It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

The Mysterious Death of Pope John Paul I: the Vatican Conspiracy

page: 2
88
<< 1    3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 06:29 PM
link   
If memory serves me correctly the pope that replaced this one did something interesting in his first week as pope... he repealed the centuries old rule that prohibited catholics from becoming freemasons. Considering that masons generally rise to positions of leadership and authority within the organizations they are in you have to wonder who's god or which god is being served by the vatican now.




posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 06:47 PM
link   
reply to post by internos
 


To think, if your race hadn't been interrupted by the Church, we wouldn't have this wonderful thread to enjoy.



God works in mysterious ways.


The quote from Pope John Paul I in the beginning of the thread, while most would mistake it for an endorsement of Communism, is actually pointing towards a third way, economically speaking.



Private property is not, for no one, neither some inalienable right, nor some absolute one. No one has the prerogative to have the exclusive possession of goods beyond his needs, since there are those starving to death. These are severe words. In the light of them, not just financier but everyone, especially us, within the Church should ask to ourselves: "did we fulfil the task that Jesus Christ assigned to us when he said: Love Your Neighbour as Yourself?


What the Pope was referring to was a little known economic system based upon Catholic social teachings called Distributism which is based upon spreading OWNERSHIP of property as widely as possible, so that each person has enough to sustain themselves independently.



Distributism

Distributism, also known as distributionism and distributivism, is a third-way economic philosophy formulated by such Catholic thinkers as G. K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc to apply the principles of Catholic Social Teaching articulated by the Catholic Church, especially in Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum and more expansively explained by Pope Pius XI's encyclical Quadragesimo Anno According to distributism, the ownership of the means of production should be spread as widely as possible among the general populace, rather than being centralized under the control of the state (state socialism) or a few large businesses or wealthy private individuals (plutarchic capitalism). A summary of distributism is found in Chesterton's statement: "Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists."

Essentially, distributism distinguishes itself by its distribution of property (not to be confused with redistribution of capital that would be carried out by most socialist plans of governance). While socialism allows no individuals to own productive property (it all being under state, community, or workers' control), and capitalism allows only a few to own it, distributism itself seeks to ensure that most people will become owners of productive property. As Hilaire Belloc stated, the distributive state (that is, the state which has implemented distributism) contains "an agglomeration of families of varying wealth, but by far the greater number of owners of the means of production." This broader distribution does not extend to all property, but only to productive property; that is, that property which produces wealth, namely, the things needed for man to survive. It includes land, tools, etc.

Distributism has often been described as a third way of economic order opposing both socialism and capitalism. Some have seen it more as an aspiration, which has been successfully realised in the short term by commitment to the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity (these being built into financially independent local co-operatives and family owned, small businesses), though proponents also cite such periods as the Middle Ages as examples of the historical long-term viability of distributism.

Read more: Wickipedia



[edit on 3/31/10 by FortAnthem]



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 06:58 PM
link   
reply to post by internos
 


Nicely done with this thread internos. John Paul I was a throw-back that got elected. He was a good man that slipped through the election process. He threatened to properly divest the enormous wealth accumulated by the Church over the centuries. That did not sit well with those truly in charge.

This noble priest's questionable death along with the replacement of Paul VI by a look-alike, the blind veneration of a delusional nun punishing rather than healing those in her care, the ongoing pedophile crisis and cover-up, the ham-fisted leadership and caustic presence of the former Hitler Youth, Ratzinger, has done permanent damage to the one time largest corporation in the world. And as Martha Stewart might say: "And that's a good thing!" No, you have not offended this former Catholic.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 07:15 PM
link   
Great thread.OP! I have 2 paperbacks and the hard cover of In God's Name it makes a great intro for Vatican politics I have always thought JPI was murdered by the transnational financier cabal the Curia did nothing because he was far to radical in their view.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 07:33 PM
link   

Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by internos
 



along with the replacement of Paul VI by a look-alike,


Whoa!!


That's a new one for me.

Please provide a link or something on that one.



[edit on 3/31/10 by FortAnthem]



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 07:59 PM
link   

Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by internos
 


blind veneration of a delusional nun punishing rather than healing those in her care


This is a new one on me also, but it has been a while since I followed the happenings in and around the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church.

