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Due to Split Loyalties Should Americans with Dual Citizenship be Barred From Holding Public Office?

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posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 10:36 PM
In theory, due to the effect(s) of split loyalty, dual citizenship can be problematic to a nation's national security.

Has the large number of Americans with dual U.S./Israeli citizenship bent U.S. foreign policy more in sync with Israeli foreign policy?

Has the large number of Americans with dual U.S./Israeli citizenship affected U.S. domestic policy?

"Dual Citizenship- How Israeli citizens are running America"

Oct. 5, 2008

[The list that follows was compiled BEFORE Obama formed HIS cabinet and filled other important administration positions.]

There is a lengthy list of people in key defense positions that still maintain their loyalty and citizenship to Israel. Seeing as how that the small mid-eastern country has only existed for 60 years, it is quiet impressive how many are here:

Michael Mukasey
Recently appointed as US Attorney General. Mukasey also was the judge in the litigation between developer Larry Silverstein and several insurance companies arising from the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001.

Michael Chertoff
Former Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department; now head of Homeland Security.

Richard Perle
One of Bush's foreign policy advisors, he is the chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. A very likely Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam. Perle came from one the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktanks, the AEI. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration and now in the media.

Paul Wolfowitz
Former Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle's Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz came from the above mentioned Jewish thinktank, JINSA. Wolfowitz was the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering. He later was appointed head of the World Bank but resigned under pressure from World Bank members over a scandal involving his misuse of power.

Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
The former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst with expertise in Iranian policy issues who worked in the office of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and reported directly to Feith's deputy, William Luti, was sentenced January 20, 2006, "to more than 12 years in prison for giving classified information to an Israeli diplomat" and members of the pro-Israel lobbying group American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Franklin will "remain free while the government continues with the wider case" and his "prison time could be sharply reduced in return for his help in prosecuting" former AIPAC members Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, [who] are scheduled to go on trial in April [2006]. Franklin admitted that he met periodically with Rosen and Weissman between 2002 and 2004 and discussed classified information, including information about potential attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq. Rosen and Weissman would later share what they learned with reporters and Israeli officials." (source:

Douglas Feith
Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine. Feith also came from the Jewish thinktank JINSA. Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this Israeli proxy war against Iraq.

Feith was investigated by the FBI under suspicion of leaking classified information to Israel, being that he was Larry Franklin's boss when Franklin leaked those documents to Rosen and Weissman of AIPAC. For that he was forced to leave the National Security Council. Feith was also investigated by the Senate Intelligence Committee for sexing up 'intelligence' that was used to justify invading Iraq.

Edward Luttwak
Member of the National Security Study Group of the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq and Iran.

Henry Kissinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger likely had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos), Installing Chilean mass murdering dictator Pinochet, Operation Condor's mass killings in South America, and more recently served as Serbia's Ex-Dictator Slobodan Milosevic's Advisor. He consistently advocated going to war against Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S. Unfortunately, President Bush nominated Kissinger as chairman of the September 11 investigating commission. It's like picking a bank robber to investigate a fraud scandal. He later declined this job under enormous protests.

Dov Zakheim
Dov Zakheim is an ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim attended Jew's College in London and became an ordained Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York's Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.

Dov Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co-author of the Project for the New American Century's position paper, Rebuilding America's Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations.

He was appointed by Bush as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books. That story, as mentioned, was buried under 9-11's rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim's watch. We can only guess where that cash went.

Despite these suspicions, on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense.

Judicial Inc's bio of Dov tells us Zakheim is a dual Israeli/American citizen and has been tracking the halls of US government for 25 years, casting defense policy and influence on Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Judicial Inc points out that most of Israel's armaments were gotten thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.

