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The smoke of Satan has indeed entered into the Vatican
Whether or not satan is an actual being is entirely irrelevant.
Originally posted by piedsniper
reply to post by doctor j and inmate c5779
The smoke of Satan has indeed entered into the Vatican
You do realize of course that Satan is a completely fictitious character that was invented by this organization in order control and obtain wealth .
Seems to have worked pretty damned well so far
Zealotry was originally a political movement in first century Judaism which sought to incite the people of Iudaea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from the holy land by force of arms, most notably during the Great Jewish Revolt (AD 66-70). Zealotry was described by Josephus as one of the "four sects" at this time.
Thats a really good point.
The quote from Pope John Paul I in the beginning of the thread, while most would mistake it for an endorsement of Communism, is actually pointing towards a third way, economically speaking.
Titus Flavius Josephus was a Jewish scholar that defected to the Roman side and was adopted by Caesar. He wrote the history of the Roman destruction of the Temple. He likely also authored the New Testament at the request of the Roman court. He had full knowledge of the Jewish holy books and the messianic prophesies and could tie all the loose ends into a book(s) of subliminal rules for the subjects of the Roman Empire to obey.
Originally posted by NoahTheSumerian
reply to post by piedsniper
Anyway - ignoring PiedSniper completely for a moment (trolling if ever I saw it),
Fair enough - before I came back to this I'd already figured I should apologise to PiedSniper.. I realise that opinion is entirely subjective, as is experience, so I retract my mean-spirited jibe.
Q: Do you remember Luciani’s reaction to his election?
A: LORSCHEIDER: From the position where I was I could see him in the face ... Luciani became pale and to the usual question addressed to him by Cardinal Villot (note: the question was, in Latin: "Acceptasne electionem de te canonice factam in Summum Pontificem? -Do you accept your canonical election as Supreme Pontiff?) in a faint voice he answered: "I accept."
When we went on to pay tribute to him, he kept saying repeatedly,. Someone told him "Holy Father, be strong: God won’t forsake you." Then he said:
What have you done? May God forgive you for what you didAlso, on August 30, during the first audience with the cardinal said:
I'm a poor Pope..
I hope you all Cardinals will help this poor Christ, the Vicar of Christ, to carry the cross.
The manner in which he spoke these words impressed me very much. It was the Pope, talking like that. His humble humanity was not a facade. He was sincerely humble, that only comes from consciousness to be poor sinners and from the experience of forgiveness.
Before the election:
Sin: " Eminence, where is the toilet ? ".
Luciani: " I don't know".
Sin: " But you will know soon because you are going to be the owner of this house ".
Luciani:" Are you a prophet? ".
After the election, John Paul I said to Sin: - " You, Eminence, have been a prophet but my Pontificate will be brief ".
The Pope's startling predictions began almost immediately after he became pontiff in August 1978 when he received an invitation to visit Mexico.
"At the very first general audience, when Pope John Paul I received from Mexican journalists a facsimile of an air ticket inviting him to go to Mexico for the conferences of South America in Pueblo, Mexico.
"He took the ticket, handed it to me and thanked them. On our way back to the Papal apartment he asked me 'Could you give me that ticket?' And I said: 'It's not a ticket, Holy Father.'
"He said: 'It doesn't matter, I just want to see it.' So he looked at it and then he handed it back to me and he said: 'I will not make any visits outside of Rome. And I want you to give this ticket to my successor. He will go to Puebla'.
"The meeting in Puebla was in February 1979 which was only a few months later and he was giving me that ticket and told me to hold onto it.
"And in fact, I gave it to John Paul II and I accompanied John Paul II to Puebla in Mexico in February 1979, which is a clear indication."
Bishop Magee said: "Two nights before he died I was sitting alone with him at dinner and he started to talk about the fact there were others in the conclave that he thought would have made a very good Pope.
"And I kept saying: 'Well you're doing fine Holy Father. The Holy Spirit doesn't make any mistakes.' And he said: 'Oh I know that but right in front of me was one that Paul VI had indicated'.
"Now he had judged that because Paul VI had called Cardinal Roydiva in 1976 to preach the retreat to the Roman Curia and to the Pope in the first week of Lent. And so that was considered by many as an indication that Paul VI was presenting him as a candidate."
Then John Paul I told him: "He will come where I am."
Bishop Magee never asked John Paul I who was sitting opposite him at the conclave. And when he died and John Paul II was elected, he never asked the new Pope where he was sitting either.
The bishop said: "Four years later when John Paul II appointed me as Master of Ceremonies, I went to the ceremonial office and I went on a tour of it.
"I found a cupboard with the name of the conclaves of '78 on it. I asked for the key. When I opened it and took out the seating positions in the Sistine Chapel during each of the conclaves, I saw that sitting right opposite Cardinal Luciani - John Paul I - was Cardinal Wojtyla."
He had correctly predicted that the Polish cardinal he called "the foreigner" would be the next pontiff. And the next day, when Bishop Magee told John Paul II the story of what happened, all the Pope would to him was: "Well, John Paul I was a very holy man."