Excellent job on the OP. Star and Flag for sure. And no, you didn't offend me either. But then I am a recovering Catholic who hasn't had the urge to go to Mass or Confession since 1964..LOL

[edit on 31-3-2010 by Tholidor]



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 08:30 PM
link   
As someone else posted the fact that he was trying to expose certain Masonic cabal that had infiltrated the Vatican and that he died 33 after being chosen as pope seems a bit strange. I know it could just be coincidence. But if you did belong to a cult of numerlogist and other forms of esoteric beliefs wouldn't that show in your actions? If such an organization does in fact exist woulnt it be logical to assume that they also believe emphatically in that reality and as such would be confined to the rules of such reality. So as much as they would have wanted to do away with him they might have had to wait for the right moment. Just an idea anyway.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 08:31 PM
link   
The smoke of Satan has indeed entered into the Vatican. That's why we never got the true 3rd Secret of Fatima. LOL...often it's when things become personal that I too have found the best (or the worst?ha) brought out in me. I hope you found out the details of the game later. They should know that interrupting people's TV shows isn't the best way to find and recruit converts... hehe. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that Cardinal was behind it, after all it was HIS job that would be on the line and he wouldn't be the only one who had an interest in making this Pope go to sleep forever. There were a bunch of people who were about to be investigated for money laundering. What sucks is that, they started the money laundering in WW2 because they were actually desperate to keep things going and then once the money was coming in, I guess they never wanted to bother to stop it after things got going back to normal again. I assume they found that, with extra funds that would otherwise be going into the pockets of "criminals", they found themselves able to spread "the word of God" more efficiently and more effectively. And if a bunch of pedo priests got spread around WITH the word, and if the Church had to occasionally deal with mafioso who would eventually gain enough material to be able to blackmail the church, and in effect have some control over the Church, so be it... There's a pretty interesting movie about it with Christopher Reeve. I'm pretty sure the movie is fiction, but it's not too hard to use your imagination as to what probably really went on and I would imagine it's not too much different from the movie. In fact, I think the movie sugar coats how it REALLY is inside the Vatican.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 08:51 PM
link   

Originally posted by FortAnthem

Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by internos
 


along with the replacement of Paul VI by a look-alike,


Whoa!!


That's a new one for me.

Please provide a link or something on that one.



Sorry to startle you FA! That's a relatively old conspiracy and likely has not been brought up for some time and thus you have not run across it. Below are a couple of well known links/articles regarding the "Impostor Pope".

These first 3 from These Last Days Ministries.org

The Deception of the Century

On that site see also:

#49 - POPE PAUL VI

#50 - THE IMPOSTOR POPE

Pope Paul IV's plea for help:


On June 29, 1972, Pope Paul VI stunned the world with the words: "From some fissure the smoke of satan entered into the temple of God." - from the tldm.org website


Much of the same information is also on this site:

THE IMPOSTER POPE

On YouTube you can find a huge selection of video representations of the Pope Paul IV story. You can start by searching under: NEW WORLD ORDER. THE DEVIL IN THE VATICAN!! pt2 The Impostor Pope.

The following excerpted from page 159 of The Heresies of Paul VI.pdf


In the Apocalypse, chapters 17 and 18, there is predicted that a whore will arise in the last days from the city of seven hills, which is Rome. This whore will tread upon the blood of the martyrs and saints. This whore is clearly contrasted with the immaculate bride of Christ, the Catholic Church. In other words, the whore of Babylon will be a false church from Rome that will appear in the last days. Near the end of this book we bring forward the evidence that the Whore of Babylon is the Vatican II sect, a false bride which arises in Rome in the last days in order to deceive the Catholic Faithful.

In her appearance at La Salette, France, Sept. 19, 1846, the Blessed Mother predicted: “Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Anti-Christ… the Church will be in eclipse.”

In the following quote, Antipope Paul VI essentially admits that his new Church is this false Church by admitting that his “Church” has thrown off its opposition to the world, which characterizes the true Church.

Paul VI, General Audience, Oct. 1, 1969: “On the other hand, She [the Church] is also trying to adapt herself and assimilate herself to the world’s ways; She is taking off her distinctive sacral garment, for She wants to feel more human and earthly. “She is tending to let herself be absorbed by the social and temporal milieu. She has almost been seized by human respect at the thought that She is different in some way and obliged to have a style of thought and life which is not that of the world. She is undergoing the world’s changes and degradations with conformist, almost avantegarde zeal.”

Here Paul VI admits that the post-Vatican II Church is a false Church which has adapted itself to the world and assimilated the world’s ways with zeal. This is a stunning admission by Paul VI. He is admitting in so many words that the post-Vatican II Church is the Whore of Babylon.


