I took these a few minutes ago. The "trails" started to disperse a little before I took the shots. I see these from time to time over my area. So... chemtrails or contrails?









disclamer: Detroit Metropolitan Airport is east of my location. It's about 20 miles away. Probably just contrails.

Its a very difficult thing to comment on, i'm fully aware as i'm sure some people will state, that depending on the height and temperature of the air that the plane is flying at, factors on wether it leaves such long contrails.

But from experience i often see planes flying at seemingly similar levels, with one causing a massive contrail that often turns into clouds and yet the other just leaving a small one that slowly disapates behind it. (also to add i'm quite good at judging the type of aircraft so am quite sure its often the exact same plane having these opposing results.)

Sorry i can't add any more on the matter........its just one of those subjects you have to be quite conservative on these days for fear of being attacked.

Originally posted by Invisus
Its a very difficult thing to comment on, i'm fully aware as i'm sure some people will state, that depending on the height and temperature of the air that the plane is flying at, factors on wether it leaves such long contrails.

But from experience i often see planes flying at seemingly similar levels, with one causing a massive contrail that often turns into clouds and yet the other just leaving a small one that slowly disapates behind it. (also to add i'm quite good at judging the type of aircraft so am quite sure its often the exact same plane having these opposing results.)

Sorry i can't add any more on the matter........its just one of those subjects you have to be quite conservative on these days for fear of being attacked.

I'm not one one those "Hey!! Look!! Chemtrails!!!" people. I have taken an interest in the subject as of late, but am still ambivalent on the matter. Just wondering what to "look for" and posted these photos as an example of what we get around here. Now... lunch sounds good!

Originally posted by Invisus
... But from experience i often see planes flying at seemingly similar levels, with one causing a massive contrail that often turns into clouds and yet the other just leaving a small one that slowly disapates behind it. (also to add i'm quite good at judging the type of aircraft so am quite sure its often the exact same plane having these opposing results.)...

A difference in altitude of a few thousand feet (say one plane at 32,000 feet and another plane at 37,000 feet) could cause the two similar planes to create different contrails -- one long and persistent, and one short and "fleeting"

...and I don't think most people could tell the difference between a plane flying at 32,000 feet and one flying at 37,000 feet (i.e., they would look as if they are flying at similar altitudes).


[edit on 4/12/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Those are chemtrails. Some will say contrails will stay for long periods of time... This is wrong. At most 10-20 minutes or so.

Ive been filming them steady for months now and when a plane goes by and leaves a thick foggy trail, and it turns into a massive hazy cloudy web covering the whole sky... ITS NOT A CONTRAIL


Contrails are normal and too be expected. They can last abit, but not long.

Sorry, but there is a major difference no matter what some say.


Go outside one day and devote the whole day to watching them and filming them. YOULL SEE THE DIFFERENCE VERY QUICKLY

I know chemtrails have been debunked on ats, but can someone explain to me the planes that fly around with no apparent direction or purpose and manage to leave perfectly positioned "chemtrails"....i mean they are at it for hours over where i live. i do live under a flight path but also close to the naval and military affairs.

Hi there OP

Here's the latest weather balloon data from Michigan from the lowest aircraft crusing altitude

300.0 9220 -51.3 -61.3 29 0.03 315 67 312.9 313.1 312.9
254.0 10281 -60.7 -68.7 34 0.01 324 68 314.3 314.3 314.3
250.7 10363 -61.2 -69.2 34 0.01 325 68 314.7 314.8 314.7
250.0 10380 -61.3 -69.3 34 0.01 325 68 314.8 314.9 314.8
234.0 10787 -63.9 -71.9 33 0.01 325 79 316.9 316.9 316.9
229.0 10919 -64.5 -72.5 33 0.01 325 83 318.0 318.0 318.0
227.0 10973 -64.7 -72.7 32 0.01 325 83 318.5 318.5 318.5
225.0 11027 -64.9 -72.9 32 0.01 325 82 318.9 319.0 318.9
214.0 11333 -63.7 -71.7 33 0.01 319 72 325.4 325.4 325.4
210.0 11449 -64.1 -72.1 33 0.01 316 69 326.5 326.6 326.5
208.0 11508 -62.7 -70.7 33 0.01 315 67 329.6 329.7 329.6
205.0 11597 -62.7 -70.7 33 0.01 313 64 331.0 331.0 331.0
202.0 11688 -60.9 -69.9 29 0.02 311 61 335.2 335.3 335.2
200.0 11750 -60.7 -69.7 30 0.02 310 59 336.5 336.6 336.5
195.0 11907 -60.9 -69.9 29 0.02 308 57 338.6 338.7 338.6
193.0 11972 -59.7 -68.7 30 0.02 307 57 341.5 341.6 341.5
187.0 12169 -59.9 -68.9 30 0.02 304 55 344.3 344.4 344.3
180.0 12408 -57.9 -67.9 27 0.02 301 52 351.3 351.4 351.3
175.0 12585 -58.9 -68.9 26 0.02 298 50 352.5 352.6 352.5
170.0 12768 -56.9 -67.9 24 0.02 295 48 358.8 358.9 358.8

As you can see by the 3rd column which is temperature (in degrees celsius), and the fifth column which is humidity (in %), contrail formation and persistence is almost guaranteed according to the appleman chart (which is what we use to forecast for the likelihood of contrail development and persistence).

[edit on 12/4/2010 by OzWeatherman]

To be honest, nothing you said is really new to me. Contrails and cloud seeding have been around along time. Images tell me everything I need to know for now.

A contrail, which I have imaged extensively, always leaves. Ive never seen one disperse and spread out to form a cloud like substance.

The chemtrails I have shot, also extensively alwasy remain for hours and disperse into clouds. More of a milky haze.


To be honest, I dont really feel the need to prove anything to anyone. I know what I see, and what I dont see. I spend all day imaging the sky and I know the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail.

Chemicals being sprayed are very much different than exhaust, even at 30K + ft.

Today for example was cloudless up until about 7am. Then the spraying started. Around 9-10am the sky was covered in milky white foggy haze. Now Im sorry, but any one of my kids, all under 6, could see it wasnt natural.


someone posted a snipet from an article from 1970... I guess thats about as current as we can get when someone debunks something...

Come on... If thats the case, how about US Patent # 5 003 186 filled on March 26, 1991...

Its titled 'Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming.'


now in this 6 page patent, guess what is proposed... Spraying metal particles into the sky to reflect the greenhouse gas and lower our heat...


By adding this to the fuel of jetliners...

Ill believe my own eyes any day of the week thank you.

To the OP: No those are pictures of CONtrails. Unless you went and got a sample up there in the air went to a legit lab and got a proper analysis, the most logical explanation is they are CONtrails.