Survivor of USS Liberty speaks out on Fox news

A survivor of the attack on the USS Liberty and his son wrote a book covering Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty. John Scott recounts his experience of the day of the attack and makes some startling allegations.

Scott says the US launched fighter jets to defend the Liberty against the Israeli attack but, the planes were called back by President LBJ himself! He didn't want to "embarrass our ally".

He says the reason for the attack may have been Israel feared they would learn of their planned offensive into the Golan Heights for the next morning or they feared the ship was in visual range of a camp where the Israelis were massacring POWs after having the prisoners dig their own graves.






It's good to see this story finally being covered by the MSM.

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Related threads:

Dead in the water The Sinking of the USS Liberty

USS Liberty Story

America cursed by God if we reject Israel " From Rep. Bachmann (Minn)

Alex Jones did a piece on this in his video Terrorstorm. Ya I dont advocate AJ much but there is some good research into what he said there..

Johnson supposedly really wanted that ship to go down.. his quote according to AJ's Terrorstorm was. "I want that god damn ship to go down. Call off the jets."

It is known fact that we start things with people so we can do something else. Gulf of Tonkin incident is just an easy one if you as me to prove my point, it cost 38,000 American lives and over a million Vietnamese, god knows how many who got messed up physically and many many more that were mentally screw. Platoon comes to mind if you know what I mean..

Anyway at least its coming out now, I hope we don't have to wait this long for 9/11 to come out like this.

they feared the ship was in visual range of a camp where the Israelis were massacring POWs after having the prisoners dig their own graves.

WHOA, that would be a huge bombshell if proven to be true.

Ray McGovern mentioned two possible reasons which could be Israels motivation for the attack:

1. The taking of the Golan Heights.
2. The massacre of Egyptian POWs at El Arish.
www.ussliberty.org...

There is a third possible reason. Perhaps the sociopathic crook Lyndon B. Johnson had made a backdoor deal with the Israelis and wanted the ship to sink. Without survivors the incident could have been blamed on the Egyptians. This unprovoked attack could have been explotied as reason for the United States to enter the war. Here is the Alex Jones video ThichHeaded has mentioned earlier. Jones believes a backdoor deal is the reason for a false flag attack.



Here is a fine video which shows how people with dubious loyalities have brought the US to enter a war, which is against the interest of the United States.

Former Israeli officials in the U.S. government

Further note, that many of the people mentioned in the video of Dahlia Wasfi are also members of PNAC.

Sources PNAC:
Link 1 good short overview
home.earthlink.net...

Link 2 People involved in PNAC
www.nndb.com...

Link 3 PNAC sourcewatch
www.sourcewatch.org...

Link 4 Rebuilding American Defences (original document 90 pages)
www.webcitation.org...

Short video about PNAC

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[edit on 10-3-2010 by Drunkenshrew]

Originally posted by tooo many pills

they feared the ship was in visual range of a camp where the Israelis were massacring POWs after having the prisoners dig their own graves.

WHOA, that would be a huge bombshell if proven to be true.

It has been proven to be true. There has been an outcry, but only in the Arab world.
www.time.com...

Further links, which provide information about this war crime can be found in this article:
www.ussliberty.org...

Originally posted by tooo many pills

they feared the ship was in visual range of a camp where the Israelis were massacring POWs after having the prisoners dig their own graves.

WHOA, that would be a huge bombshell if proven to be true.

Since they attacked the USS Liberty, there's no good proof of the incident but, the story pops up again from time to time.

Storm brewing between Israel and Egypt over POWs

JERUSALEM: A diplomatic row threatened to erupt between Israel and Egypt on Monday over claims that an Israeli unit had killed Egyptian prisoners of war during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

The claims, aired in a public television documentary in Israel, have been vehemently denied by the unit commander Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, now national infrastructure minister.

But they have raised a storm of controversy in Egypt, where the affair has dominated the front pages for two days, sparked an angry debate in parliament, and led the foreign ministry to summon the Israeli ambassador in Cairo.