That pdf is published by www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com a group of Traditionalist Catholics or Sedevacantists. These Catholics believe that the Holy See has been vacant since the Second Vatican Council and that the Church that had emerged from the Second Vatican Council was no longer Catholic.

Sorry to possibly spoil your Easter week FortAnthem. Make your own judgment on this, it is after all material published on the Internet. This information and more certainly shook me out of 50 years of Catholic indoctrination a couple years back.

Peace be with you.

[edit on 31-3-2010 by Hemisphere]

[edit on 31-3-2010 by Hemisphere]



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 09:22 PM
link   

Originally posted by Tholidor

Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by internos
 


blind veneration of a delusional nun punishing rather than healing those in her care


This is a new one on me also, but it has been a while since I followed the happenings in and around the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church.



Hi Tholidor!

Despite your not following the Church for many decades I'm sure you are at least superficially familiar with the legendary "Mother Teresa".

The following excerpt "about the book" from the publisher (Meteor Books) of the book Mother Teresa The Final Verdict written by Aroup Chatterjee, a Bengali Indian.


Does Mother Teresa deserve her reputation as the kindest, purest person of all time, or was she history's most over-rated phenomenon?

Media built her up no doubt, but the author alleges that that she herself was the source of much of the misinformation surrounding her. He documents that Mother Teresa used spurious statistics and made exaggerated and unfounded claims throughout her life, including in her Nobel Prize acceptance speech.

An entrenched hatred of artificial contraception and abortion (for any reason, including rape, child-abuse and incest) was her psychological driving force. She used the poor as pawns in her ambition, much of it being political, and driven by the Vatican. She has been called a lover of poverty, rather than the poor. She glorified poverty and suffering, but for others. She herself received the best medical care possible; in Calcutta she used the exclusive Woodlands Clinic and Birla Heart Institute. But residents at her home for the dying in Calcutta received neither treatment nor dignity.

Mother Teresa maintained an obsessive secrecy about her accounts and declined to publish them, possibly because most of her money was spent on religious rather than charitable activities. She wrote a letter to an American judge to exonerate Charles Keating, the biggest documented fraudster in US history. Keating gave her millions and also lent her his private jet.


The following an article summing up many of the points that were raised indicating that she had questioned if not lost her faith:

Mother Teresa: Dark Nights

And the following by By Greg Szymanski – Arctic Beacon June 6, 2007:

Former Catholic Sister Says Even Mother Teresa Is a Fraud

No, it is not at all a pleasant topic to delve into. Much more can be found on this subject.

Peace.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 10:12 PM
link   
Yes this is a win thread for sure! GJ. Best topic of the week.

When it comes to researching conspiracies and other maladies, I have come to realize that the Vatican is one of the deepest and most complex conspiracies of them all.

You could write a library of books on this, and still barely scratch the surface that is the Vatican's History. Consider the fact the Vatican's collection of books is so vast, that it is only rivaled by the Library of Congress's collections.

I personally think that Pope JP 1 was going to expose them as well.

I also think, there is a VERY GOOD CHANCE, that the Black Pope was behind it. The leader of the order of Jesuits.

Type in Black Pope here at ATS search, and you will find TONS of incredibly good research out there.

That is just whom my first obvious suspect would be, the Black Pope, since many rumors attest that the Black Pope actually wields far more power than the Pope does.

All of these things add up.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 10:34 PM
link   
reply to post by internos
 
Internos this is a really meaningful fascinating mystery. I had read Malachi Martin's "Windswept House" in which he discusses black masses, pedophilia, satanism and the murder of the pope. Ancient Rome has never died; it now resurrected in the souls of its decadent new inhabitants of the Vatican. Evil seems to be spawning world wide; it is truly ominous.



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 10:44 PM
link   
reply to post by Hemisphere
 


I knew someone who was a nun who worked with mother Teresa...she eventually left the convent, saying life with and around Mother Teresa was "hell" she said she was a fraud, and plain mean spirited, psychologically unsound (obscessive)

I believe in her writings mother Theresa said she had the most difficulty even believing in god ...no problem there, EXCEPT that she pretended to be pious



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 10:49 PM
link   
Wow that was fantastic internos. What I never got was how he could take the Holy See in the first place if he was so reformative... they had to have known he would try to bring change by his personality at least.

As well as you brought up the question why have the Nazi Pope documenter do the investigation.

And then if they DID elect him just to know and kill him AND have it found out eventually what purpose does it serve? Is it to serve as a seed for the future so that when they DO need to destroy the Vatican (as in prophecy) that they can use it as evidence against?!