Kenneth Adelman
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his racism or ignorance, he actually called Arabs "anti-Semitic" on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by definition are Semites.
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Vice President whatchamacallit Cheney's ex-Chief of Staff. As chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iran. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Marc Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president. Libby was recently found guilty of lying to Federal investigators in the Valerie Plame affair, in which Plame, a covert CIA agent, was exposed for political revenge by the Bush administration following her husband's revelations about the lies leading to the Iraq War.

Robert Satloff
U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Elliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

Marc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocated going to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iran.

Ari Fleischer
Ex- White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.

James Schlesinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

David Frum
White House speechwriter behind the "Axis of Evil" label. He lumped together all the lies and accusations against Iraq for Bush to justify the war.

Joshua Bolten
White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Bolten was previously a banker, former legislative aide, and prominent in the Jewish community.

John Bolton
Former UN Representative and Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Bolton is also a Senior Advisor to President Bush. Prior to this position, Bolton was Senior Vice President of the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktank, AEI. He recently (October 2002) accused Syria of having a nuclear program, so that they can attack Syria after Iraq. He must have forgotten that Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, some of which are thermonuclear weapons (according to a recent U.S. Air Force report).

David Wurmser
Special Assistant to John Bolton (above), the under-secretary for arms control and international security. Wurmser also worked at the AEI with Perle and Bolton. His wife, Meyrav Wurmser, along with Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence, co-founded the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri),a Washington-based Israeli outfit which distributes articles translated from Arabic newspapers portraying Arabs in a bad light.

Eliot Cohen
Member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. Like Adelman, he often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. More recently, he wrote an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal openly admitting his rascist hatred of Islam claiming that Islam should be the enemy, not terrorism.

Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also served as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary.

Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs.

Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Daniel Kurtzer
Ambassador to Israel.

Cliff Sobel
Ambassador to the Netherlands.

Stuart Bernstein
Ambassador to Denmark.

Nancy Brinker
Ambassador to Hungary

Frank Lavin
Ambassador to Singapore.

Ron Weiser
Ambassador to Slovakia.

Mel Sembler
Ambassador to Italy.

Martin Silverstein
Ambassador to Uruguay.

Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.

Jay Lefkowitz
Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Ken Melman
White House Political Director.

Brad Blakeman
White House Director of Scheduling

posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 11:07 PM
this question is a no brainer. yes they should not be able to hold public office. This leads to potential infiltration, leaks, and decisions that are not in the best interest of America. As history has proven issues with dual citizenship have not worked out in Americas best interest.

posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 11:26 PM
I would have to agree that americans with dual-citizenship should not be allowed to run for public office. However I also concede there is no way in hell that a law will ever forbid dual citizens from running and if it did there would still be no way to determine loyalty in a court. It is already much too late to change the way things are going unless the government really falls apart and the SHTF.

posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 11:28 PM
Any man that tries to keep two wives will quickly tell you that no wife will allow another mistress or woman to take her man.

As such anyone loyal to both is in affect stating he is incapable of a monogamous marriage and as such anything said to one is in question because how can anyone be loyal to two separate masters? They cant and once you begin lying about one or the other, at that moment you have negated yourself as being loyal to American values and what is important to America first.

To act as if the other wife in Israel is an equal is what leads many woman to conclude that if you cant be true to one then you will never be loyal to two.

This fact alone is enough to justify barring those that want to maintain a dual citizenship from holding political office. There are many branches of government where dual citizens could work but more importantly the intelligence communities is where I would bar dual citizens with no exceptions whatsoever.

To allow Israelis to continue doing what they feel is their right will only bring the Muslims and others that will expect the same and in doing so, will undermine what is in Americas best interests.

No amount of trust or confidence could ever be believed in someone who has two wives. Such types are always trying to appease who they are with, but if such a type is not loyal to one, how can such a dual type citizen be loyal to two wives?

If such a loyalty exists in secret for one but not the other, then one wife is living a lie while the other enjoys the man she knows loves her. Such a secret lie should not be allowed to exist and anything to prevent more of this dual citizenship madness would be greatly appreciated.