"A Massacre" thundered Egypt's mass-selling state-owned Al-Ahram newspaper.

Read more: Daily News Egypt

Of course CAMERA reports that the incident is "thoroughly debunked":

False Israeli "Massacre" Story Resurrected

Did Israeli forces massacre hundreds of Egyptian POW's during the Six Day War? According to Israeli press reports a new documentary, "Ruah Shaked," broadcast on Israel's Channel 1 alleges that such a massacre did take place, and attributes the killings to the elite Shaked reconaissance unit, then led by Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, the Labor MK and retired General who heads the National Infrastructures Ministry (for details see Egypt wants probe into 'IDF massacre'.)

But this particular massacre charge was first reported – and then thoroughly debunked – more than 10 years ago.

Read more: CAMERA

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It is good to see that more attention is being brought to the massacre of the USS Liberty. Now, if it was an act of mistaken identity or a provocative attack by the Israeli government we may never know the full story. By now most of the senior government and military officials on both sides are probably dead and most of the records lost with the passage of time.

However, according to the testimony given by the formal naval officer and the conditions of the day, being clear, calm, and sunny; it stands to reason the ship was identifiable to the Israeli Navy? Here is the views of then Secretary of State Dean Rusk, two days after the attack and sometime after.

A communication to the Israeli Ambassador on June 10, by Secretary Rusk stated, among other things: “At the time of the attack, the USS Liberty was flying the American flag and its identification was clearly indicated in large white letters and numerals on its hull. … Experience demonstrates that both the flag and the identification number of the vessel were readily visible from the air…. Accordingly, there is every reason to believe that that the USS Liberty was identified, or at least her nationality determined, by Israeli aircraft approximately one hour before the attack. … The subsequent attack by the torpedo boats, substantially after the vessel was or should have been identified by Israeli military forces, manifests the same reckless disregard for human life.”

en.wikipedia.org...

Moreover, I am pretty sure there must have been radio contact between the US Navy ship and Israeli assets in the region? Morris Code perhaps, to maintain radio silence and the covert nature of the ship's mission? Identification could have been established through those means. The whole incident is rather hazy, and still it remains as elusive today as it was in the sixties. This is what the Navy had to say about the incident at the conclusion of their investigation.

The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry record contains indepth testimony by a limited number of Liberty crew members and subject matter experts; exhibits of attack damage photographs, various messages and memorandums; and findings of fact. As to culpability, "It was not the responsibility of the court to rule on the culpability of the attackers, and no evidence was heard from the attacking nation", the court concluded that "available evidence combines to indicate..(that the attack was) a case of mistaken identity." Additionally, the Court found that "heroism displayed by the Commanding Officer, officers and men of the Liberty was exceptional."

The Joint Chief of Staff's Report contains findings of fact related only to communication system failures associated with the Liberty attack. It was not concerned with matters of culpability, nor does it contain statements thereof.

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is the general run-down of what happened after the attack up until now.

Both the Israeli and US governments conducted inquiries into the incident, and issued reports, which concluded that the attack was a mistake, due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty. Some US diplomats, veterans and intelligence officials who were involved in the incident continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake, and it remains the only major maritime incident in US history not investigated by the US Congress.[2]

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the US claim of $7,644,146 for material damage to the Liberty itself.[3]

On December 17, 1987, the issue was officially closed by the two governments through an exchange of diplomatic notes.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Israeli response is equitable given the horrendous nature of the attack and the loss of life. If it was a provocative act or an accident, only the US government and Israeli governments no the answer to that. We must remember the Cold War was going on with US and Soviet Union on shaky ground, and Israel was in a bitter battle with its Arab neighbors during the Six Day War. As of 2003, a former Navy admiral and Joint Chief conducted another inquiry on the matter and here is what they concluded in contrast to the official government explanation.

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a critic of the official United States Government version of events, chaired a non-governmental investigation into the attack on the USS Liberty in 2003. The committee, which included former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia James E. Akins, held Israel to be culpable and suggested several theories for Israel's possible motives, including the desire to blame Egypt and bring the US into the Six Day War.

en.wikipedia.org...