Killing him 33 days would be so significant to the Freemasons I still dont understand the true value of the number but have been researching since I started seeing it and it is (in traditional numerology) linked to both my names and my birthday (as in they add up to 33).
In this case it seems like a sacrifice, like a mockery of Jesus (said to have died at 33), is it possible killing him 33 days after is an anti-Christ ritual of sorts...?



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 12:41 AM
link   

Originally posted by Portugoal
Very interestingly put together.

But look on the bright side. The faster the Vatican is infiltrated by the Devil = the faster God comes to save us good-doers.


Agreed. I was raised catholic myself. I truly only saw nothing but good people, well on the outside. Who knows what they were doing when us students weren't there but I honestly believe they were good people. I was never touched inappropriately or any of that stuff that's so commonly associated with catholic priest now a days. The reason I've strayed far from the church is because of things like this that are just too hard to ignore. I can't sit by and be part of a church that condones these actions. I can worship on my own thank you very much. I've become pretty agnostic though for the simple reason that the Bible has been manipulated so many times throughout history that you just don't know what to believe anymore. Anyway, I hope that one day the people responsible are brought to justice, if they are still alive that is. If not, I'm sure they're paying their dues in some steamin inferno or they've become slaves in their next lives. Silly people, don't you know that we can't keep any of the earthly riches we acquire? The only thing that carries with us is our soul and our deeds and those deeds do not go unpunished.



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 12:52 AM
link   
That's more or less what I have put together in my own mind as well.

There's another piece you might look into.
Rat Slinger expected to be named the next pope, but due to the circumstances of the death and the timing it seemed unseemly to the other cardinals, I suppose, so we had Pope John Paul II. Notice the name, he obviously had some reverence for the I.

Now, there's something about that 3rd Fatima prophesy. I think he suspected some foul play and when he was nearly shot, as I understand it, he moved the statue of The lady of Fatima to his private chamber and credited her with saving his life.

I think he knew the prophesy was about Satan entering the church, perhaps causing the fall of the church - and that he saw her requests as a way to avoid that fate - I think he constantly sought to fulfill her request - that a lot of his references and actions were not ONLY because he credited her with saving his life, but that perhaps that bullet opened his eyes, and that he knew he was in the midst of it, and was trying to save the church.

JMO.

And he- a good man - dies, and now we have Rat Slinger in his red Gucci shoes looking all Uncle Fester.



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 01:52 AM
link   
This is so strange to come across this thread. I have never read or studied anything about the church so when I saw your thread I thought WOW.....I was looking thru some you tube videos on Illuminati tonight and it took me in this direction, to the Vatigan and all of the mysterious goings on there. I learned some things I didn't know about the church, and maybe they will be just as surprising to you.

The videos I saw were saying that it's the Jusuits who are above the illuminati, that the illuminati work for them, they are the most evil people/group, whatever you call them. I found it fascinating and I'm going to link you to the videos I saw.

www.youtube.com...

This was written by anonymoustruther who also posted the video.

AnonymousTruther — June 18, 2009 — "Why would the Jesuits use their implacable enemy, the Jews, to further their designs for world dominion? The Jesuits never do anything out in the open where they can be exposed. If they are recognized as the culprits, they will be blamed and suffer the consequences, but if they can use someone else as the cause of the worlds problems, especially an enemy they can destroy in the process, then they have simultaneously accomplished two of their objectives. The Jewish people are the perfect scapegoat. Since the Rothschilds are Jesuit agents operating under a Jewish cover, using them [i.e., the Rothschilds] in forming the Illuminati back in 1776 effectively throws the onus of this conspiracy on the Jews. The Rothschilds are certainly not the only Jesuit agents that operate under a Jewish front."

- The following sources [Ed. Note: Bill Hughes lists a number of books in later paragraphs] indicate that [Jesuit] Adam Weishaupt and the Rothschilds were the brains and the wealth behind the French Revolution.
~ Bill Hughes (From his book The Enemy Unmasked)

video from: www.youtube.com...

Here is another video:

www.youtube.com...

And this is what the poster had to say:

AnonymousTruther — June 18, 2009 — These are some of the main men and women who have played a really important role in building up the future of this world the coming world government, world currency and world religion, know your enemies.
Other men that contributed to this ancient evil cause are:

Arthur Edward Waite
Dr. Wynn Westcott
S. L. MacGregor Mathers
Dr. Gérard Encausse
Dr. Theodor Reuss
George Pickingill
Tho I can be days typing the names of all the men and woman that have and are working for this cause, in the end they are slaves not masters, their master is Satan and their cause is Evil

video from: www.youtube.com...

