Examining the mindset of Illuminati members

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Examining the mindset of Illuminati members, why were they chosen, why did they accept, or why did they petition for membership?
Possibilities:
1. The most obvious being a desire for power, wanting to be part of the privileged status of the elite. Being in league with the masterminds and “Gods” of the earth.

2. A sense of entitlement born within a narcissistic mind. For some reason they feel they’ve earned the right to be higher up on the food chain than the inch worms of this world, and they get to know things the inch worms don’t; they get to decide what is best for less brilliant minds.

3. The belief in a higher purpose that they feel is served by serving the elite. Or, if they are at the top of the pyramid, if they are of the highest status, they got there and remain there because they feel the puppet strings that link their actions and the political/social happenings in our world are helping them steer the world into a sustainable direction. These people are also likely to have a God complex, because they feel they are allowed to do terrible things for the greater good, thus they are humans who “work in mysterious ways”, which is how many people perceive the influence of God in the world.

4. I imagine many people who are part of the Illuminati are born into their circumstances, while those who are sought out (instead of seeking the society themselves) are chosen because the Illuminati sees the potential in them, sees them as people who can be used to further the Illuminati’s agenda and spread their control. These people are probably pawns who do not understand the weight of their actions or the true intentions of their overlords.

5. Those who are indifferent to the world and are inherently self-destructive. They don’t really care about the outcome of their actions either way, they just see the Illuminati’s actions as an exciting game, and their part in the conspiracy, to them, is just good sport and all in the name of perverse fun.

6. The final mindset, I believe, comes from a person whose actions are purely motivated by terror. Perhaps they stumbled into this group without realizing where the rabbit hole was leading them and they remain loyal to their overlords out of fear.


What do you think? Can we please keep this on topic and discuss the possibilities of what these people are like instead of discussing if they truly exist. There are already plenty of topics on that issue.


[edit on 18-3-2010 by litmuspaper]

7. The "INTELLIGENT EVIL". These are people who've pondered both sides of the coin (good and evil) and have decided to walk a certain path. These people are masters when it comes to wisdom, and by wisdom I don't mean esoteric knowledge, forbidden arts, etc. What I mean by wisdom is the following:

Wisdom is a deep understanding of people, things, events or situations, empowering the ability to choose or act to consistently produce the optimum results with a minimum of time and energy. Wisdom is the ability to optimally (effectively and efficiently) apply perceptions and knowledge and so produce the desired results. Wisdom is comprehension of what is true or right coupled with optimum judgment as to action. Synonyms include: sagacity, discernment, or insight. Wisdom often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions") so that one's principles, reason and knowledge prevail to determine one's actions.

The INTELLIGENT EVIL understand people, things, events, social climates, needs, etc and are able to use such things to their advantage and to achieve the overall goal. They take wisdom, something they fully comprehend, and willfully use it to harm others. Emotions? The INTELLIGENT EVIL is not a sociopath, not narcissistic or anything related to personality (or emotions.) They've made the choice, wilfully, to go down a certain path.

Just wondering, where did you get this information from?

Originally posted by Nventual
Just wondering, where did you get this information from?

Everything in the OP is just speculation written by me and I welcome the speculation of others in this thread. No real "information" is needed.

reply to post by EMPIRE

"INTELLIGENT EVIL".

I really like that term. Great incite, I think you're really onto something there. Though I'm sure there are some who believe they are following the wisdom of intelligent evil while they are really walking a path that leans more toward the sense of entitlement I mentioned.

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are you aware of what the Illuminati actually was? I don't mean the shadow government full of evil elites who attempt to rule you through secrecy, I mean the Bavarian Illuminati of the 1700's.

Originally posted by network dude
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are you aware of what the Illuminati actually was? I don't mean the shadow government full of evil elites who attempt to rule you through secrecy, I mean the Bavarian Illuminati of the 1700's.

Yes and I feel no need to discuss the Bavarian Illuminati or I would have stated Bavarian Illuminati in the thread title instead of just Illuminati. The intentions of the members of the BI were clear cut and have been addressed.

[edit on 18-3-2010 by litmuspaper]

Originally posted by EMPIRE
7. The "INTELLIGENT EVIL". These are people who've pondered both sides of the coin (good and evil) and have decided to walk a certain path. These people are masters when it comes to wisdom, and by wisdom I don't mean esoteric knowledge, forbidden arts, etc. What I mean by wisdom is the following:

Wisdom is a deep understanding of people, things, events or situations, empowering the ability to choose or act to consistently produce the optimum results with a minimum of time and energy. Wisdom is the ability to optimally (effectively and efficiently) apply perceptions and knowledge and so produce the desired results. Wisdom is comprehension of what is true or right coupled with optimum judgment as to action. Synonyms include: sagacity, discernment, or insight. Wisdom often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions") so that one's principles, reason and knowledge prevail to determine one's actions.