I, like any, would like to have a definitive explanation about what happened and why such a vicious attack by a trusted ally in Israel. There seems to be dirty pool being played between both the Israeli government and US government at the time? I have my doubts about what officially happened as many do. It reeks of similarities of another hazy affair that took place around the same time in the "Gulf of Tonkin Incident." Fair winds and following seas to the sailors who lost their lives as a result of this mystery.

Here is a video from the 42 year anniversary.





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Welcome to the new era of popular conspiracy books.
Publishers are increasingly concerned with controversial subject matters.

WWII is constantly getting revisionism. At least one book on Pearl Harbour being a false flag. And endless "Who shot JFK" books which give conflicting answers based on 'solid' testimony. A few have written on how they were the ones who puled he trigger.

At least two old timers from the American military, one Jesse Marcel with his son, recounting how Roswell was a cover-up, conflicting with his initial testimony. A Col Philip Corso who claims he saw aliens at a military base.

All easily disproven bunk.

The US did a thorough investigation of the USS Liberty incident and concluded it was an accident. Many thousands of US military personnel have been killed in 'friendly fire' This is not a unique situation.

The son of an ensign trying to capitalize on the conspiracy market is not unusual. One would think the US military itself would have addressed the problem if it were there. They're the ones that ost personne. They've had over 40 years.

Originally posted by mmiichael

Welcome to the new era of popular conspiracy books.
Publishers are increasingly concerned with controversial subject matters.

WWII is constantly getting revisionism. At least one book on Pearl Harbour being a false flag. And endless "Who shot JFK" books which give conflicting answers based on 'solid' testimony. A few have written on how they were the ones who puled he trigger.

At least two old timers from the American military, one Jesse Marcel with his son, recounting how Roswell was a cover-up, conflicting with his initial testimony. A Col Philip Corso who claims he saw aliens at a military base.

All easily disproven bunk.

The US did a thorough investigation of the USS Liberty incident and concluded it was an accident. Many thousands of US military personnel have been killed in 'friendly fire' This is not a unique situation.

The son of an ensign trying to capitalize on the conspiracy market is not unusual. One would think the US military itself would have addressed the problem if it were there. They're the ones that ost personne. They've had over 40 years.

Hmm, So when the Israeli GUNBOATS came close enough to MACHINE GUN

the men in LIFE BOATS , they didn't NOTICE the USS LIBERTY on the side of

the Boat???????

When they did FLYOVER'S BEFORE the attack , at so LOW atlitude , they

didn't NOTICE the US 5 x 8 FLAG ????????

You can be the OFFICIAL ISRAELI LACKEY if you want to, But don't try

to Gloss Over this Deliberate Attempt to Lure the US in an attack on

Egypt.

Since this is a conspiracy site, I like also to throw in a wild theory. A theory, which links the USS Liberty to another conspiracy in US politics. The JFK assassination. One seldom followed track in the Kennedy assassination is the motivation of Israeli powerplayers. Israeli leaders were determined to get their hands on atomic weapons. Kennedy was an obstacle on the way to the Israelian atomic bomb. He was also an obstacle for the ambitious Lyndon B. Johnson, who felt belittled by the charming easygoing JFK. Both Mossad and Johnson were never above murder to achieve their ambitions.

Tragically, Kennedy's ideas never came to fruition, and his heated battle with Prime Minister Ben-Gurion over whether Israel should be allowed to develop a nuclear program was ultimately lost. The reason why is that Lyndon Baines Johnson, who Kennedy intended to drop from his ticket in 1964 due to his extreme dislike for, had a complete reversal in foreign policy. As you will see, not only did Israel's nuclear program move ahead unchecked; they also became the primary beneficiary of our foreign aid.