This short clip is about a man they call the "Black Pope", the most powerful man in the world.

www.youtube.com...

v=IZhxMMr2z4k&feature=relatedAnonymousTruther — March 04, 2009 — Black Pope Adolfo Nicolas, Superior General of the Society of Jesus Diabolical Plan for a New World Order.

1. The Superior General of the Jesuits The Black Pope, Adolfo Nicolas and his 6 generals control the "White Pope" Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican.
2. The Illuminati, Zionists,globalist Elites, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg group, Freemasons, Council of 300 and the evil Council of Trent.
3. The Jesuits control the Knights Templar, Knights of Columbus and the Knights of Malta.
4. The CIA, FBI, NSA, ASIO, MI5, MI6, NCIS, FSB, DGSE, Mossad and every intelligence agency in the world are masonic and controlled by the Jesuits.
5. The Jesuits have infiltrated all governments & Leaders like Obama, Rudd, Blair, Jintao, Sarkozy, Peres are only puppets that carry out Jesuit orders.

The"NEW WORLD ORDER" is the GLOBAL TOTALITARIANISM dream that a BANKER called Mayer Amschel Rothschild, helped revive in 1760's to protect his private bank from global government regulation.



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 02:04 AM
link   
(CONT)

His grand blue print is best described by his paid social engineer called Dr. Adam [Spartacus] Weishaupt, Professor of Canon Law in the university of Ingolstadt. Weishaupt adopted the term "Illuminati." This nightmare is still sought after today by their family's decedents. Below is the 'outline' Weishaupt set out for his banker financier master! Carefully notice the similarities between Karl Marx's 10 Plank's of his Communist Manifesto and Weishaupt's outline. Also, please read Communism & The New World Order.

The blue print for the NWO is:
* Abolition of all ordered governments
* Abolition of private property
* Abolition of inheritance
* Abolition of patriotism
* Abolition of the family
* Abolition of religion
* A global population of 500 million
* Creation of a world government


Mayer Amschel Rothschild 1828 "Allow me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who writes the laws." [Even a 4 year old can understand that people with control of money...write the laws!]

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson

So who is this subtle, complete organized power that Wilson is talking about? The answer to that my friends is the Jesuits.
Who are the Jesuits you may ask? Arent they just missionaries, priests and general do-gooders who establish schools, universities and pride themselves in being pillars in the community? If so, then why was The Jesuit Order abolished in over 80 countries in 1773? J.E.C. Shepherd states that "Between 1555 and 1931 the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuit Order] was expelled from at least 83 countries, city states and cities, for engaging in political intrigue and subversion plots against the welfare of the State, according to the records of a Jesuit priest of repute [Thomas J. Campbell]. Practically every instance of expulsion was for political intrigue, political infiltration, political subversion, and inciting to political insurrection." They are overlords of chaos. In a nut shell the Jesuits are Warlords, Assassins, Teachers, Infiltrators, Tyrants. They tried their hand at global domination with the "League of Nations" but it failed, now they are trying again, under a new name...The United Nations, and its about to work!

What people are not understanding is that the Jesuits command the White Pope and the Vatican City, Obama /Bush's/ Clinton's / Blair's / Peres/ Rudd / Jintao / Sarkozy / Medvedev (and frankly every government on earth) including the the evil Council of Trent, CFR, Illuminati, the Zionists, the Bilderberg group, the Freemasons, the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Columbus, the Knights Templar, Council of 300, and every intelligence organization in the world all have ties to the Jesuit Order and more specifically, the Superior General of the Jesuits known as The Black Pope Adolfo Nicolas who as of January the 19th, 2008 succeeded Peter-Hans Kolvenbach as the 30th Superior General of the Jesuit Order.


wikicompany.org...:Vatic...
wikicompany.org...:Milit...
wikicompany.org...
ilgr...
wikicompany.org...
ilgr...
www.spirituallysmart.com...
www.thewatcherfiles.com...
www.reformation.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
continuingcounterreformation.b......

There are more videos on the site that you can check out.

There is also another group that I found that is fairly new and very sinister, they are called CommonPurpose

www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 02:38 AM
link   
my very first star! Well done article! shame no one really investigated it like it should've been.. i suppose there is no justice for the holy either



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 03:36 AM
link   
grat thread, describes very well the mud in wich italy swims.



new topics

top topics



 
88
<< 1    3  4 >>

log in

join