The INTELLIGENT EVIL understand people, things, events, social climates, needs, etc and are able to use such things to their advantage and to achieve the overall goal. They take wisdom, something they fully comprehend, and willfully use it to harm others. Emotions? The INTELLIGENT EVIL is not a sociopath, not narcissistic or anything related to personality (or emotions.) They've made the choice, wilfully, to go down a certain path.

8) Boredom

Intelligent people tend to feel bored with every day life, and may join something to entertain themselves, and to find something to do besides sit around all day.

I think intelligent people actually take chance of the opportunities in this world.

Some I believe are not human.

Laugh at me all you want, but the world laughed at Leonardo De Vinci and a host of others that were insightful.

Simply a gut feeling.

Read any of David Icke's books.

This planet is not ruled by humanity and hasn't been for a very long time.


[edit on 19-3-2010 by ofhumandescent]

(9)the nature of duality and sins of the flesh...
They know that people are intelligent animals knowing good and evil! so being masters of manipulation they prey on the nature of are animal instincts and destroy are spiritual being. because they know this knowledge they have a god complex thinking they are above good and evil there just merely concepts they use to control. they arent above it their the epidemy of evil! notice how they always put 2 sides to things to make it look like theres balance...left wing right wing, republic democrat,capitolist socialist, etc...this is duality and they use it for division of humanity preying on the intelligence of good and evil.
10. Born and wired with the mentality
being in a bloodline gives them a feeling of entitlement because they believe this is their destiny. here is the way i look at it though like a woman who wears the turbins or whatever theyre called in the middle east they know if they dont wear it they will be looked down on and persecuted. why because they are wired this way because where they were born...the illuminati kids have no choice because they most likely get somekind of manipulation at a young age and the pawns like most of them you see probably get 10 times that....even if they want nothing to do with it they have no choice because they will die and why die when life feels this good is what they think! and still if they wanted to the masses would just say they want attention or money???? my opinion is that someone has to do the evil or we wouldnt learn in this experience or god wouldve cut the bloodline off without question...the book of job reminds me of how evil can be a learning experience but im not a christian because i think all religons are a manipulation so every one will be wired at birth
11.Manipulation through religion
theres a couple things they do to do that...In all religons they will give you a sense of entitlement, fear of some scary place(hell) to suck you in as a kid,and a promised connection to God! since we are disconnected from God we want this more than anything. I think the true God knows this and theres is truths in all religons and they know good conquers evil so they make it look like the religons are The Ultimate good!
God knows the depths of satan but we dont and were already in hell so i dont think god will persecute us for not knowing what we do. jesus said forgive them father for they know not what they do and probably my favorite bible passage...
Revelation 2:24
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

reply to post by BreakinThEwaLL

11.Manipulation through religion
theres a couple things they do to do that...In all religons they will give you a sense of entitlement, fear of some scary place(hell) to suck you in as a kid,and a promised connection to God! since we are disconnected from God we want this more than anything.

Yeah, I agree, the religious mindset can do a lot of damage, primarily when it comes to the blind faith mentalities that arise from this desire you mention, an all consuming want to be closer to god.



[edit on 18-3-2010 by litmuspaper]

I believe these 'people' think they own the planet and everything/everyone on it.

They see themselves as our keepers, not unlike zookeepers, and see us as livestock, but with a certain type of intelligence (As opposed to other animal species') which is percieved as a potential threat to their position, hence the need to go about their agendas in secret, which also fuels their illusions of superiority (Maybe deep down, they know we are all equal, so they do their level best to convince us otherwise. Only yesterday I heard someone on TV refer to the aristocracy as 'Our betters').

It is their responsibility to maintain the status quo with regard to population control, and play games using us as pawns in their war games, which also serve to reduce numbers, and add an element of competition which they love, as this helps to establish a world pecking order.

They also like to play psychological games, engineering situations and measuring and predicting our responses within the framework of our social conditioning, testing theories and so on.

We are of no real humanitarian value to them, though they get a kick out of convincing us otherwise.

They don't even need to be particularly intelligent, as they can always hire someone who is. Don't forget, we are here for THEIR benefit, and all they have to do is dangle a juicy carrot for us to bite.

Our planet is their playground, and everything on it is their plaything to be used as they see fit, so they like to hunt defenceless animals for 'sport' even though the odds of their coming worse off in these activities are minimal, which just goes to underline the extent of their cowardice, which is also why you will never see them on their own battlefields.

I suspect they created the idea of a messiah so we will keep on waiting for someone to 'save us', thereby neutralising the will of the population to rise up and topple them from their seats of power.

I'm still trying to make sense of it all, and I COULD be completely wrong, but I've worked with too many dodgy supervisors and bosses and seen how such a small amount of power can go to people's heads to think otherwise at the moment.

I could probably go on.

Am I just paranoid, or are they really out to get me?

Or both?

