reply to post by nine-eyed-eel
Now we come to maybe a congruence between the AHS personage sequence and the traditional tarot-card/Tetragrammaton-YHVH archetypes (though it's off
because the sexual polarity is reversed, right down to the twins being "stubborn older sister"+ "intelligent younger brother" (I'm not saying
that any of this is correct symbolic analysis, obviously...I'm just having fun, throwing spaghetti at the wall and thinking out loud)). In the tarot
pack you have, in the face cards, King-Queen-Prince-Princess (there's all kinds of other variations/corruptions as well, like
Knight-Queen-Prince-Page, etc. etc. - arbitrarily in passing here I'm going to call King-Queen-Prince-Princess the most basic and correct (we can
argue about that later, hee-hee)) which matches up with the school of thought that identifies the four letters in the Old Testament God's-name
Y-H-V-H as Father-Mother-Son-Daughter, okay, so there's like a generation gap between the first two terms in the sequences, King+Queen and
Father+Mother, versus Prince+Princess and Son+Daughter...Likewise there's a generation gap between Red First Alice + Blue Second Alice, versus Green
Third Alice (referred to as "a young girl", and she looks smaller) and the Yellow-Fourth-Alice-Twins...So what?...It's just a thought...
Also the tarot/YHVH sequence is usually seen as representing a decline, a decay from the better progenitors to the weak and degraded progeny,
Golden-Age-to-Kali-Yuga type of concept...Likewise the AHS characters get sucked further and further in to their evil dream world as the character
sequence plays out, perhaps, the first two do seem to accomplish less in the dream world than does the third, who hangs out in buildings, built a
castle, the text says she ruled the country, and then the fourth-Alice-twins are said to go through many doors, to be " closest to being the true
Alice" but unable to wake from their dream, " they got lost in Wonderland"...So maybe in that sense structurally you could construe the AHS
protagonist roster as being a four-fold declining sequence as well.
Third Alice is a young girl who is marked with the green club. The club in the tarot cards was originally a wand i.e. a stick/branch from a tree, thus
symbolically it could be assigned the color green as being a growing thing (till it got stripped off the tree, obviously). In one of the translations
the club symbol is referred to as a "clover" - I don't know if that's what the suit of clubs gets called in Japanese or not - but either way that
accords with the color green as a growing thing as well. Likewise the three-leafed clover is a basic phallic symbol as well (top leaf penis, side
leaves testicles), as of course is the stick or wand, which goes well with that whole vein of phallic symbols being green things because them green
things grow like the penis grows (and then it's off to the races with The Green Man, springtime, 1000 pages of The Golden Bough
that last "Miku Miku" video above, there's a couple of times where Third Alice together with the shadow of her pigtails on the ground looks like
some weird tree seedpod from some tree I must have lived near once)...
Then we could tease out how the green club is a good symbol of Third Alice's tasks and activity...She is shown inside buildings made of wood (on
steps=growth + advancement), she grows in power the way living things grow in size and structure (= the way buildings are erected), until she runs the
country (like the castle runs the country) ...She is said to have deceived the people, like the way the green happy springtime taste of life deceives
us all, seeming to promise us that pleasure will continue and that death is for other people...the text says she feared her decaying body, which fear
does come suddenly onto exuberant young living things, and then the blackness is shown rising up in her eyes as she rots and dies, like a green thing
when winter comes...All that could be made to fit okay, maybe.
But I run into trouble on the Fourth-Alice-twins...I can see why they are the heart, why the heart is love, but I don't have a strong reason why they
are yellow (just a couple weak ones)... got to read more...is it the brother carrying the sister at the end, is she dead ...plus the crown, the
flowers (First Red Alice strikes flower with her sword = first initial sex big bang original sin that started everything, maybe, but the other flower
bits...?) ...I figure the little Pillsbury-doughboy spirit entity is like the weak gnostic demiurge of the dreamworld, he who first needed/wanted to
pull the Alice-humans into his dream-realm, and then when he appears as the joker on the card invitation to the castle it means he has grown in power
from sucking life-force off the deluded humans and he's ready for his full-on final end-game...
Anyways many of y'all I'm sure can do better than me at this higher bullsplit, as the saying goes...Yes,yes...
[edit on 24-4-2010 by nine-eyed-eel]