Anyway that's how I see it. Thanks for the posting.

posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 11:37 PM
reply to post by biochemky

It's a sensible precaution. The Constitution demands that the President be born a citizen. I think that an amendment requiring that any office holder, cabinet member, staffer above a GS-9 grade be a citizen ONLY of the United States would be fitting. It would be a comfort to me knowing that loyalty to our nation for folks in powerful government positions be to US. How about prohibiting non-American lobbyists from being on the Hill or in the White House (except for social functions)?
Why not?

Out of curiosity, are there any non-Israeli dual citizenship sorts in these roles?

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:20 AM
Yes, on taking office a politician or senior public servant should by law have to renounce all foreign citizenship, become a US citizen (if he/she is not already) and swear a special oath of loyalty.

Likewise, memberships to secret societies can also create serious conflicts of loyalty, and in many ways can be even more threatening than foreign citizenship.

There is zero chance of any of this ever happening.

[edit on 28/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:36 AM
This is a great thread, so you get a star from me. I don't know why this thread hasn't gotten more stars while the 'were we created by reptilians' made the front page.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:38 AM
Every single one of them should be deported.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:40 AM
reply to post by biochemky

I am curious as to why you are focusing on US/Israeli dual citizenship only?
Why are they being singled out?

[edit on 28-3-2010 by haterproof]

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:49 AM

Originally posted by haterproof
reply to post by biochemky

I am curious as to why you are focusing on US/Israeli dual citizenship only?
Why are they being singled out?

[edit on 28-3-2010 by haterproof]

Because they are the ones who keep trying to change America from the inside. Sure the Chinese spy on us too, but they are an external threat. Dual citizen Israelis inside of America pose the greatest threat.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:03 AM
S & F

I agree with all the comments in favour of expelling dual-citenship-holding office-holders

and with those who believe anyone seeking office at any level of US politics be required to surrender dual-citizenship

But most of all, I believe all Israelis should be booted from holding any public office in the US or in any other nation

See 'Jews At the Steering Wheel'

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:19 AM
reply to post by biochemky

Well it really depends. Dual citizenship can come about in many ways for different countries. For countries like China you cannot have dual citizenship and chinese children born abroad are stripped of any citizenship in china. For children born say here in the US with a parent of british citizenship, it is passed on automatically in fact until the child becomes an adult to which he or she will lose it. We can account for millions of American born citizens who because of foreign laws and loopholes, they hold dual citizenship and many may not even know it. It is not fair in my opinion to bar these people from public office because of their parent and their decisions. They cannot control foreign laws and those foreign laws often have little to no relevance to US laws. So we cannot go about excluding people just because of their ancesteral heritage. Lets not also forget that some of our previous presidents including president Chester Arthur held dual citizenship as the result of his father being Irish born. Obama at current, being american born, held british citizenship until the age of 21. This does not mean his 'loyalties' are under question because his inheritance was circumstancial, not his own, just as president Arthur.

So if we are talking about native born citizens with a parent of foreign citizenship, we are applying so many loopholes and circumstances that can verywell span millions of natural born americans and therefor we should not automatically disqualify these people. As for those who were born in other nations, or for those who applied dual citizenship then I have to agree.

[edit on 28-3-2010 by Southern Guardian]

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:42 AM
I had dual citizenship until I turned 22 (Danish law is funny). I'm an American, I will always recognize myself as such. If there were a law stating I had to solely be an American and I had to renounce my Danish citizenship I would've gladly done so. This is my country and my home. I don't intend to run for public office but I do agree that some legislation should be enacted or maybe on a federal level (not a state/local level) the supreme court could rule that anyone holding dual citizenship is in violation of the constitution when it comes to running for a federally elected public office. If someone is running for office on a state / local level I believe that should be left up to the state, town, city, village, etc. to decide. But as someone who held dual citizenship, I don't see any problem with public officials having to be solely American, in fact I think its quite a good idea.

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