Or neither.
Maybe they do really care about us, and have nothing but our best interests at heart................

reply to post by ofhumandescent


whoever it is makes albert einstein look like a small fry! einsteins brilliance probably did make them say who the hell is this guy and how can we use him for are advantage...it is well known he studied alchemy and other esoteric subjects so who knows?? most likely he was a novelty because he helped speed up the flow of info and this caused are technology to move more rapidly
They didnt want that because they want all the goodies for themselves and they knew it would some day lead to their demise as it is now because the veil is being lifted... the truths will cause are global consciousness to interconnect and create a knew matrix that will be ours!

along with tv, religion is their backbone and the sense of entitlement of "the holy land" god promised or whoever for that matter is the root of division for all of humanity. that and the seperation of languages is probably the seed they planted for division. like the tower of babel i never got why god did this as a kid because it causes so many barriers. then i asked myself if God is loving he would not do this. It even says we will be gods if he doesnt divide us and nothing will be impossible! Most christians will dismiss that as no one else needs to be gods but isnt that what jesus is preaching be like me and you will be gods...if being gods is achievable some other way than why doesnt "god" want us to do it?? it also says we take advantage of are political unity because we work together this just baffles me...

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then you feel as if a new group has surfaced, and you and a small group of ATS members have sniffed them out. Well, excuse me while I dance a jig in your honor. I usually don't act this jaded, but you people are spending time acting as if you really know what's going on, and feeling smug about it, when in fact, you have no idea. Don't think I am on the winning side, I have no idea either. I am here to learn and interpret things to further my knowledge. maybe there is a group who leads the world affairs. I would bet money on the CFR, or the Trilateral Commission long before I resurrected the Illuminati. I guess it just pisses me off to see the name of an organization slandered when it had noble things in mind. A complete reversal of what people think these days. Silly kids spout the name "Illuminati" and they know nothing. They heard it somewhere. And they think they sound smart by repeating it. I challenge you to learn the truth, and then prove to the good people here, who is to blame. Who is at fault. Who the bad guy really is. Sadly, you may find your answer closer than you think. try the bathroom, just above the sink.

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I so wanted to go along with most of my mates and write David Icke of as a nutter, but he was saying most of the things I was secretly thinking myself, so I couldn't.
I honestly don't know if TPTB are extraterrestrial or not, but their behaviour is definitely inhuman, and the behaviours of these lunkheads seems to have parallels with some humans' attitudes towards other species than our own, so if they're a different species than us and higher on the food chain......, who knows?.
Plus, the increasing reports of UFO sightings may have some bearing on this issue, then again, they could be terresrial, then yet again, where did they get the technology from?
Assuming that they've got it by shooting down some extraterrestrial craft, there's a pretty good chance that we've got some allies out there somewhere.

Fingers crossed.

These people are also likely to have a God complex, because they feel they are allowed to do terrible things for the greater good

I highly doubt this- they are allowed to do terrible things because they are greedy and selfish and they can get away with it, they are not doing these things 'for the greater good'.

What 'greater good' is occuring when people are starving, being raped, imprisoned all over the world just so these creatures on the top of the pyramid can drive expensive cars, live in big houses, wine and dine and jet all over the world?

I fail to see the logic in them doing things for the greater good.

reply to post by star in a jar

I highly doubt this- they are allowed to do terrible things because they are greedy and selfish and they can get away with it, they are not doing these things 'for the greater good'.

What 'greater good' is occuring when people are starving, being raped, imprisoned all over the world just so these creatures on the top of the pyramid can drive expensive cars, live in big houses, wine and dine and jet all over the world?

I fail to see the logic in them doing things for the greater good.

I think it's logical, not in the sense that it actually makes sense, but that it could make sense to them. Many figures throughout our history did terrible things in the name of the greater good, who is to say that some among the elite are any different? None of us can know for sure, but I do see your point.

reply to post by network dude

I usually don't act this jaded, but you people are spending time acting as if you really know what's going on, and feeling smug about it, when in fact, you have no idea.

Excuse me but I never claimed this and I dislike it when people do, which I stated in this very thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I stopped reading your reply there because I have no use for dealing with someone who makes broad assumptions based on a speculative post I made in one thread.


Edit to add: I find it interesting that you seem to be so offended by me being speculative about a conspiracy on a conspiracy site. I've received and witnessed this attitude from quite a few people and I assure you if it bothers you so much then keep up with that attitude because people like me won't stick around to deal with it. I thought if there was one place on the internet where the most out there ideas could be welcomed and respectfully discussed it would be ATS, but perhaps I was mistaken during my lurking days and if I'm continuously proven wrong I'll try to find that level of discourse somewhere else.

I'll admit I'm actually glad I've gotten this response from you in this thread and from others in my 9/11 thread because it makes me realize how close minded I have been on occasion, even in a few threads here, and your behavior has made me see why I should correct my own.

Peace be with you.

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