But this absolute turnaround would not have occurred if Kennedy would not have been assassinated. Up until LBJ became president, Kennedy dealt with the Middle East in a way that most benefited the U.S. His primary goal - and one which would most keep the peace - was a balance of power in the Middle East so that each and every nation would be secure. This decision adhered to the Tripartite Declaration which the U.S. signed in 1950. But under the Johnson administration, this fragile balance was overturned, and by 1967 - only four years after Kennedy's assassination - the U.S. was Israel's main weapons supplier, and OUR best interests were put well behind those of Israel!

www.john-f-kennedy.net...

One possibility, also quite unlikely is that Israel and LBJ (who blocked a real investigation in both the JFK assassination and the attack of the USS Liberty) were co-conspirators in the Kennedy assassination. Perhaps Israel was not involved in the assassination, but had knowledge who was the real perpetrator. After all, Israel has a history of spying on her US ally.
whatreallyhappened.com...

Blackmail could explain why LBJ traitorously recalled military support for the attacked USS Liberty. Blackmail, mutual or one-sided, could also explain, why after the death of JFK US foreign policy changed drastically. It has been pro-Israel ever since. Zionists, often persons who possess dual citizenship and have served in the IDF, play an important role in US politics. The Israelian lobby wields huge influence in US politics and media up to today.

Originally posted by Drunkenshrew
Since this is a conspiracy site, I like also to throw in a wild theory. A theory, which links the USS Liberty to another conspiracy in US politics. The JFK assassination. One seldom followed track in the Kennedy assassination is the motivation of Israeli powerplayers. Israeli leaders were determined to get their hands on atomic weapons. Kennedy was an obstacle on the way to the Israelian atomic bomb. He was also an obstacle for the ambitious Lyndon B. Johnson, who felt belittled by the charming easygoing JFK. Both Mossad and Johnson were never above murder to achieve their ambitions.

France was Israel's sponsor supporter in the 60s. They shared their atomic knowhow.

There was no benefit from Kennedy's death.

Somewhere there is a flaky site or video claiming Mossad did everything.

Why Kennedy was done in complex.

The bunged attempt to off Castro, going after the Mob who put him in (Nixon technically won), dissolving the Fed, many enemies he made. Not a very good Pres. Almost started WWIII.

Whatever the original motive, the world now knows the truth.

The Israeli military DELIBERATELY attacked a US warship, and the US president refused to take any action, and tried to cover the whole thing up.

And what about the dancing Israeli news camera team that were specifically sent out from Israel to film the 9/11 attack while it happened ?

The survivors were silenced by a gag order. This order also extended to the military personal conducting the investigation. Here is an excerpt from the testimony of Ward Boston Jr:

...The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as “murderous bastards.” It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.

I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors, who had ordered the attack, were well aware that the ship was American...

...I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of “mistaken identity” despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Admiral Kidd told me, after returning from Washington, D.C. that he had been ordered to sit down with two civilians from either the White House or the Defense Department, and rewrite portions of the court’s findings.

Admiral Kidd also told me that he had been ordered to “put the lid” on everything having to do with the attack on USS Liberty. We were never to speak of it and we were to caution everyone else involved that they could never speak of it again.

www.ifamericansknew.org...

And people wonder why I'm not a fanboy of Israel. This and selling the Chinese or the other highest bidders our Military tech,

Originally posted by mmiichael


Why Kennedy was done in complex.

The bunged attempt to off Castro, going after the Mob who put him in (Nixon technically won), dissolving the Fed, many enemies he made. Not a very good Pres. Almost started WWIII.

Wow, your a peach.

You post here everyday , praising Israel and how Iran Must be Destroyed

for their Nuclear Aims. Yet you talk Crap about Kennedy because he took a

Stand about Nuclear Missles in Cuba.

Then you say He was NOT a very Good Pres ??????????

The US took a turn for the worse Nov 22/63 , and has been spiraling

downward since.

Originally posted by Sean48

Wow, your a peach.

You post here everyday , praising Israel and how Iran Must be Destroyed

for their Nuclear Aims. Yet you talk Crap about Kennedy because he took a

Stand about Nuclear Missles in Cuba.

