooper, since you have replied four times in this thread, would be to watch the videos and then comment on the information.


posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:28 PM

Originally posted by OnTheFelt

Your source is no more credible than my quote.

good day.

Well, if you would have bothered to view the presentation, and see the information provided, you would understand.

Link with similar information:

Sorry to rain on your parade.

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:34 PM


This thread has been moved from the 9/11 Forum to the SkunkWorks Forum on account of its speculative nature.

Attacks on the OP and off-topic ridicule stop now.

Thank you

[edit on 14-4-2010 by Skyfloating]

posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:42 PM
reply to post by OnTheFelt

Sorry, watched some of them to some point, there is no "information" involved. Please be careful that you aren't doing what so many like to do which is place the dots where you want them and then connect them to draw the picture you want to see.

There is nothing to astology. It is nothing but bunk. It assigns powers and charateristics to the patterns of random moving objects.

Put 20 ants and watch them move around. There is more life meaning in that observation then all of astrology.

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