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Topic started on 14-3-2010 @ 07:21 AM by ATS4dummies
All that Big... Bad... Evil... Carbon Dioxide....
coming out of your tail pipe...

can now be used to create.... Fuel!
LINKED HERE

First - Carbon Dioxide is .039 percent of the atmosphere, so if we doubled it tomorrow - it would still be less than 1 percent!

Second, thanks to the article above, we now have a way of converting any carbon dioxide coming out of an engine tail pipe, into more fuel!

If this doesn't shut up Al Gore and the idiot environmental "carbon credit" socialists, nothing will. Because for them it's not really about saving the earth, it's about holding mankind back.


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reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 07:29 AM by Common Good
ok, you have me going from thread, to another thread thathas the actual link, then whenI click the actuallink in the second thread, it takes me toNewsScientist, THEN I have to register to even read it.

EDIT-
NM...
The link works now...
For some reason, it sent me to the "register with news scienist" page the first time, andhe second time, but then I refreshedit for the third time and now the article pops up..
I will let you know my opinion when I am done reading.
(still need to fix the thread situation though)

EDIT- OH I SEE WHAT YOU DID. You started TWO threads, why? So nobody else could hijack the other one?
You are runnin a monopoly on ATS! Ilove it.
Sorry, I will be back with my comments.

EDIT TO ADD-
This has some potential! Im no expert by any means in the science industry, but even a guy like me can see that this has WAY MORE positives then negatives. Actually theres only one negative that I see so far, this part....
" The energy provided by the sunlight transformed the carbon dioxide and water vapour into methane and related organic compounds, such as ethane and propane, at rates as high as 160 microlitres an hour per gram of nanotubes. This is 20 times higher than published results achieved using any previous method, but still too low to be immediately practical."
So it wont be efffective immediately from my understanding because they havent gotten it JUST right yet. There are smarter people than me working on it though; thank God. So it should only be a matter of time.

BEST PART IS....
"If the reaction is halted early the device produces a mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen known as syngas, which can be converted into diesel."

A fuel that swings both ways.

You are Right, the Left will LOVE this!

(Sorry, I had to be the first to say it)



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reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 07:38 AM by rusethorcain
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Why would I do that? I don't want people to think I am stupid.



reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 09:51 AM by babylonstew



reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 01:35 PM by rusethorcain
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What people don't seem to understand is that carbon credits won't really effect most corporations in the US in a very significant way?

They are designed to simply show support and cooperation that the US is on board with a cleanup of the planet. That's all. It is the US putting their 2 cents into a possible solution. Putting their money where their mouth is.

Because we can't say sh_t to India and China and get any cooperation out of them unless we take a first step ourselves.

Because ...if China and India don't curb the insane amount of pollution they are spewing out - one day soon, here in America you will not be able to see your hand in front of your face.

Do you think a parent who smokes is going to have much effect in trying to get their kid to quit? Same thing here. We need to at least appear as if we are doing something ourselves before we can feasibly order the rest of the world to decrease emissions.... before they kill us.


reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 01:59 PM by Trevor McNuggets
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It won't make the CO2 levels lower, but it means you'll be the only person in the market in which you bought your credits who can dump CO2 into the atmosphere.

You might want to read up about carbon credits before poo-pooing them, as clearly there are still some gaps in your understanding


reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 02:06 PM by rusethorcain
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No because with carbon credits you are buying permission to pollute.
The theory being only so much pollution is going to be allowed into the atmosphere.

If you divided that pollution among all corporations equally it would work out. But some corporations pollute much more than others do. The least polluters get to sell "their permission to pollute" to corporations already pushing the limits of what they are allowed to expel into the atmosphere.

This prevents unending escalation of pollution as some companies get larger.
It also gently and painlessly encourages big polluters to cut back whenever, wherever, and however possible.


Otherwise why would these corporations bother? I don't see much of a conscious among them. Not much regard for anything other than "the profits of the present" certainly no concern for the implications and consequences of the future. I mean eventually, nobody will be able to live in Jersey.

This measure is to big corporate polluters what the catalytic converter was to cars.


One word you need to incorporate into your predictions: exponentially. This is how pollution and global warming will catch up to the worst case scenarios faster than you might imagine from all those charts and graphs.







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reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 12:02 PM by ATS4dummies
Originally posted by Trevor McNuggets
reply to
post by ATS4dummies



It won't make the CO2 levels lower, but it means you'll be the only person in the market in which you bought your credits who can dump CO2 into the atmosphere.

You might want to read up about carbon credits before poo-pooing them, as clearly there are still some gaps in your understanding


You have accidentally proved my point. Somebody collects money for carbon credits, while it does nothing to reduce carbon dioxide. In otherwords, it's a SCAM.
Case closed. Thank you.



reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 02:16 PM by rusethorcain
reply to post by ATS4dummies



Are you just refusing to get the facts of this program down?

It will incentive's corporations not to pollute any more than they already are.
And place a CAP on the allowable pollution over all.

This will lower carbon emissions more than if we said, hey capitalist pig spit out whatever you want into the atmosphere as long as it helps your bottom line.


reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 04:27 PM by ATS4dummies
Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to
post by ATS4dummies

It will incentive's corporations not to pollute any more than they already are. And place a CAP on the allowable pollution over all.
This will lower carbon emissions more than if we said, hey capitalist pig spit out whatever you want into the atmosphere as long as it helps your bottom line.


Really? Then who gets to pocket this money? We all breath the same air, and we all pay the increase in production costs when they pass it on to the consumer, so we should all get the money, right? Ehhh well, not really. Somebody will get that money, and it will not be you and I. Who then?


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reply posted on 15-3-2010 @ 08:44 PM by rusethorcain
Originally posted by ATS4dummies
Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to
post by ATS4dummies

It will incentive's corporations not to pollute any more than they already are. And place a CAP on the allowable pollution over all.
This will lower carbon emissions more than if we said, hey capitalist pig spit out whatever you want into the atmosphere as long as it helps your bottom line.


Really? Then who gets to pocket this money? We all breath the same air, and we all pay the increase in production costs when they pass it on to the consumer, so we should all get the money, right? Ehhh well, not really. Somebody will get that money, and it will not be you and I. Who then?


[edit on 15-3-2010 by ATS4dummies]


What money????
They are moving around carbon credits. Credits is not money.
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