Then you say He was NOT a very Good Pres ??????????

The US took a turn for the worse Nov 22/63 , and has been spiraling

downward since.

They reading a bit more deeply instead of applying blanket dismissals statements to everything you don't want to accept.

I want what the Iranian people and the rest of the world want, an Iran not run by the Republican Guard hungry to take control of the Middle East. Israel is just their way a fanning the flames to engage the Sunni hegemony in the region. Iran likes to watch others fight.

Kennedy I only repeat what every analyst has had to conclude - bad diplomat. Don't now who he pissed off to the point they wanted to take him out, but he escalated rather than defused the Cuban situation.

They saw Castro at the time as a brief aberration rather than representing the future. A disastrously bad reading.

As for the US falling apart since Kennedy - well I don't think the post war period and 50s were exactly wonderful. The anti-communist thing removed from the frontline some of the best people in the country. Kennedy was charismatic and liberal and it's too bad he died so soon. But he made a lot of bad calls. Read a comprehensive biography not internet factoids.

btw I put in a good word for Israel on this board as an effort to counter the malicious fictions that are spread in every other post here.

Mossad did in JFK. Some people actually take this garbage seriously.

Originally posted by mmiichael

btw I put in a good word for Israel on this board as an effort to counter the malicious fictions that are spread in every other post here.

Mossad did in JFK. Some people actually take this garbage seriously.

Well, the Mossad may not have been involved in the Kennedy assassination, but Israel is certainly a country which has more than a fair share of spies on American soil. Spies who sometimes have infiltrated even high levels of the government. Do you doubt, that the Israeli lobby wields a huge influence in Washington? Hell, in 1992 David Steiner, the head of AIPAC even had to resign after he was caught on tape boasting about his influence with president-elect Bill Clinton and Bush's chief of staff James Baker. And is the idea of blackmail by a foreign government really that ridiculous?
whatreallyhappened.com...

I would like to ask you two questions:

1. Can you find a sound reason why LBJ has called back the air support?

2. If you believe that LBJ was neither in cahoots with Israel nor blackmailed, why has he stonewalled the USS Libery investigation?

Originally posted by Drunkenshrew

Well, the Mossad may not have been involved in the Kennedy assassination, but Israel is certainly a country which has more than a fair share of spies on American soil. Spies who sometimes have infiltrated even high levels of the government. Do you doubt, that the Israeli lobby wields a huge influence in Washington? Hell, in 1992 David Steiner, the head of AIPAC even had to resign after he was caught on tape boasting about his influence with president-elect Bill Clinton and Bush's chief of staff James Baker. And is the idea of blackmail by a foreign government really that ridiculous?

I would like to ask you two questions:

1. Can you find a sound reason why LBJ has called back the air support?

2. If you believe that LBJ was neither in cahoots with Israel nor blackmailed, why has he stonewalled the USS Libery investigation?

I get the impression you know nothing about 20th Century American history beyond the repeated conspiracy mantras.

There are spies from every major country in the US, just as the US has spies everywhere. Russia and China are the most insidious. Spies from supposedly allied countries like Turkey have been caught.

Far and away the most powerful US lobby group is Saudi Arabia, which has dictated Middle East foreign policy for the past 4 decades.

Israel was a developing country in the 60 and 70s with closer ties to France and Britain than the US. The US even opposed the creation of Israel and the Russians were their first sponsors. Mossad only went international after Palestinian terrorists murdered a dozen members of the Israeli team at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

It is not even conceivable Israel had any input to the JFK assassination. The ultra-Right wing White Supremacists invented this one.

For one thing there was nothing to be gained. Serious investigators like Jim Garrison, who actually went to court with his charges, have never mentioned Israel even as a remote possibility.

If you are interested in this period I recommend reading books by people who were there and have done primary research and not depend on lunatic ravings found on agenda-driven conspiracy websites and Youtube.



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Why didn't America punish Israel?

How low do you have to go to let somebody attack you.